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Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote?(please read before voting)

Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote?(please read before voting)


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Re: Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote?(please read before voti

So, when you become a citizen, what?, they shake your hand and nothing? Hey, even immigrants, legal ones anyway, get a green card.

I don't know about other States, but we get a notification from the Election Board that you take with you when you go to vote. That, and your driver's license, plus the verification of your signature from previous elections, is sufficient proof. :) In my small town, we all know each other, but when I initially asked the voting guy in charge why, he told me "Hey, I even have to ask my mother to produce her driver's license!" Nuff said....
 
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Still on the he's not a citizen schtick? Lawd. Isn't that a little 2008?
I wasn't referring to that at all. I was referring to Obama's role as president.
 
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I wasn't referring to that at all. I was referring to Obama's role as president.

Ah, so nothing of any value to add to the conversation other than partisan nonsense. Here I was thinking you were just a regular run of the mill birther.
 
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:agree: But the ACA was an anomoly that required bribes and threats to pass, and that was from their own party! The Repubs voted no, but it did squeek by. Only now are we being made aware of how costly it may be, contrary to the promises made by BHO and others. :(
I agree. The left gets their dander up over a voter ID because it disfranchises somebody somewhere supposedly, but we've all had our healthcare disfranchised by the government as it is, and they're all mum on that one.
 
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Ah, so nothing of any value to add to the conversation other than partisan nonsense. Here I was thinking you were just a regular run of the mill birther.
And you're completely non-partisan I take it. And here you were thinking....
 
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And you're completely non-partisan I take it.

I'm pretty good at calling out partisan bull**** when I see it regardless of lean.
 
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I'm pretty good at calling out partisan bull**** when I see it regardless of lean.
I'm certain you are. Of course, it all depends on the definition of BS you subscribe to. I can assure you that I don't care in the least where Obama was born. It makes no difference at all to me. Never did.
 
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I don't know about other States, but we get a notification from the Election Board that you take with you when you go to vote. That, and your driver's license, plus the verification of your signature from previous elections, is sufficient proof. :) In my small town, we all know each other, but when I initially asked the voting guy in charge why, he told me "Hey, I even have to ask my mother to produce her driver's license!" Nuff said....

Yes it is the same here.

I was a scrutineer in one election. I was at the voting station all day. I was wearing an official Elections Canada ID tag around my neck. But, when I went to vote I still had to show my voter registration card and photo ID.

I don't think its wrong. Hey, we have one party here, the socialist New Democratic Party who used to brag "vote early, vote often." And "my dad never voted NDP in his life, but he does now."

BTW, we vote my making a pencil mark on a piece of paper.
 
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I agree. The left gets their dander up over a voter ID because it disfranchises somebody somewhere supposedly, but we've all had our healthcare disfranchised by the government as it is, and they're all mum on that one.

It is a lame argument. It goes like this: poor people cannot afford a driver's license, do not get electric bills etc.

We fixed that here. If you do not have any ID, you can still vote provided you have someone swear on your behalf.

The votes, though, are very, very few. In the election I was scrutineer we had none at all.
 
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It is a lame argument. It goes like this: poor people cannot afford a driver's license, do not get electric bills etc.

We fixed that here. If you do not have any ID, you can still vote provided you have someone swear on your behalf.

The votes, though, are very, very few. In the election I was scrutineer we had none at all.
It is very lame, but that has never prevented the left from presenting it as an issue. What they lack in substance they attempt to make up by sheer repetition.
 
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That's the idea.

A driver's license should be readily available to anyone that drives. I suppose the main concern is for the especially "underprivileged" who are citizens but *gasp* "live off of the government". Not to be snide or mean spirited but from a practical perspective voter turn out for those people are probably very low by my guesses.


A lot of this issue is to score political points than anything else. I wouldn't take it too seriously. I do believe however it should be made as easy as possible for actual citizens to prove themselves, to the point that the average, ...no below average, American can do it.
 
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Another non-issue that is just a waste of the court's time. Something like .00001% of votes in '08 were fraudulent. That's not even worth standing in line longer for people to get their ID out, much less will it result in the wrong candidate winning. And yes, it is an attempt by Republicans to keep the poor, disproportionately black, from voting. In the city they often do not have a license. Needing someone to 'swear on your behalf' is also unacceptable. *Everyone* with the right to vote should be able to, as painlessly as possible. That means weekend voting, booths at the mall etc. You can't expect anyone to take it seriously when half the country doesn't vote.
 
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That's the idea.

A driver's license should be readily available to anyone that drives. I suppose the main concern is for the especially "underprivileged" who are citizens but *gasp* "live off of the government". Not to be snide or mean spirited but from a practical perspective voter turn out for those people are probably very low by my guesses.


A lot of this issue is to score political points than anything else. I wouldn't take it too seriously. I do believe however it should be made as easy as possible for actual citizens to prove themselves, to the point that the average, ...no below average, American can do it.

Under our disability system we have provided a photo ID in place of a DL.


The problem with street people is they lose or sell them...
 
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Under our disability system we have provided a photo ID in place of a DL.


The problem with street people is they lose or sell them...

Then I re-illiterate, how many of those people actually go to the polls to vote? ;)

Non-issue
 
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Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote? This is about getting your voter registration card, not showing up the polls and presenting birth certificates and certificates of naturalization.

This should be a no brainer.Yes you should have to prove you are a citizen to get a voter registration card.

My Way News - Must voters have to prove citizenship to register?

[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif]The Supreme Court will struggle this week with the validity of an Arizona law that tries to keep illegal immigrants from voting by demanding all state residents show documents proving their U.S. citizenship before registering to vote in national elections.[/FONT]
I'm in AZ today. What documents are the ones I got when I became a citizen? I was born in PA over 50 years ago. Those are the ones I would have to use, correct? Not some water bill with my name on it. And who is the expert that will know that my document is valid and not 'counterfeit'. I have voted in AZ in the past, but never proved anything. I wonder what document our AZ Governor has?
 
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I don't think it's any more necessary to prove you're a citizen when you register to vote than it is to prove you have an account when you go to the bank to take out money. If banks trust you then surely the government can.
 
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Then I re-illiterate, how many of those people actually go to the polls to vote? ;)

Non-issue



I think earlier I detailed how people without ID can still vote by having a registered voter swear on their behalf. I was a scrutineer one election where we have 24 polls. We never got one swear in vote, so yeah, that was my point, the argument it is voter suppression is hollow.

I suspect, as do some others, there are some key areas where non registered make a difference and that is the real basis of the argument.
 
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It is, but I am willing to let Obama replace Ruthy. Who knows? He could end up screwing up, and nominate a justice that would actually vote with the right on something. Once. Maybe.

The point is - she doesn't trust him to name a good replacement.
 
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Yes it is the same here.

I was a scrutineer in one election. I was at the voting station all day. I was wearing an official Elections Canada ID tag around my neck. But, when I went to vote I still had to show my voter registration card and photo ID.

I don't think its wrong. Hey, we have one party here, the socialist New Democratic Party who used to brag "vote early, vote often." And "my dad never voted NDP in his life, but he does now."

BTW, we vote my making a pencil mark on a piece of paper.

And you have one tenth the population we do. There are more people in California than in all of Canada. Btw, just noting it's a bit easier to keep track with far fewer people, not opposing requiring ID.
 
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I agree that you should have to prove your citizenship, but here's a little more context to what the case is:

Can States Go Beyond Federal Law On Voter Registration? : NPR

The lead plaintiff in this case is Jesus Gonzalez, a Yuma, Ariz., school janitor who registered to vote, or tried to, on the day he became a U.S. citizen. His application was twice rejected by state officials. The first time was because, following instructions on the state form, he supplied his naturalization number, but as it turned out, there was no way for the state to verify that number with the Department of Homeland Security. On his second try, Gonzalez entered his driver's license number, but, as it turned out, because he had obtained his license when he was a legal resident but prior to becoming a citizen, unbeknownst to him, he was flagged in the state's files as a "foreigner."

So the guy is a citizen, but they wouldn't accept his naturalization because it wasn't in the computer yet. He should have been eligible to register right after taking the citizenship oath. It should be easy for a newly naturalized citizen to register.
 
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If you consider the USA to be the electoral public restroom of the civilized world, then no, it is shouldn't be required for people to prove that they are citizens of the US before voting. Why not go further, scrap the requirement all together. Electoral right should not be dependent on citizenship and let the entire bloody world vote on who the next US president be.

Seriously, is this even up for debate? This forum, as far as I am aware, is debatepolitics. Not debate stupid ideas that some people have about how to make things worse than they already are.

Electoral rights come with citizenship. This is the standard in every country. No citizenship, no electoral rights. And electoral rights are privilege, and you should lose them if you perform certain crimes (voter fraud or vote bribery) or are mentally damaged (handicapped, retarded, insane).
 
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I dont beleive there are busloads of people riding around on election day voting. But I dont beleive anyone should be able to vote or register to vote without ID or swearing to be a legal voter and leave fingerprits. Then if they vote illegally prosecute to the fullest. I think both sides of this issue are much ado about very very little.
 
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Other or no vote !
I'd be offended if I had to prove my citizenship !
But, I cannot remember what proof I had to give in order to vote.
IMO, we do need national citizen ID. And if this is not abused, its a good idea..
I do fear the abuse, particularly from the "right".
All people in America should be citizens....illegal or not...
So, lets stop with this silliness, and fences and Berlin Walls.
This is America, NOT Amerika !
 
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It's not about sneaky foreigners voting illegally, it's about Dems pandering and encouraging illegal votes for the Dems personal benefits.

Multi-votes could be a separate poll.
This "argument" strikes me as a silly lie ..
 
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Ah, its what they do in every country I've lived in.

Why wouldn't you if it's clearly stated in the constitution that only US citizens can vote?
As I recall, there was NO VOTING for a POTUS when the Constitution was passed..
I'll have to post the constitution and do a search..
may be interesting...
Our Constitution and the Bible are so similar..
 
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