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Universal background checks

Do you support universal background checks?


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Roughly ninety percent of Americans support universal background checks. Do you?

If that was really true, then there would be no difficulty at all in getting the Constitution amended in order to supersede the Second Amendment, and to allow the right affirmed therein to be infringed to the degree of requiring these checks as a prerequisite for exercising that right. That no credible effort has been made to propose such an amendment proves that those who claim there is this much support are flat-out lying.
 
Nien, Nyet, Non, and again NO!
 
Roughly ninety percent of Americans support universal background checks. Do you?

not at all because I actually understand gun laws and I know damn well that making me conduct a BGC when i want to give my wife or son or brother a pistol is not going to stop a guy with a long record who has a gun in violation of federal law from giving it to another mope with a record.

I also know that the only way to enforce this is to make us non commercial sellers keep the same records and undergo the same surprise inspections that commercial dealers are subject to
 
If that was really true, then there would be no difficulty at all in getting the Constitution amended in order to supersede the Second Amendment, and to allow the right affirmed therein to be infringed to the degree of requiring these checks as a prerequisite for exercising that right. That no credible effort has been made to propose such an amendment proves that those who claim there is this much support are flat-out lying.

Just remember...."yet". I suspect that we will see just such a bill in the Senate this year. It will almost certainly get shot down in the House but I have no doubt that it will be proposed.
 
While in theory, I have no problem with it, the reality is that universal background checks won't stop a damn thing. For one thing, it won't stop crazy people who steal guns, buy them on the black market, or "borrow" the gun of a friend, neighbor or family member. Most people who have mental problems will not have those mental problems reported to state or federal authorities, due to doctor/patient confidentiality rules. The fact is, the overwhelming majority of mass-shootings we've seen would never have been stopped by a background check, in fact, in many cases, these are people who *PASSED* a background check, got a gun completely legally and still went on a rampage.

It just won't make a difference, sorry.
 
While in theory, I have no problem with it, the reality is that universal background checks won't stop a damn thing. For one thing, it won't stop crazy people who steal guns, buy them on the black market, or "borrow" the gun of a friend, neighbor or family member. Most people who have mental problems will not have those mental problems reported to state or federal authorities, due to doctor/patient confidentiality rules. The fact is, the overwhelming majority of mass-shootings we've seen would never have been stopped by a background check, in fact, in many cases, these are people who *PASSED* a background check, got a gun completely legally and still went on a rampage.

It just won't make a difference, sorry.

and when it stops nothing the gun haters will claim we need

UNIVERSAL compulsory registration of all guns

NO private sales whatsoever

etc to remedy the problems this joke of a law failed to stop
 
and when it stops nothing the gun haters will claim we need

UNIVERSAL compulsory registration of all guns

NO private sales whatsoever

etc to remedy the problems this joke of a law failed to stop

But all of those things are unreasonable, you cannot enforce laws like that. Pass all the laws you like, I can sell my gun to anyone I want to. I can break into a house and steal guns, then go on a rampage. These are really idiotic ideas, but I guess we have to look at where they come from.
 
Roughly ninety percent of Americans support universal background checks. Do you?

This is not a valid yes/no question!

It is like asking "Should we let kids eat ice cream?", yes ocassionally, but not all of the time and no if they are allergic. ;)

This is not a valid poll question since it does not say: HOW these BG checks are done, WHERE these BG checks are done or the USER COST of these BG checks. I support doing these "universal" BG checks ONCE per citizen, upon issue, renewal or update of their state issued, photo IDs by adding a "GUN OK" designation if the NICS database check so indicates. I do not support doing them only at FFL dealers for each gun/ammo sale and at a cost of $35 to $50 per sale.
 
I seriously question that figure. I don't consider a CBS poll to necessarily be unbiased and credible either.

If it IS an accurate poll, I have serious doubts about what that 90% actually knows regarding the issue, and the question.
 
You may as well take a crayon and just scribble over the 2nd and 4th amendments.
 
If that was really true, then there would be no difficulty at all in getting the Constitution amended in order to supersede the Second Amendment, and to allow the right affirmed therein to be infringed to the degree of requiring these checks as a prerequisite for exercising that right. That no credible effort has been made to propose such an amendment proves that those who claim there is this much support are flat-out lying.

WRONG. As is often said about marriage; why buy a cow if you can always get milk under the fence? Many "infringements" exist now with no objections being honored by the courts; CCW permit fees, CHL fees, AWB laws, MCL laws and BG checks at all FFL dealers, CA now mandates BG checks at FFL dealers for all in state sales/transfers for about $35 for one gun.
 
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Sure, as long as:

  1. No registry whatsoever (state/national) is formed
  2. Private sellers have no LEGAL burden to maintain sales records
  3. Public abuse of NICS prevented
  4. It does not require some exorbitant expense to the seller/buyer (currently $2 is ok)
  5. Family ‘transfers’ are exempted
  6. CC’s are exempted


Unfortunately the poll referenced in the OP asks such a generically broad question it renders it useless. UNTIL there is a bill written for review by the poll respondents any current test of support is merely weak supposition.
 
Having at least a background check before purchase is an absolute minimum to me. So yes.
 
All he needed was a driver's license.

Less than a week ago, one reader sent us photos of the assault weapons he had purchased at a gun show without a background check. He then taunted the government to "come take his guns." Today another reader, who spent his Saturday morning fighting the crowds at a Florida gun show, sent us this picture of his purchase.

The 9mm Uzi sold for $1,400. Because the gun was used, and sold by an individual, there was no background check; the only item required for purchase was a local driver's license.

To commenters: Full auto conversion bolts for this weapon are available online. Yes, it's an NFA regulated Class 3 Item and will transfer to your Class 3 dealer on a Form 4 with buyer responsible for paying the $200.00 transfer tax.

The automatic conversion is simple, though. Once it's converted, the Uzi 9mm can shoot up to 600 rounds per minute — in theory.

"This gun is only meant for killing people," the reader said. "It's just a wall of lead. It's so f--king cool!"


Read more: 9mm Uzi Sold At Florida Gun Show No Background Check - Business Insider
 
I do not support them, because 'universal background checks' is much more than what it says, sort of like 'fair share', 'fair wage', 'balanced approach' and so many other terms the left uses to disguise what they actually want.

In the event of UBC's, they want registration. Not just NO, HELL NO.
 
I bet your poll never gets that advertised 90% result. ;)
 
Yes i do. Seems like common sense.
 
So far, in this thread, only two have posted statements to the effect that yes, they support the “universal background check”, though a few others have made postings which seem to imply support.

I think it is very telling that the only two to come out and clearly say that they support both specify their “lean” as “Socialist”. Not surprising in the least, of course, but quite telling.
 
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If that was really true, then there would be no difficulty at all in getting the Constitution amended in order to supersede the Second Amendment, and to allow the right affirmed therein to be infringed to the degree of requiring these checks as a prerequisite for exercising that right. That no credible effort has been made to propose such an amendment proves that those who claim there is this much support are flat-out lying.

You have no way of knowing is they are 'lying' or not.

'lie 2 (l)
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1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
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Lie - definition of Lie by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.


To lie requires intent. Since you cannot possibly know what their inent was (unless they inform you), then there is no possible way you can know if they are lying or not.

They may just be relaying information that is false - without their knowledge that it is false.
 
So far, in this thread, only two have posted statements to the effect that yes, they support the “universal background check”, though a few others have made postings which seem to imply support.

I think it is very telling that the only two to come out and clearly say that they support both specify their “lean” as “Socialist”. Not surprising in the least, of course, but quite telling.


Well, your theory just got blown up because I am definitely for background checks.

And I lean towards Libertarianism in most things (free market, return to gold standard, end the fed/Fannie/Freddie, legalize drugs, small government, minimal regulations, balanced budget) - though not this one obviously.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with a background check to make sure the person is legally eligible to actually own a firearm.
 
Well, your theory just got blown up because I am definitely for background checks.

And I lean towards Libertarianism in most things (free market, return to gold standard, end the fed/Fannie/Freddie, legalize drugs, small government, minimal regulations, balanced budget) - though not this one obviously.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with a background check to make sure the person is legally eligible to actually own a firearm.

According to the Second Amendment, all persons are legally eligible to own a firearm. What is the point in a “background check” to prove that one is entitled to a right that everyone is entitled to, other than to selectively deny that right, just as “poll taxes” and “literacy tests” were used on the past to selectively deny voting rights?
 
According to the Second Amendment, all persons are legally eligible to own a firearm. What is the point in a “background check” to prove that one is entitled to a right that everyone is entitled to, other than to selectively deny that right, just as “poll taxes” and “literacy tests” were used on the past to selectively deny voting rights?

That's your interpretation of the 2'nd Amendment...not mine.

Mine is the 2'nd Amendment is STRICTLY to do with the Militia. So those Americans that are in the miltary/reserves/coast guard should be able to keep their weapons at home and buy them without a background check - everyone else (other then police, security, etc.)? Nope.

And I could care less who or what else interprets the 2'nd Amendment like you.

Imo, mine is right and yours is wrong.


Have a nice day.
 
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