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ear buds

Is this government intrusion on personal rights?

  • yes

    Votes: 25 65.8%
  • no

    Votes: 4 10.5%
  • it's for their own good.

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • **** off

    Votes: 8 21.1%

  • Total voters
    38
I like the intent of the idea but think a better solution would be having the manufacturers make safe products where its not legal to sell audio devices that exceed safe decibel levels without having to jump through hoops first. Smart phones, etc. can be engineered to know when the headphone jack is being used and automatically limit the maximum decibel output, shut off the music and display a warning that can only be over ridden by entering a password indicating the hearer agrees to go deaf in order to blast Beyonce at the loudest possible setting and/or require a parental pass-code to exceed a safe hearing level. Some people already suffer from congenital hearing difficulties and require a louder setting while others use the headphone port to plug their device into other equipment for more complex multi-media applications so an override option is a good idea too. And one real quick tangent: getting good ideas patented is way to complicated and expensive in the country; I just made Apple a few million dollars! :doh

I know of a case where a 14 year old kid has suffered such severe hearing loss due to his mp3 player that his doctor says he now has the hearing of of a 65 year old man.
 
Funny that you should mention ignorance of the law

Bloomberg isn't proposing any new laws concerning ear buds. He's only running a campaign to warn people of the risks associated with listening to loud music on earbuds

Excellent use of the taxpayer money.

Because their mothers/grandmothers didn't already tell them this at some point in their life.

For every person who "jokes" about going deaf listening to loud music....... guess what.... they are already "aware"
 
Where's the information campaign to protect New Yorkers from Bloomberg? Repeated and continued exposure to loud noises can damage your hearing. Duh. Repeated and continued exposure to controlling politicians can cost you your freedom.
 
I know of a case where a 14 year old kid has suffered such severe hearing loss due to his mp3 player that his doctor says he now has the hearing of of a 65 year old man.
I heard that.
 
Excellent use of the taxpayer money.

Because their mothers/grandmothers didn't already tell them this at some point in their life.

For every person who "jokes" about going deaf listening to loud music....... guess what.... they are already "aware"

Okay, so I just read that it is being funded by some grant from the "Fund for Public Health" which allegedly raises funds through non-tax dollars.

But, regardless....... I think a grant from the "Fund for Public Health" could be better used on some other important topic.
 
Until you drive the Democrats out of NYC, keep expecting things like this.
 
I never heard of ear buds before this but I do wear ear muffs with a built in radio when I work in my sawmill. Sometimes I have the music so loud I wonder if I am doing more damage with the ear protection than I would get from the sawmill noise itself
I make furniture. I wear a pair of noise cancelling headphones when I'm running the big stuff. They help a lot. You can buy an inexpensive pair at Walmart. They're usually in the sporting goods section around where the fire arms and ammo are. They're adjustable, so it's possible to hear a little or a lot of what's going on, if you need to. I don't know if this is helpful or not for you, but there it is, anyway.
 
Now if he were to ban live music from those ****ing noisy cars going Boom, boom, boom! I would be all for it.

I think they should be shot.
 
because this thread needed its own theme music:

 
From a semi-deaf man.....
Lets these fools do what they wish....man is NOT easily swayed , young man all the more..

But, affix a note on a man's PERMANENT health record...that he "enjoyed" listening to loud crap more than he respected his own self.

Todays hearing aids, are expensive and a royal PITA..
ask how I know....optional...
This iPod thing, for me , may have some tworth...But instead of todays junk-yard "music", I prefer Bach and Beethoven, Mozart and Mendelssohn.

Its either keep permanent records or take the place of good common sense.....which will it be ?
 
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Now if he were to ban live music from those ****ing noisy cars going Boom, boom, boom! I would be all for it.

I think they should be shot.
OOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhh Boy !
Are you ever an extremist.....I think a $100,000 fine and the loss of their precious noise makers should suffice...:mrgreen::2razz::2wave:
 
How many years do we have to hear about this crap? Just **** off. People like loud music and if it causes them to lose their hearing that is their problem.
 
No "like" from me.....at least we have a man who cares about people.....maybe too much???....better than too little...
Until you drive the Democrats out of NYC, keep expecting things like this.
 
Today it's an information campaign, then it will be limits on how much sound can be produced (but the buds you already have will be gradfathered in so it's not like the government is trying to take anything away from you). In order to be sure the buds you have are compliant they will have to be registered. But that in no way means that they intend to take away your ear buds. Until they do.

Those of you living in NYC are being tested. Just how far will you let it go? Most likely information gained during the NYC experiment will be used to extend such silliness across the country by determining just how much people will put up with. Personally I think the results will be a little skewed.
Where I live we can get a decent hot dog or pizza (unlike in NYC :lol:), we don't tolerate people living in their own little microcosm and we certainly wouldn't let our government tell us how big a Coke we can buy. But hey, youz guyz just keep on being the pinnacle of human development.
 
I like the intent of the idea but think a better solution would be having the manufacturers make safe products where its not legal to sell audio devices that exceed safe decibel levels without having to jump through hoops first.

No.

Smart phones, etc. can be engineered to know when the headphone jack is being used and automatically limit the maximum decibel output, shut off the music and display a warning that can only be over ridden by entering a password indicating the hearer agrees to go deaf in order to blast Beyonce at the loudest possible setting and/or require a parental pass-code to exceed a safe hearing level.

That sounds overly annoying. If the parents find the kid is listening to his or her music too loud they should get their asses in there and do something about it.

I just made Apple a few million dollars!

Your idea would destroy the popularity of Apple products.
 
No "like" from me.....at least we have a man who cares about people.....maybe too much???....better than too little...

And you deserve him. Liberals need to be coddled like little infants, so I expect this to be rather rank-and-file for them.

I, however, am intelligent enough to know what is good and what is bad - and am given the reason to do as I see fit with the expected ramifications.

Have Uncle Bloomy give you your pacifier and rattle. I'm sure mothers who breastfeed a 9 year old "care" about their children.
 
I feel like I just ran into 2006 again. Apple actually caught a lot of flack for reducing the volume output of its iPods in Europe, after receiving such demands from France.



Oh, ewwwww. You will not ruin my sound with that nonsense! I don't give a damn if you folks hear it, open cans rule (okay, traditional closed phones are nice too).



Depends on what you're wearing.

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Yes, people hearing a great deal of what you're listening to is a big deal.

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Here, not so much. The clue here is how it is constructed.

Ha I own a DT-770 80 ohm and an HD580, nearly identical to the HD600.

SPL from headphones is an important public health issue, especially in NYC where so many people use them on their subway-bus-pedestrian commutes. I think he's perfectly right to educate people, especially young people, who may not understand that hearing damage is cumulative. You don't "get better" after your ears stop ringing, and you're doing damage to your hearing if you exceed certain db thresholds even if your ears never ring.
 
Ha I own a DT-770 80 ohm and an HD580, nearly identical to the HD600.

SPL from headphones is an important public health issue, especially in NYC where so many people use them on their subway-bus-pedestrian commutes. I think he's perfectly right to educate people, especially young people, who may not understand that hearing damage is cumulative. You don't "get better" after your ears stop ringing, and you're doing damage to your hearing if you exceed certain db thresholds even if your ears never ring.

I have a pair of Bose that I absolutely love.

That aside, if all he's doing is making some passing comments about it, that's fine. I just don't want him campaigning about it, or trying to make anything illegal. NYC is already 2 laws away from introducing a Stasi.
 
Ever hear of second hand smoke, Henrin ?
And its society's problem, just ask a deaf man....
Oh, almost forgot , you are a libertarian...
"freedom and liberty forever"
 
I like the intent of the idea but think a better solution would be having the manufacturers make safe products where its not legal to sell audio devices that exceed safe decibel levels without having to jump through hoops first. Smart phones, etc. can be engineered to know when the headphone jack is being used and automatically limit the maximum decibel output, shut off the music and display a warning that can only be over ridden by entering a password indicating the hearer agrees to go deaf in order to blast Beyonce at the loudest possible setting and/or require a parental pass-code to exceed a safe hearing level. Some people already suffer from congenital hearing difficulties and require a louder setting while others use the headphone port to plug their device into other equipment for more complex multi-media applications so an override option is a good idea too. And one real quick tangent: getting good ideas patented is way to complicated and expensive in the country; I just made Apple a few million dollars! :doh

I know of a case where a 14 year old kid has suffered such severe hearing loss due to his mp3 player that his doctor says he now has the hearing of of a 65 year old man.

SPL can't be measured by the output from the audio jack, as each speaker (headphone) will take the power given it and use it to create SPL that you perceive as music more efficiently or less efficiently depending on its design.

Also, higher frequencies are more damaging to hearing than lower frequencies, so overall SPL isn't an ideal indicator of hearing loss potential. Inside a car you are exposed to a lot of low frequency sound, but that frequency range isn't nearly as damaging to hearing as the high pitched whine of a ricer motorcycle engine.

Sorry, SPL = sound pressure level. db = decibel
 
People who would trade liberty for security deserve neither.

If you don't like secondhand smoke, stay outside or visit establishments that are smoke-free by choice of owner.

Just like every liberal - strip away rights and freely hand them over to Big Brother. Life is too hard, and I don't want to have to think every waking moment. Ow, that would make my head hurt.
 
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