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The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

Which side of the GOP will you support?

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ChezC3 said:
I'm in the process of sending a donation to every Senator who took part in yesterday's activities that backed Sen. Paul.

Just getting all the participants names and the appropriate websites.
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So you don't agree with John McCain's statement that Rand Paul was catering to Libertarian college students in their dorms ?...........
 
This perfectly exemplifies (one of) the problem(s) with the RWers. First of all the POTUS never intended to kill any US citizen with a drone who is not an imment threat. Secondly they are at least dozens of ways the POTUS could have someone killed without a drone at all involved. This issue came up because drones are scary and there is a scary (other) in the white house. I think it is great the RWers are bickering about meaningless issues. Maybe they can start on the birth certificate thing again soon.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
The GOP unfortunately is mostly go along and get along but above all get reelected country club elites. Most would be content to play second fiddle to the democrats as long as they get to keep their cushy jobs. The old guys need to be swept out of the way to make room for the new young bloods that have ideas and energy and want this country to return to the Reagan era America. These old men that walk around like they have sticks up their butts on their way from one 3 martini meal to another make me want to get the death panels up and running.
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Most of the old men you talk about were brought in during the Reagan era. They are more Reaganite than the tea party.
 
I am not in the GOP so I support none of the sides really, but it feels to me like the Koch Brothers are trying to win control of the corporate conservative agenda by making an end run with the social conservatives and the other corporate conservatives are not willing to go into that good night. It is more a Gentleman's Club civil war somewhat akin to that Eddie Murphy movie Trading Places (I think that was the one where they made Eddie a homeless guy an executive and ruined the life of an executive just for sport)
 
ChezC3 said:
Gary Johnson
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Me too, I will be darn if I will ever vote for the parties that have caused all the problems this countries face today. Neither has a workable solution to the problems. Both owe their heart and soul to those who donate all the money for them to run their campaigns, the special interests, lobbyist, corporations, wall street, super pacs, huge big money donors, and on and on. The people do not donate their hundreds of millions just because they believe in a cause, they do so for favorable legislation and tax breaks, incentives, subsidies. A lot of these corporations and wall street firms give to both sides just in case the incumbent loses, the challenger will already owe them. Good for you my friend.
 
TheLastIndependent said:
Those TEA Partiers that tend to be heard the most are the ones that were picked up with Bachmann.
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"Heard" because they fit so perfectly into stereotypes both the msnbcs (look at these racist homophobe troglodytes!) and the foxes (look at these red-meat conservatives, no fancy-pants libertarians here!) are working so hard to sustain.

(In Massachusetts, it nearly came to blows between the Greater Boston Tea Party and its affiliates all around the state - and the bachmannized johnny-come-later Mass Tea Party Coalition last spring:

Greater Boston Tea Party - For Immediate Release 4.11.12

Boston April 11, 2012 ---In keeping with the Greater Boston Tea Party's tradition of welcoming all that want to preserve our Constitutional freedoms, we will be neither endorsing nor attending the rally on the Boston Common scheduled for Sunday, April 15, 2012. In fact, we encourage tea party activists to avoid the event. Sponsored by an unfamiliar "Mass Tea Party Coalition", the lack of communication and collaboration with established tea party organizations concerns us that this is an organization bent on damaging the good name of the tea party movement.
For nearly three years, Greater Boston Tea Party has been strongly focused on the serious fiscal issues facing the Commonwealth and this country. Our organization does not take positions on social issues, such as gay marriage or abortion. While these issues are important to many people, including some of our members, they do not apply to our mission of advocating for personal responsibility and individual Liberty.

The Mass Tea Party Coalition has a radically different view on tea party activism. Their main focus appears to be the above social issues, as evidenced by the speakers they have chosen for their rally, including two well known anti-gay activists. The coalition claims to represent 40 groups but there is little evidence of this being accurate. We know of at least one legitimate Tea Party group that has asked repeatedly to be removed from the "coalition", but to no avail. Their unprofessional behavior and unwillingness to communicate with other established tea party organizations are distressing but to be expected as part of political activism.

"We are fortunate that the majority of the independent tea party organizations in Massachusetts have agreed to come together and share our collective message of preserving the Constitution and the principles of good governance therein", said Christine Morabito, president of the Greater Boston Tea Party. "On April 15, the Greater Boston Tea Party is proud to be joining with the Worcester County Tea Parties for their 4th annual Tax Day Rally. The Worcester group has proven to be an earnest, honorable grass-roots organization, and does a fine job of representing the conservative center of the state."

And:

Dual Tea Party rallies in Boston, Worcester highlight split within movement - Metro - The Boston Globe

Except every single one of my friends back in MA knew about the Greater Boston TP (whether they approved or not) - and not a single one ever heard about the Mass TP Coalition - until that week in April.
 
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Bonzai said:
So you don't agree with John McCain's statement that Rand Paul was catering to Libertarian college students in their dorms ?...........
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I don't agree with "John McCain".
 
McCain who is always against anything that limits the size, power, involvement, or funding of our already bloated military? Say it isn't so!


I would have to side with Libertarians.
 
Fisher said:
it feels to me like the Koch Brothers are trying to win control of the corporate conservative agenda by making an end run with the social conservatives
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The Koch Brothers - the pro-immigration, pro-gay rights, pro-marijuana-legalization, anti-war etc Koch Brothers are making that end run? Are you sure?
 
Perotista said:
Me too, I will be darn if I will ever vote for the parties that have caused all the problems this countries face today. Neither has a workable solution to the problems. Both owe their heart and soul to those who donate all the money for them to run their campaigns, the special interests, lobbyist, corporations, wall street, super pacs, huge big money donors, and on and on. The people do not donate their hundreds of millions just because they believe in a cause, they do so for favorable legislation and tax breaks, incentives, subsidies. A lot of these corporations and wall street firms give to both sides just in case the incumbent loses, the challenger will already owe them. Good for you my friend.
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Yes, they are both two sides to the same corporatist coin. I was a straight ticket GOPer up until Baby Bush's last term. Then I just seen the light I suppose. The GOP's "rugged individualism" slogan was only for the wee people and not the monied elite. They can latch on to the government teet all they want, but you (I'm assuming) and I Middle Classers, we're suppose to shun government and take care of ourselves and fall on our swords if need be to stay "rugged".

I'm fine with all that mind you, I can take care of me and mine just fine. It has to be for everyone however and not the select few.
 
ChezC3 said:
I don't agree with "John McCain".
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Have you read any of Ayn Rand's books or seen either of the Atlas Shrugged movies, and if you did, what did you think of them ?..............
 
I snicker in advance...
 
Bonzai said:
Have you read any of Ayn Rand's books or seen either of the Atlas Shrugged movies, and if you did, what did you think of them ?..............
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I've read Atlas Shrugged in its entirety and have attempted to read a few of her other "works" I find her to be possibly the worst writer EVER to be published and wish to sue her estate for the weekend I can't get back that I spent wasting on her frivilous.....................................................................fiction.
 
ChezC3 said:
I've read Atlas Shrugged in its entirety and have attempted to read a few of her other "works" I find her to be possibly the worst writer EVER to be published and wish to sue her estate for the weekend I can't get back that I spent wasting on her frivilous.....................................................................fiction.
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I agree and I tend to dismiss her writings as the frustrations really ugly women experience in life, but the movies manifested the delusions so perfectly that I think they are destined to be cult classics........................
 
Bonzai said:
I agree and I tend to dismiss her writings as the frustrations really ugly women experience in life, but the movies manifested the delusions so perfectly that I think they are destined to be cult classics........................
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She's too dangerous to be dismissed outright. Her writing is at the level of a half wit. This leaves the door open for many, far too many people to be influenced.
 
TeaPartiers and Libertarians
RINO's and NeoCons

I think you should have broken these down into 4 categories. There is more differences between the tea partiers and libertarians than similarities. Also RINO and NeoCons are at least in my view completely different. If given a choice I would choose where ever Senators Snowe, Alexander, Lugar, Isakson, Murkowski etc. What ever category these senators fall into.
 
ChezC3 said:
She's too dangerous to be dismissed outright. Her writing is at the level of a half wit. This leaves the door open for many, far too many people to be influenced.
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Fortunately, most of those people are young and think the universe isn't fair to ugly women or else are fans of movies where repulsive nerds get to bed a real babe..................
 
Surtr said:
Neither. The GOP turned itself into America's biggest joke.
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With the Dems as the alternative the last laugh will be on the American people....
 
Perotista said:
TeaPartiers and Libertarians
RINO's and NeoCons

I think you should have broken these down into 4 categories. There is more differences between the tea partiers and libertarians than similarities. Also RINO and NeoCons are at least in my view completely different. If given a choice I would choose where ever Senators Snowe, Alexander, Lugar, Isakson, Murkowski etc. What ever category these senators fall into.
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Perhaps, but the two catagories I did put the 4 of them into are more similiar than the other.

RINO's and NeoCons in many conservative circles are synonyms.

Despite the nationalistic tendancies of the TeaParty they do share many similarities with certain strains of libertarian thought.

That rare species of paleo-conservatives I figure would be moreso leaning toward the TP/Libertarian side rather than the NEO/RINO side.

Right now, I'm looking at the new blood closely. I've many, many reservations about Sen Paul. He has however shown recently to alleviate some of my concerns and addressing issues which I feel are most important. Like what he did yesterday for example. Sen Cruz is another one, he's new, I've like what I've seen but I don't know much about the guy, and he hasn't been through the fire yet to show me he has the integrity to match his rhetoric.

Gary Johnson, now I don't agree with all of what he supports or even what he did as Governor. Most glaring is the corporatizing of Corrections.

Unfortunately the only ones in this entire political mess that are going to have to compromise is the American Voter. We can't have a perfect candidate because the perfect candidate will have the entire political system fight tooth and nail against his name even being remotely given a mention.

So, we must make do...
 
ChezC3 said:
Perhaps, but the two catagories I did put the 4 of them into are more similiar than the other.

RINO's and NeoCons in many conservative circles are synonyms.

Despite the nationalistic tendancies of the TeaParty they do share many similarities with certain strains of libertarian thought.

That rare species of paleo-conservatives I figure would be moreso leaning toward the TP/Libertarian side rather than the NEO/RINO side.

Right now, I'm looking at the new blood closely. I've many, many reservations about Sen Paul. He has however shown recently to alleviate some of my concerns and addressing issues which I feel are most important. Like what he did yesterday for example. Sen Cruz is another one, he's new, I've like what I've seen but I don't know much about the guy, and he hasn't been through the fire yet to show me he has the integrity to match his rhetoric.

Gary Johnson, now I don't agree with all of what he supports or even what he did as Governor. Most glaring is the corporatizing of Corrections.

Unfortunately the only ones in this entire political mess that are going to have to compromise is the American Voter. We can't have a perfect candidate because the perfect candidate will have the entire political system fight tooth and nail against his name even being remotely given a mention.

So, we must make do...
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nicely put and now I understand where you were coming from.
 
Perotista said:
nicely put and now I understand where you were coming from.
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The problem "Conservatives" are experiencing is they are no longer conservatives and are now just aiders and abetters of Evangelical social experimentation----------Not an enviable position to have backed oneself into...................
 
ChezC3 said:
McCain essentially told the American people today on the Senate floor that if you supported Rand Paul's fillibuster, you were an "impressionable kid".

I don't know but being closer to 40 than 30 much less being an "impressionable kid", I take offense to that comment.


So in the GOP's Civil War which side are you on?
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I'm on Senator Coburn's side.:cool:
 
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