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Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

Was invading Iraq and going to war in Iraq, was it the right choice?

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Navy Pride said:

This is not a yes or no answer......When we invaded Iraq everyone thought that had WMD and the Senate almost voted unanimously to approve the invasion that included a bunch of Liberals...Now people like you are playing Monday Morning QB criticizing the decision.

There have been some good things that came out of the invasion:

1. We don't have to ever worry about WMD

2. Saddam won't be killing his own people anymore

3. Saddam and his sons won't be raping and murdering teenage girls again.

4. there is a Government although a shaky one........At least we gave them a chance...What they do is up to them now.

I mourn the loss of every GI that was killed there.

I could go on and on.
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Not everyone. The UN never bought nor the UN inspector. And despite some heavy arm twisting and mild intimidation Dubya never convinced Canada there was any threat.
 
The story was bought "tooth and nail" by those persons influenced by the USA Mass Media. Gee, probably just a coincidence. I wonder if NP has been keeping in touch with his Mass Media. Absolutely!
 
Probably not in the end. I would have preferred we actually got an oil deal out of it. That being said, containment was not going to last as a viable policy for much longer. Not many people on any side were in favor of what it was doing or not doing.
 
Absolutely if you apply the same principles as were applied with Hitler and Germany
 
Navy Pride said:

This is not a yes or no answer......When we invaded Iraq everyone thought that had WMD and the Senate almost voted unanimously to approve the invasion that included a bunch of Liberals...Now people like you are playing Monday Morning QB criticizing the decision.

There have been some good things that came out of the invasion:

1. We don't have to ever worry about WMD

2. Saddam won't be killing his own people anymore

3. Saddam and his sons won't be raping and murdering teenage girls again.

4. there is a Government although a shaky one........At least we gave them a chance...What they do is up to them now.

I mourn the loss of every GI that was killed there.

I could go on and on.
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.... all very nice, but not at the price: over $2T.

We are all trying to figure out how to cut hundreds of billions out of our deficit but we let $2T pass as an acceptable cost for getting rid of a two-bit dictator? I may cross reference those that voted "yes" this was worth it with those that feign outrage over today's debt and deficit. I think the two positions are almost irreconcilable.
 
It depends on what you're referring to.

Was it painful to the United States, having lost thousands upon thousands of brave soldiers? Was it premised on a falsehood? Did it hurt our economy, definitely leading up to the recession? Did civilians die? Did turmoil threaten the new Iraq? Yes. If we look at those things alone, then invading Iraq was the wrong choice.

But if we look at the bigger picture, this may not be so. One of the most brutal despots in history was deposed and punished. Nobody should need to be told what kind of a person Saddam Hussein was. He gassed whole towns that were under his rule, leaving women and children dead in the empty streets, women and children that he had a duty to protect as their ruler, but instead cruelly murdered them to protect his own power. He would invade countries in order to avoid paying off his debt. He was a fascist under the banner of Baathism - Arab fascism. He had no issue violating international laws. He probably did not have WMDs, but he sure as hellfire wanted them, and would have no qualms about using them on a civilian population. Did he originally have support from the US? Yes, but that was under the notoriously unethical Reagan administration, which also funded fascists in Nicaragua.

But now he's gone. There is one less dictatorship in the world, and one more democracy. The Kurds in Iraq no longer have to fear for their lives at the hands of their own government. Those American soldiers did not die in vain. We did not establish economic rule over oil in Iraq, which leads me to believe there could have been another issue at hand, but Bush could have discarded the idea in the middle of the invasion. Now a whole nation has been liberated and its people able to control their own destiny. Sacrifices had to be made, but the fruits of those sacrifices still have yet to be seen. Our duty now is to give the Iraqi people a fair chance at self-government, and watch to make sure Iran doesn't stick its hand and destroy everything that Americans fought for.
 
Navy Pride said:
Boy you are really into cliches today........Don't you have any thoughts of your own?

I personally think its way to early to judge the Iraq war..............Time will tell...........Since I am neither a Republican or a Democrat it does not matter who is in office.......Whether its JFK A Democrat or GWB a Republican my left wing friend whom I voted for..........I would love to se a Conservative Independeent as Prez.
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We both know thats bull**** NP. If Obama was in office and we found out that he went to war on faulty presidents we both know you would be the first to speak out against it.
 
DaveFagan said:
The story was bought "tooth and nail" by those persons influenced by the USA Mass Media. Gee, probably just a coincidence. I wonder if NP has been keeping in touch with his Mass Media. Absolutely!
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Lets just say I take the media with a grain of salt my left wing friend.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
We both know thats bull**** NP. If Obama was in office and we found out that he went to war on faulty presidents we both know you would be the first to speak out against it.
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Faulty presidents????:confused:
 
upsideguy said:
.... all very nice, but not at the price: over $2T.

We are all trying to figure out how to cut hundreds of billions out of our deficit but we let $2T pass as an acceptable cost for getting rid of a two-bit dictator? I may cross reference those that voted "yes" this was worth it with those that feign outrage over today's debt and deficit. I think the two positions are almost irreconcilable.
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Wars cost money my left wing friend..........all Obama has to do is print more...........I got mine in gold and silver.......
 
Navy Pride said:

Wars cost money my left wing friend..........all Obama has to do is print more...........I got mine in gold and silver.......
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No question wars cost money. They cost a LOT of money. My point is that people that believe our deficits are a major problem should not be advocates for wars. My hunch is that there are far too many that fall into this trap of hypocrisy.
 
upsideguy said:
No question wars cost money. They cost a LOT of money. My point is that people that believe our deficits are a major problem should not be advocates for wars. My hunch is that there are far too many that fall into this trap of hypocrisy.
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When someone kills 3,000 Americans you have to punish them.....
 
Navy Pride said:
When someone kills 3,000 Americans you have to punish them.....
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Sorry? Iraqis only killed 3000 Americans AFTER we went to war. Had we never gone to war, those Americans would be alive today.......

.......unless..... no,..... you aren't suggesting...... you couldn't be..... you aren't suggesting that Iraq was somehow behind 9/11?..... I hope???
 
Navy Pride said:
2. I will draw you a picture now pay attention..........Sadly people die in war and its tragic but when you stack it up against Nam it was the safest war we have every fought...........I know your to young for it but at the height of Nam we lost more men in 1 month then we did in Iraq in 10 years.......
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The death rate for US soldiers during the Iraq war is about the same as if they were not at war.

Hey Democrats....compare that to June 6, 1944.
 
Muhammed said:
The death rate for US soldiers during the Iraq war is about the same as if they were not at war.

Hey Democrats....compare that to June 6, 1944.
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Most people don't equate the war against NAZI Germany who were invading other countries to the war on the Iraqis who did not have the capacity to invade other countries after the first Gulf war and the 10 years of sanctions we enforced.
 
No, because the Iraq war was way too partisan, and Bush spent all the goodwill the Republican Party had. One could argue that the Iraq war lead, in a retaliatory and reactionary vote of displeasure with Bush, directly to the election of Barack Obama.

Likewise, I see the partisan policies of Obama leading us to the election of another extremist, perhaps the Jeb Bush.

The country would have been better off had John Kerry won after the first W Bush term. Then we would have followed with. John McCain type, and the country would be much less divided today.
 
Perotista said:
Our Ambassador Glaspie who basically told Saddam the U.S. would take no action if he invaded Kuwait. Here is what she said, "We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait.
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That statement is untrue. It's just another lie that Democrats in the USA and various other Saddam apologists repeat ad nauseum in hopes that dupes will believe it.
 
Muhammed said:
That statement is untrue. It's just another lie that Democrats in the USA and various other Saddam apologists repeat ad nauseum in hopes that dupes will believe it.
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That quote was taken from a transcript of a cable released by the G.H.W. Bush Library. Say and believe what you wish, but it came from published material by Bush Sr. himself.
 
Perotista said:
That quote was taken from a transcript of a cable released by the G.H.W. Bush Library. Say and believe what you wish, but it came from published material by Bush Sr. himself.
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And now, after being caught repeating an untrue statement, you follow it up with another untrue statement.
 
Rocketman said:
Absolutely if you apply the same principles as were applied with Hitler and Germany
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I...wah? when did Saddam declare war on us?
 
Fearandloathing said:
Not everyone. The UN never bought nor the UN inspector. And despite some heavy arm twisting and mild intimidation Dubya never convinced Canada there was any threat.
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bingo...plenty of the rank and file analysts didn't think he had WMDs, and neither did French intelligence (who probably had the most folks on the ground).

the whole mess was one of history's greatest acts of confirmation bias.
 
Invading Iraq was NOT the right choice. The proper choice would have been a surgical strike (either via aviation or SOFOR) to kill Hussein himself and then let the nation crumble around itself.
 
Navy Pride said:
When someone kills 3,000 Americans you have to punish them.....
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Iraq didnt kill 3,000 Americans. Actually no country did. It was a small group called Al Qaeda did...
 
Navy Pride said:

This is not a yes or no answer......When we invaded Iraq everyone thought that had WMD and the Senate almost voted unanimously to approve the invasion that included a bunch of Liberals...Now people like you are playing Monday Morning QB criticizing the decision.

There have been some good things that came out of the invasion:

1. We don't have to ever worry about WMD

2. Saddam won't be killing his own people anymore

3. Saddam and his sons won't be raping and murdering teenage girls again.

4. there is a Government although a shaky one........At least we gave them a chance...What they do is up to them now.

I mourn the loss of every GI that was killed there.

I could go on and on.
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1) Because they never existed. Propaganda at its finest.

2) Nope...they will go back to killing each other.

3) Again...they won't, but there sure are a lot of those terrorist insurgents there now that will.

4) Nice thought, but we're still there. We never fully left that country. What we gave them was a country bombed back a few generations, plagued with insurgent terrorists, a horrible divide between the Sunni and Shia Muslims...We had no real plan after ousting Hussein and that has become very obvious.

I think we all can agree that Hussein a horrible tyrant, but our presence there was a big mistake. It cost us American lives, and a lot of money. Sometimes we need to learn to stay out of the affairs of foreign nations. It isn't up to us to be the saviors of the world.

Nation building leads to bankruptcy.

This war in Iraq was a mistake and should have never occurred.
 
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