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Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote?(please read before voting)

Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote?(please read before voting)

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YES
Is caused by those buying an election - or trying to do this..people themselves trying to cheat at this process are probably less than 0.001%...QUOTE=Hatuey;1061581084]Anyone wanna show us some tangible evidence of widespread voter fraud?[/QUOTE]
 
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Hatuey said:
Still on the he's not a citizen schtick? Lawd. Isn't that a little 2008?
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I think that what hum....said was not worthy of comment.
So 1600s....
 
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humbolt said:
I agree. The left gets their dander up over a voter ID because it disfranchises somebody somewhere supposedly, but we've all had our healthcare disfranchised by the government as it is, and they're all mum on that one.
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My "dander" is NOT up as to voter ID......and THIS is the topic
I favor any improvement in health care...and this is NOT the topic !
 
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earthworm said:
My "dander" is NOT up as to voter ID......and THIS is the topic
I favor any improvement in health care...and this is NOT the topic !
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I don't care if your dander is up or down. I'm just satisfied that you have the problem.
 
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Sure. However, the rest of you 49 can register to vote. I'll just show up at the polls and vote without voter registration. It's good to be North Dakotan.
 
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jamesrage said:
Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote? This is about getting your voter registration card, not showing up the polls and presenting birth certificates and certificates of naturalization.


This should be a no brainer.Yes you should have to prove you are a citizen to get a voter registration card.



My Way News - Must voters have to prove citizenship to register?

[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif]The Supreme Court will struggle this week with the validity of an Arizona law that tries to keep illegal immigrants from voting by demanding all state residents show documents proving their U.S. citizenship before registering to vote in national elections.[/FONT]
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Its a no brainer, of course you should.
 
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earthworm said:
My "dander" is NOT up as to voter ID......and THIS is the topic
I favor any improvement in health care...and this is NOT the topic !
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Well why don't you start a thread on the subject?:confused:
 
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Navy Pride said:
Well why don't you start a thread on the subject?:confused:
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Maybe the poster to whom he was replying should do that.
 
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rocket88 said:
Maybe the poster to whom he was replying should do that.
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Whatever..............
 
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rocket88 said:
Maybe the poster to whom he was replying should do that.
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It was a comparison demonstrating the hypocrisy of the political left on the issue discussed in THIS thread. I am not responsible for those who don't read or refuse to comprehend the connection.
 
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so let me get this straight.

we shouldn't have to prove we are US citizens when voting for the leaders of our country..... but we need to prove we are upstanding , law abiding, mentally healthy, people ....to simply purchase a firearm.

ok then.:lol:
 
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earthworm said:
This "argument" strikes me as a silly lie ..
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What "struck" you was that truth hurts.
 
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Surtr said:
I honestly don't get the controversy. Can't prove citizenship, can't vote.
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I recall a case where a birth certificate bound decades ago in a state owned and controlled book wasn't found sufficient to prove citizenship.
So again, what documents are sufficient to prove citizenship?
 
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humbolt said:
It was a comparison demonstrating the hypocrisy of the political left on the issue discussed in THIS thread. I am not responsible for those who don't read or refuse to comprehend the connection.
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What about the hypocrisy of the right that calls needing ID to buy a gun an infringement, but needing ID to vote is fine.

As far as I'm concerned, go ahead and require ID for both. ID laws will have the same effect on electoral fraud that permits have had on criminals getting guns. To the case at hand, the gentleman in question is a naturalized citizen, but was not allowed to register to vote because of what Arizona required of him. A naturalized citizen should be able to register easily, IMO.
 
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In order to vote in a federal election, you should have to be a citizen. That you have to prove it at some point is obvious.
 
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rocket88 said:
What about the hypocrisy of the right that calls needing ID to buy a gun an infringement, but needing ID to vote is fine.

As far as I'm concerned, go ahead and require ID for both. ID laws will have the same effect on electoral fraud that permits have had on criminals getting guns. To the case at hand, the gentleman in question is a naturalized citizen, but was not allowed to register to vote because of what Arizona required of him. A naturalized citizen should be able to register easily, IMO.
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Theres a law against prohibiting the bearing of arms in the constitution. There is no individual right to vote. The citizens gave that power to the state legislatures and federal govt.
 
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Thrilla said:
so let me get this straight.

we shouldn't have to prove we are US citizens when voting for the leaders of our country..... but we need to prove we are upstanding , law abiding, mentally healthy, people ....to simply purchase a firearm.

ok then.:lol:
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Well, there are those who certainly don't have a problem with it the other way.

Read about the case at hand. The man IS a citizen. His registration was refused because it wasn't in the computer. Granted, it was the same day, but why should a naturalized citizen have trouble registering to vote?
 
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jonny5 said:
In order to vote in a federal election, you should have to be a citizen. That you have to prove it at some point is obvious.
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What is acceptable proof? Who is the judge that decides if the proof is sufficient?
Again: I recall a case where a birth certificate bound decades ago in a state owned and controlled book isn't sufficient to prove citizenship.
 
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rocket88 said:
What about the hypocrisy of the right that calls needing ID to buy a gun an infringement, but needing ID to vote is fine.

As far as I'm concerned, go ahead and require ID for both. ID laws will have the same effect on electoral fraud that permits have had on criminals getting guns. To the case at hand, the gentleman in question is a naturalized citizen, but was not allowed to register to vote because of what Arizona required of him. A naturalized citizen should be able to register easily, IMO.
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Hypocrisy abounds. I agree with your assessment. A naturalized citizen should be given whatever ID is required upon receiving citizenship. There is no need to tie such things to another document in that case. BTW, I've never purchased a fire arm without providing ID, and I, for one, have no problem with that.
 
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jonny5 said:
Theres a law against prohibiting the bearing of arms in the constitution. There is no individual right to vote. The citizens gave that power to the state legislatures and federal govt.
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I love when the right goes off on "there's no right to vote." I guess it would be OK if you were disenfranchised since it's not in the Constitution.
 
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Short answer: Yes, proof should be required.

I struggle with the argument: If we as a society require proof of citizenship, then we as a society should provide the means of proof of citizenship. I.E. at birth, provide with a free birth certificate from the county courthouse (or free form of whatever identification would suffice) - whether a home-delivery or not, etc.

The reasoning behind that argument is that such a new law would be imposing additional hurdles to vote (which is an inherent right of all citizens) and that we should never obstruct inherent rights, unless they infringe on the rights of others.

That being said, there are obstacles to vote. You must have the means to get to the polls for example. We don't expect our society to jump those hurdles for each individual, but then again, those hurdles weren't created by society.

Regardless, my answer is 'yes, you need proof'. But how to get there is a question unanswered.
 
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rocket88 said:
I love when the right goes off on "there's no right to vote." I guess it would be OK if you were disenfranchised since it's not in the Constitution.
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Dont change the subject.
 
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OhIsee.Then said:
What is acceptable proof? Who is the judge that decides if the proof is sufficient?
Again: I recall a case where a birth certificate bound decades ago in a state owned and controlled book isn't sufficient to prove citizenship.
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Whatever the people agree to. In this case, the law specifies that the state legislatures make the rules, but that congress can amend them. The judge who deals with any disuptes is whoever has jurisdiction, again decided by the people.
 
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jonny5 said:
Dont change the subject.
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I'm not the one bringing gun control into it at all. If you were disenfranchised, would you be OK with that?
 
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My question is - how do you prove you are a citizen? Birth certificate - no. Lots of people born here are not citizens, and the reverse is true. Passport - not unless it was issued the day you intend to vote. Lots of people with U.S. Passports are no longer citizens. Naturalization papers? See passports. What about those naturalized citizens who change their minds and go back home? Driver's license? Laughable. Military ID? Lots of foreign nationals serve in the U.S. military.

Again - I'm all for proving citizenship if somebody can tell me how to do it conclusively. The operative word here is 'prove', not that you are 'likely' a citizen.

Of course we could always go for some sort of national identity card or even a 'citizenship chip'. I imagine those on the Right would love that.
 
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