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Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

Was invading Iraq and going to war in Iraq, was it the right choice?


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The health and welfare of billions of people depends on the free flow of oil. Saddam Hussain sought to get control of roughly half the worlds oil, and threatened to withhold supplies unless his various terms and conditions were met. Throw in his documented effort to become a world power through weapons of mass destruction, and the guy became a real problem. Play nice, or get squashed like a bug under a big stick. Saddam became a bug. Well, a bug at the end of a rope.

So, the true immoral people are those who would have let him do that, so that hundreds of millions of people would have been put in harms way, and made to suffer.

Why is it that so many supported such an evil person?

he was pretty well contained in his box prior to the invasion I don't think any of those fears were realistic, especially after the decimating of his military during the Gulf War.
 
And the defense of 'others'.

Honestly, though, don't you think that's a stupid question?

The defense of US citizens is up to the US government. The defense of the rest of the world is up their governments and the National Security Council.
 
The defense of US citizens is up to the US government.

No, defense is a personal responsibility whether we like that or not.

The defense of the rest of the world is up their governments and the National Security Council.

See above.


Seriously, dude, I'm not gonna entertain this "do you believe in self defense" crap nor ~"it's the government's responsibility to make you safe" crap either. I don't know what has possesed me to bother with such elementary school nonsense. Don't let anyone say I didn't try.


I'll consider myself dismissed.
 
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No, defense is a personal responsibility whether we like that or not.



See above.


Seriously, dude, I'm not gonna entertain this "do you believe in self defense" crap nor ~"it's the government's responsibility to make you safe" crap either. I don't know what has possesed me to bother with such elementary school nonsense. Don't let anyone say I didn't try.


I'll consider myself dismissed.


So you prefer Switzerland's system of national defense by mandatory citizens militia?
 
So you prefer Switzerland's system of national defense by mandatory citizens militia?


I do...but that's an entirely different thread.
 
So you prefer Switzerland's system of national defense by mandatory citizens militia?


Switzerland is interesting. Switzerland maintains "neutrality" so its' banks can do business with both side during wars. Its' neutrality is not a humanitarian endeavor. Basel, Switzerland is home of the "Reserve Bank of Reserve Banks." That would be BIS. Bank of International Settlements. Some very old money.
 
he was pretty well contained in his box prior to the invasion I don't think any of those fears were realistic, especially after the decimating of his military during the Gulf War.

You know what I would suggest? Try reading the actual IAEA reports submitted to the United Nations for the years leading up to Iraq kicking inspectors out in 1999. Read their own words, and then lets have a discussion about "pretty well contained in his box".

History is carved in stone, not subject to opinion and spin.

Here is one of them. You could Google the dozens of others, if you wanted the truth.

IAEA Report 10-8-98
 
I do...but that's an entirely different thread.

There would certainly be less wars for hegemony wouldn't there? I can't think of a single war for hegemony that Switzerland has fought, can you?
 
Its' neutrality is not a humanitarian endeavor.

unless you're Swiss...remember that they used to be the Alabama Crimson Tide of war running up to the French Revolution. I think they also just got sick of seeing their country devastated and their young people dying for bad reasons.
 
There would certainly be less wars for hegemony wouldn't there? I can't think of a single war for hegemony that Switzerland has fought, can you?


not since the invention of the ski-lift anyways.
 
You know what I would suggest? Try reading the actual IAEA reports submitted to the United Nations for the years leading up to Iraq kicking inspectors out in 1999. Read their own words, and then lets have a discussion about "pretty well contained in his box".

History is carved in stone, not subject to opinion and spin.

Here is one of them. You could Google the dozens of others, if you wanted the truth.

IAEA Report 10-8-98

(shrug) personally I think the embargo and inspections were unnecessary...his army was in ruins following 11 years of war...his country deeply divided and barely held together..his economy a shambles...the entire region hated his guts. He was weak and isolated.

Best course of action, probably invest in covert action among the Kurds and Shia to keep the regime unstable, keep the no-fly zone intact, and work with the more stable son on (eventually) restoring normal relations.
 
(shrug) personally I think the embargo and inspections were unnecessary...his army was in ruins following 11 years of war...his country deeply divided and barely held together..his economy a shambles...the entire region hated his guts. He was weak and isolated.

Best course of action, probably invest in covert action among the Kurds and Shia to keep the regime unstable, keep the no-fly zone intact, and work with the more stable son on (eventually) restoring normal relations.


Well, according to the United Nations, it didn't appear Saddam was intent on letting that happen. The possibility of millions of people dying a violent death can be a great motivator.
 
Well, according to the United Nations, it didn't appear Saddam was intent on letting that happen. The possibility of millions of people dying a violent death can be a great motivator.


And the possibility that USA Corporations might not get all that OIL can't go unstated. Bottom line.
 
Well, according to the United Nations, it didn't appear Saddam was intent on letting that happen. The possibility of millions of people dying a violent death can be a great motivator.

it should be a motivator only if it's realistic. Saddam may have wanted the sun and stars, but much like Kim Jong Un's desire to own the New York Yankees, it's probably never going to happen.
 
Well, according to the United Nations, it didn't appear Saddam was intent on letting that happen. The possibility of millions of people dying a violent death can be a great motivator.

Are you talking about the same UN that decided Iraq's technical violations did not merit invasion and occupation? That UN?
 
Are you talking about the same UN that decided Iraq's technical violations did not merit invasion and occupation? That UN?

You love to project and blend your opinion and ideology into what you believe to be a fact don't you?

I've posted the links. If you care to comment on what the IAEA inspectors reported to the United Nations, please do so.

If you don't, it seems to me to be a bit of a waste of time to debate what is clearly fantasy and opinion.
 
You love to project and blend your opinion and ideology into what you believe to be a fact don't you?

I've posted the links. If you care to comment on what the IAEA inspectors reported to the United Nations, please do so.

If you don't, it seems to me to be a bit of a waste of time to debate what is clearly fantasy and opinion.



What you don't seem to be able to accept is that the UN did not believe the technical violations merited attack on Iraq.

This is what the head of the inspection team stated that had made 700 inspections of Iraq prior to our attack there:

"On February 11 -- less than five weeks before the invasion -- I told U.S. national security adviser Condoleezza Rice I wasn't terribly impressed by the intelligence we had received from the U.S., and that there had been no weapons of mass destruction at any of the sites we had been recommended by American forces. Her response was that it was Iraq, and not the intelligence, that was on trial.

ARWA DAMON: Iraq suffocates in cloak of sorrow

And during a telephone chat with Tony Blair on February 20, I told the British prime minister that it would be paradoxical and absurd if a quarter of a million troops were to invade Iraq and find very little in the way of weapons. He responded by telling me intelligence was clear that Saddam had reconstituted his weapons of mass destruction program.

At any rate, whatever view one took of the evidence of weapons, no one could believe in 2003 that prostrate Iraq was a threat to any other state."

Why invading Iraq was a terrible mistake - CNN.com
 
What you don't seem to be able to accept is that the UN did not believe the technical violations merited attack on Iraq.

This is what the head of the inspection team stated that had made 700 inspections of Iraq prior to our attack there:

"On February 11 -- less than five weeks before the invasion -- I told U.S. national security adviser Condoleezza Rice I wasn't terribly impressed by the intelligence we had received from the U.S., and that there had been no weapons of mass destruction at any of the sites we had been recommended by American forces. Her response was that it was Iraq, and not the intelligence, that was on trial.

ARWA DAMON: Iraq suffocates in cloak of sorrow

And during a telephone chat with Tony Blair on February 20, I told the British prime minister that it would be paradoxical and absurd if a quarter of a million troops were to invade Iraq and find very little in the way of weapons. He responded by telling me intelligence was clear that Saddam had reconstituted his weapons of mass destruction program.

At any rate, whatever view one took of the evidence of weapons, no one could believe in 2003 that prostrate Iraq was a threat to any other state."

Why invading Iraq was a terrible mistake - CNN.com


:lol:

What you don't seem to be able to do is read the reports submitted by the inspectors themselves to the UN. I provided the links.

Hey, so be it, official reports submitted to the United Nations, or one guys opinion.

I appreciate how hammered closed your mind is, so what your trying to prove, I don't know.
 
the facts mostly show that Saddam was non-cooperative, not that he possessed nor was close to possessing nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons.

No, that's not what they showed.

For example:

S/1998/694, Letter of GS to the President


7. As has been previously recorded, some uncertainty is inevitable in any country-wide technical verification process that aims to prove the absence of readily concealable objects, such as components of centrifuge machines or copies of weapon-related documentation, or activities such as small-scale enrichment or weaponization experimentation or computer-based studies. Thus, although IAEA has assembled a technically coherent picture of Iraq's clandestine nuclear programme, there is an inherent uncertainty in the completeness of that picture deriving from the possible existence of duplicate facilities or the possible existence of anomalous activities or facilities outside the technically coherent picture. This inherent uncertainty is compounded by Iraq's lack of full transparency in the provision of information, which has resulted in added uncertainties regarding the extent of external assistance to Iraq's clandestine nuclear programme and Iraq's achievements in some aspects of its clandestine nuclear programme, owing to the absence of related programme documentation.
 
No, that's not what they showed.

For example:

S/1998/694, Letter of GS to the President


7. As has been previously recorded, some uncertainty is inevitable in any country-wide technical verification process that aims to prove the absence of readily concealable objects, such as components of centrifuge machines or copies of weapon-related documentation, or activities such as small-scale enrichment or weaponization experimentation or computer-based studies. Thus, although IAEA has assembled a technically coherent picture of Iraq's clandestine nuclear programme, there is an inherent uncertainty in the completeness of that picture deriving from the possible existence of duplicate facilities or the possible existence of anomalous activities or facilities outside the technically coherent picture. This inherent uncertainty is compounded by Iraq's lack of full transparency in the provision of information, which has resulted in added uncertainties regarding the extent of external assistance to Iraq's clandestine nuclear programme and Iraq's achievements in some aspects of its clandestine nuclear programme, owing to the absence of related programme documentation.

they don't seem too sure do they?
 
:lol:

What you don't seem to be able to do is read the reports submitted by the inspectors themselves to the UN. I provided the links.

Hey, so be it, official reports submitted to the United Nations, or one guys opinion.

I appreciate how hammered closed your mind is, so what your trying to prove, I don't know.


I'll go with head of the inspection team and the UN decision that their technical violations did not merit attack on Iraq. You act like my opinion is not shared by most of the world. When you have to start claiming most of the world is wrong and you are right, it would behoove you to reexamine your position.
 
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