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Which (if any) of these guns in the classroom policies would you support?

Which (if any) of these guns in the classroom policies would you support?

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Luna Tick

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1. Any teacher who wants to pack heat in her classroom may simply do so without any restrictions.
2. A teacher must pass a simple gun safety course created by the school, then she's allowed to take a gun to her class.
3. A teacher must get her state's concealed carry permit; then she's allowed a gun in her classroom. If her state has no such permit, the school creates a school carry permit and a test she must pass.
4. A teacher must go through rigorous training program on gun safety, gunfights, criminology, etc. similar to what a police cadet would have to pass. At that point she's allowed a gun in her classroom and her pay is doubled as a result of her extra skill and responsibility.
5. I do not support any policy that allows a teacher to have a gun in her classroom.

(Note: I'm using the feminine pronouns here, but the teacher could also be male.)
 
If a teacher is lawfully eligible to carry a firearm in his or her municipality then they should also be allowed to do so in the classroom HOWEVER I also believe that the teachers job is to teach and that a dedicated security force of some type should be the ones primarily responsible for school security.
 
l voted 4 for only the safety of children..

but the antidote that will be used to eliminate this disease is not gun in my opinion .

" he has gun ,l must have too " seems crazy to me and may not solve the problems .on the contrary it may increase..
 
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Lutherf said:
If a teacher is lawfully eligible to carry a firearm in his or her municipality then they should also be allowed to do so in the classroom HOWEVER I also believe that the teachers job is to teach and that a dedicated security force of some type should be the ones primarily responsible for school security.
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I don't think allowing teachers to carry puts them in charge of hall monitoring and parking lot roving.



I choose #2 and #3. I'm willing to make my position more palatable by requiring a basic safety certificate, or some such, as additional training before a teacher carries to class.
 
I chose #1.

If a teacher wanted to kill her kids, there are a million ways to do it, including simply bringing said gun to school. Making up laws to restrict law abiding teachers isn't going to change anything.
 
2 if I had to pin it down.
 
Luna Tick said:
1. Any teacher who wants to pack heat in her classroom may simply do so without any restrictions.
2. A teacher must pass a simple gun safety course created by the school, then she's allowed to take a gun to her class.
3. A teacher must get her state's concealed carry permit; then she's allowed a gun in her classroom. If her state has no such permit, the school creates a school carry permit and a test she must pass.
4. A teacher must go through rigorous training program on gun safety, gunfights, criminology, etc. similar to what a police cadet would have to pass. At that point she's allowed a gun in her classroom and her pay is doubled as a result of her extra skill and responsibility.
5. I do not support any policy that allows a teacher to have a gun in her classroom.

(Note: I'm using the feminine pronouns here, but the teacher could also be male.)
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I understand the sentiment, and I understand the theory, but in practical reality I believe that allowing teachers to carry guns in the classroom would be one of the dumbest most boneheaded things our country has ever done.
 
radcen said:
I understand the sentiment, and I understand the theory, but in practical reality I believe that allowing teachers to carry guns in the classroom would be one of the dumbest most boneheaded things our country has ever done.
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Please explain why.
 
Luna Tick said:
Please explain why.
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  1. It presumes all/most teachers would be capable. Not so, even with training.
  2. It gives potential shooters their first target and/or a source for additional weapons without having to sneak them in themselves. Could be an outsider or even students themselves.
  3. Teaching is very distracting, and it is impossible for a teacher to be aware of everything all at once, thus increasing the possibility of #2 above.
  4. Even without malicious intent, it's not unlikely that a student could somehow come into possession of the weapon and shoot someone.
  5. For all of the above, we'd have more shootings, and probably more deaths overall, albeit maybe fewer large-scale shootings.

It's just poorly thought out.
 
Luna Tick said:
1. Any teacher who wants to pack heat in her classroom may simply do so without any restrictions.
2. A teacher must pass a simple gun safety course created by the school, then she's allowed to take a gun to her class.
3. A teacher must get her state's concealed carry permit; then she's allowed a gun in her classroom. If her state has no such permit, the school creates a school carry permit and a test she must pass.
4. A teacher must go through rigorous training program on gun safety, gunfights, criminology, etc. similar to what a police cadet would have to pass. At that point she's allowed a gun in her classroom and her pay is doubled as a result of her extra skill and responsibility.
5. I do not support any policy that allows a teacher to have a gun in her classroom.

(Note: I'm using the feminine pronouns here, but the teacher could also be male.)
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Are these the same worthless,lazy,liburl teachers that are members of the same liburl lovin,money grubbin unions that people were whinning about and wanted to do away with just a couple of months ago and now you want to trust these same teachers and unions to carry guns in a class room. Now that's funny...
 
I voted for #3.

Everybody that Carries a gun holds a license, find see why a teacher would be any different.
 
6. I propose we arm both the teachers and the students. Let these kids grow up with a healthy respect for firearms. Believe me, they'll learn very quickly that the days of bullying others are over. An armed society is a polite society.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I chose #1.

If a teacher wanted to kill her kids, there are a million ways to do it, including simply bringing said gun to school. Making up laws to restrict law abiding teachers isn't going to change anything.
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It's not a matter of the teacher using the gun to murder people! It's a matter of the weapon being secure. I think a teacher, someone not around presumably responsible adults for the most part, needs to pay extra attention to weapon security. I would recommend that the weapon never be seen, and if kept off-body then somewhere secure via key/print. Certainly do not tell students which teachers are armed and a teacher whose weapon is seen should claim it's a very rare occurance because of something outside school.
 
ecofarm said:
I don't think allowing teachers to carry puts them in charge of hall monitoring and parking lot roving.



I choose #2 and #3. I'm willing to make my position more palatable by requiring a basic safety certificate, or some such, as additional training before a teacher carries to class.
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Yeah. That's why I like the idea of dedicated security. A teacher, like everyone else, should be allowed to adequately protect themselves but their primary responsibility at school is to the students including their safety. To that end I prefer that a dedicated security contingent (and I prefer a volunteer model) should be the ones primarily involved in school security while the teachers focus on education. In the event that things head south an armed teacher could lock down the classroom and act as security for that particular room while the "regulars" work on stopping the shooter.
 
Lutherf said:
Yeah. That's why I like the idea of dedicated security. A teacher, like everyone else, should be allowed to adequately protect themselves but their primary responsibility at school is to the students including their safety. To that end I prefer that a dedicated security contingent (and I prefer a volunteer model) should be the ones primarily involved in school security while the teachers focus on education. In the event that things head south an armed teacher could lock down the classroom and act as security for that particular room while the "regulars" work on stopping the shooter.
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We cannot expect, nor should we plan, for a teacher to maneuver and engage an active shooter. Carrying is enough responsibility. Still, I don't expect an armed guard at every school all the time.
 
Luna Tick said:
1. Any teacher who wants to pack heat in her classroom may simply do so without any restrictions.
2. A teacher must pass a simple gun safety course created by the school, then she's allowed to take a gun to her class.
3. A teacher must get her state's concealed carry permit; then she's allowed a gun in her classroom. If her state has no such permit, the school creates a school carry permit and a test she must pass.
4. A teacher must go through rigorous training program on gun safety, gunfights, criminology, etc. similar to what a police cadet would have to pass. At that point she's allowed a gun in her classroom and her pay is doubled as a result of her extra skill and responsibility.
5. I do not support any policy that allows a teacher to have a gun in her classroom.

(Note: I'm using the feminine pronouns here, but the teacher could also be male.)
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If a teacher complies with the laws of the state re his/her gun permit, that's all that should be required. The school would be asking for lots of liability if they either ran a training program or recommended one. If extra training is deemed necessary, it should be legislated and not a decision individual schools make.
 
Luna Tick said:
1. Any teacher who wants to pack heat in her classroom may simply do so without any restrictions.
2. A teacher must pass a simple gun safety course created by the school, then she's allowed to take a gun to her class.
3. A teacher must get her state's concealed carry permit; then she's allowed a gun in her classroom. If her state has no such permit, the school creates a school carry permit and a test she must pass.
4. A teacher must go through rigorous training program on gun safety, gunfights, criminology, etc. similar to what a police cadet would have to pass. At that point she's allowed a gun in her classroom and her pay is doubled as a result of her extra skill and responsibility.
5. I do not support any policy that allows a teacher to have a gun in her classroom.

(Note: I'm using the feminine pronouns here, but the teacher could also be male.)
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I don't support anything unless they've made efforts to install monitoring systems, improved security personnel - etc . . . arming a teacher is setting it up as a last-resort . . . Someone who's armed shouldn't be able to get into the ****ing school to begin with.
 
I voted #2 as anything further is a violation of her human right to bear arms.

Ideally, those gun safety courses would be provided freely by the government. And be mandatory for all citizens.
 
I don't think the issue is teachers with guns. It is qualified armed security or law enforcement in public schools. So I voted for the last - though I also STRONGLY believe there MUST be armed security in public schools since attendance is mandatory.
 
radcen said:
I understand the sentiment, and I understand the theory, but in practical reality I believe that allowing teachers to carry guns in the classroom would be one of the dumbest most boneheaded things our country has ever done.
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Nah, declaring schools to be gun free zones are more boneheaded.
 
radcen said:
  1. It presumes all/most teachers would be capable. Not so, even with training.
  2. It gives potential shooters their first target and/or a source for additional weapons without having to sneak them in themselves. Could be an outsider or even students themselves.
  3. Teaching is very distracting, and it is impossible for a teacher to be aware of everything all at once, thus increasing the possibility of #2 above.
  4. Even without malicious intent, it's not unlikely that a student could somehow come into possession of the weapon and shoot someone.
  5. For all of the above, we'd have more shootings, and probably more deaths overall, albeit maybe fewer large-scale shootings.

It's just poorly thought out.
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1. So no doubt you think the same of most citizens. Not capable even with training. Noted.

2. I believe that if this is implemented those who would carry would not be announced though a student would probably figure it out. The issue of being an additional source of guns is mostly moot since they are willing to break the rules by bringing guns in the first place. They will bring all the weapons that are available to them plus ammo. The teachers weapon might use different ammo and thus be of limited use.

3. Good teachers make themselves aware of what is going around them. There are poor teachers who do not and there needs to be fewer of them. This help thinning out the later.

4. So your point is about students messing with guns. I suppose the school could educate on the topic since it is a school.

5. I think there will be fewer deaths overall since schools are targets of opportunity. And is one area that mental health evaluations are more likely since the students are under observation more.
 
BMCM said:
Are these the same worthless,lazy,liburl teachers that are members of the same liburl lovin,money grubbin unions that people were whinning about and wanted to do away with just a couple of months ago and now you want to trust these same teachers and unions to carry guns in a class room. Now that's funny...
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teacher's union =/= teachers.
 
I think the choices need amended. I'd say the first part of #3 is must before thinking about #1 and #2 would go along with #3. Having said that, if state and federal laws allows a concealed weapon, I'm all for any and all teachers to carry/have in desk and then they would at least have the choice to decide how they would respond to some one with a gun. The teacher could always position herself where she is away from students before taking out the bad guy. The more that are carrying the more opportunities there are to take out the bad guy one on one. Like if the principal at Sandy Hook had been armed.
 
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