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The march towards a police state continues

Are you in favor of a police state with little or no rights?

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Maenad said:
They have not shared that information with me. However, such prescribing is now a class D felony.

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How much more clearly can it be conveyed that the medical industry, is just that - AN INDUSTRY that profits from disease and uses some of those profits to grease politicians to make it illegal to try to use natural remedies to cure disease??? WHY IS THIS BEING ALLOWED? WHO IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB? I'm not in a position to do anything or I would. I know, however that our government was set up in such a way that somewhere, it is SOMEBODY"S job to step in and say "that is not legal - people are allowed to cure themselves anyway they see fit". Is it the attorney general? Who do we fry for this? For allowing such bold violations not only to the constitution, but to humanity???!!!
 
Maenad said:
Here in KY we have KASPER, a drug monitoring database. If you live here, you better pray you are not a cancer patient or a doctor treating a cancer patient. You could both end up in the brokeback prison for the treatment of cancer pain.
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In KY they put people in "brokeback prison" for taking their prescription meds?
 
polgara said:
Good afternoon, Pero.

Excellent quotes. We've been warned! Sad that some don't yet understand...but they will :(
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Most unpleasantly, they will. This is not going away. It's just a matter of stopping it while we still have the illusion of life and liberty, or trying to stop it when life has become very different, family members have been "taken away", and you are now at an extreme disadvantage.
 
polgara said:
Agree 100 percent! It's the "frog in the water slowly coming to a boil" thing. However, I never worried until recently about DC being the enemy...drones spying on us, warrantless searches, incarceration without known reason, going around the Constitution to do what they want, etc. What the hell happened? And why did our State Governors give in to DC? Money promised for compliance with Fed rules? It can't last, because human nature desires to be free. Look at the coups taking place in other parts of the world while we seem to be heading in the opposite direction! Again I ask...what the hell happened? :( My question is rhetorical, but it deserves an answer.
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You mean why is this happening? Because noone thinks it's happening. In other words, Joe Blow will never believe his right to own and drive a car is being taken away until he is pulled over and physically removed, taken to jail and his car taken away. He'll complain about it then - sitting in a jail cell. This is frustrating because we need everybody to wake up if we are going to overcome this. So in a sense, those who are by now predicting the next cliche step towards a totalitarian state may as well just put the blinders back on because we can't act alone.
 
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sKiTzo said:
Most unpleasantly, they will. This is not going away. It's just a matter of stopping it while we still have the illusion of life and liberty, or trying to stop it when life has become very different, family members have been "taken away", and you are now at an extreme disadvantage.
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Well, wherever they take me away to, I hope there's a nice beach nearby

I could use a change of scenery
 
Hatuey said:
Of course you didn't. You're too afraid to be called a an antisemite so you hide behind Israel and conspiring Jew lobbies. I don't expect you to have the intellectual ability to actually deviate from your carefully crafted script explaining a fictional Israeli influence of the US government as negative.
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Your pegging of me is most erroneous. One of my earlier posts in this thread made it clear that my position regarding labeling, especially when talking politics, is not something I partake in. The mere fact that not every "left wing liberal" can agree on every issue, and that a left wing liberal may agree with a right wing radical on one or two issues, renders the labeling useless, unless the goal is to divide the people.

As to your belief that I'm "hiding" behind Israel and "afraid" of being called "antisemite", I can see intuitiveness is not one of your strengths. Trust me when I say that I'm really not one to give a fck about what anybody thinks about anything I say, much less labeling me an antisemite, whatever the fck that is. I DON'T CARE. Obviously, I don't have the belief that would be the prerequisite to use the word "JEW" in the negative or derogatory fashion that you would so like me to. Oh, I would if I did!

And finally, my inference regarding Israeli influence in our government, is not a theory or opinion, it's an observation.
 
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Hatuey said:
If it walks like a duck and quacks like one.
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Then someone like you, not being too concerned with detail and accuracy, would say "it's a duck". I would say "it's something walking and quacking like a duck", until it stopped. Then I'd pick it up, wind it, and send it on its way saying "see, it wasn't a duck".
 
sangha said:
Well, wherever they take me away to, I hope there's a nice beach nearby

I could use a change of scenery
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I imagine there will be train tracks nearby, but no beach.
 
sKiTzo said:
Then someone like you, not being too concerned with detail and accuracy, would say "it's a duck". I would say "it's something walking and quacking like a duck", until it stopped. Then I'd pick it up, wind it, and send it on its way saying "see, it wasn't a duck".
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And yet, you're still an antisemitic pauligan. :shrug:
 
sKiTzo said:
Because the march continues and nothing seems to stand in the way and there are no impeachments or recalls, I'm beginning to think that this must be what Americans want...?
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Are you kidding me? It seems I can't even take a proper sh*t without having to report it.
 
sKiTzo said:
Why would that surprise you? The label implies there should be a place called "Jewland", but since there isn't, we assume it refers to a religion... Judaism? The weird thing about that one is that if that were the case, it should be "Jewdaism", or "Juish". In the bible, the label is used to separate "God's" people from everybody else, leading many to conclude that the bible promotes racism, violence, and genocide.

When we hear about the holocaust, we know the Jews were the ones Hitler didn't like, and Hitler was all about racism - so we assume that the Jews are a human race. Still no cigar. For myself, a So. Cal. native, a "Jew" was a miserly penny pincher who never spent money, and I believe most of us who ever used the term in that context, was not referring to the group of people called the "Jews". We just didn't know any better. I'm still not clear on it. I'm going to research the origin of the word "Jewish" and see what it says.
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Man, your mind is ****ed up.
 
Yes. I would be in favor of a Governmental style where Rights were considerably restricted and instead replaced with Privileges which would be EARNED by the Populace rather than simply granted as a factor of being fortunate enough to be born inside this country.
 
Then, Tigger, our Founders were wrong in treating the people as adults ?
Maybe they were more responsible back in your day ??
I am leaning to be agreeable with you, but the ways things are now is so-so to OK.
Tigger said:
Yes. I would be in favor of a Governmental style where Rights were considerably restricted and instead replaced with Privileges which would be EARNED by the Populace rather than simply granted as a factor of being fortunate enough to be born inside this country.
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As to the "police state" , as advertised, of course, a NO vote...
Who would be that insane to vote YES ?
 
earthworm said:
Then, Tigger, our Founders were wrong in treating the people as adults? Maybe they were more responsible back in your day?? I am leaning to be agreeable with you, but the ways things are now is so-so to OK.
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Our Founding Fathers were incredibly naive in that they believed society would remain based on Morality, Values, and the ideals of their day and age. To that end they failed to include the Duties and Responsibilities of the Citizenry along with the Rights and Freedoms afforded to them. Over the past two centuries our society and culture have become devoid of the ideals of that day and age. We have advanced technologically and retreated morally at about the same pace. Personal Responsibility is only the tip of the iceburg.

earthworm said:
As to the "police state", as advertised, of course, a NO vote... Who would be that insane to vote YES?
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When the citizenry loses its ability to maintain good order in society, someone must step in and fix the problem. I see no other option beyond the Government to do so.
 
Juiposa said:
The likelyhood of the US becoming a police state is so incredibly low. This hyberbolic panic is irritating. Your rights aren't going anywhere. The Gov't is not becoming oppressive. You are not being forced to accept certain ideals. You can still partake in this idiotic hyperbole without persucution. Everything I see points to toward the opposite.

Sit down and shut up. Deal with the problems at hand and stop your paranoid rampages.
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So your idea to assuage this persons fears of being muzzled by the state is to try and muzzle him.

Okaaaaay.


By the way, (though I do not think America is near a police state) if you think that the governments powers have not significantly grown over the past dozen or so years, then you are blind to the obvious.

The state can now tap your phones for little reason, legally assasinate you whenever they see fit and throw you in jail almost indefinitely without charge...all since 9/11.
 
ecofarm said:
You pick. Anything and/or anyone.
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Any non-corrupt government will do. One that will not do all the things that the one we now have does. One that holds its officials accountable for perjury when oathes are broken, One that will restore true law and order.

The thing about our present government that I find most troublesome is the fact that they violate the constitution, international treaties, etc., and they are never held accountable. They pass laws that are so blatantly wrong, like the FDA, for example, is just way out of control. If you thought the FDA was really only there to make sure the medical industry stays highly profitable, and you were worried that because of this you would be labeled a conspiracy theorist, well you no longer need to worry because today they have made it so obvious by raiding companies that sell herbs and natural remedies. Such raids are so grotesquely wrong and illegal. yet nothing ever happens to them.
Anytime a cure (even cancer) appears in a medical journal, they go and "bust" the doctor and do everything they can to suppress the cure.

So, I guess the short answer would be a government that honors the constitution and does not conspire with the medical establishment to suppress cures, goes to war only when absolutely necessary, worries only about building this nation, and for God's sake, one that doesn't obstruct justice by blocking investigations (by executive order) of things like 911 and the Colorado theater shootings. Blocking investigations like that doesn't look good for them.
 
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