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Universal background checks

Do you support universal background checks?

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Catawba said:
Since they are politically irrelevant, there is no need!
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So you don't need to worry about explaining how ideas that have been done and failed are all of sudden going to work this time around? :lamo
 
Samhain said:
If you are requiring a background check on private sales, or requiring liability insurance for gun owners/sellers, all you are doing is making gun ownership only available to the rich.
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No, what we are doing is making cheap guns less accessible to felons and the mentally deranged in 40 states.

Tens of millions of law abiding people have bought guns after completing a background check.
 
Catawba said:
No, what we are doing is making cheap guns less accessible to felons and the mentally deranged in 40 states.

Tens of millions of law abiding people have bought guns after completing a background check.
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But who pays for the background check? Unless the feds are going to kick in 100% of these new costs, you are going to disenfranchise the poor in regards to firearm acess.
 
Catawba said:
No, what we are doing is making cheap guns less accessible to felons and the mentally deranged in 40 states.

Tens of millions of law abiding people have bought guns after completing a background check.
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How many times do people have to explain to liberals that actions like this cost money and therefore limit access?
 
Henrin said:
How many times do people have to explain to liberals that actions like this cost money and therefore limit access?
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Liberals like taxation, income redistribution and user fees. They fully support anything that includes more federal gov't power and spending (as long as they don't get asked to pay for it). ;)
 
Samhain said:
But who pays for the background check? Unless the feds are going to kick in 100% of these new costs, you are going to disenfranchise the poor in regards to firearm acess.
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That is the opinion of the far right, yep. The great majority of us however see that felons are going to be disenfranchised in the 40 states where they used to be able to buy a cheap gun without a background check.
 
Catawba said:
That is the opinion of the far right, yep. The great majority of us however see that felons are going to be disenfranchised in the 40 states where they used to be able to buy a cheap gun without a background check.
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It's not opinion. Background checks cost money and the poor as you aware have a very limited supply of it.
 
Catawba said:
That is the opinion of the far right, yep. The great majority of us however see that felons are going to be disenfranchised in the 40 states where they used to be able to buy a cheap gun without a background check.
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Ha. Funny. I could buy guns all day long with no background checks. Pass the law, and I could still buy guns all day long with no background check. Maybe one day the left will come up with something that realistically will work to achieve the goal they claim to want to achieve.
 
Fisher said:
Ha. Funny. I could buy guns all day long with no background checks. Pass the law, and I could still buy guns all day long with no background check. Maybe one day the left will come up with something that realistically will work to achieve the goal they claim to want to achieve.
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The point, that the great majority of us see, is that it will not be as easy or as cheap for felons as simply strolling into a gun show in 40 states and strolling out with guns they just payed cash for without a background check.
 
Catawba said:
The point, that the great majority of us see, is that it will not be as easy or as cheap for felons as simply strolling into a gun show in 40 states and strolling out with guns they just payed cash for without a background check.
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Perhaps, but the point I see is that people will still get guns to commit crimes with. I really don't care what you do with gun shows, but the liberal agenda on guns seems no more productive than it was with prohibition when that was tried. Making things more expensive won't make the crime go away--it just induces more crime to get more money. I suppose on a macro level it it a bogus position to assert for the left because they do not want any of that regarding voting and guns are a more personal Constitutional right than voting is.

I think they would be better off just limiting it to magazines in excess of those offered by the manufacturer and then focus on the causes of crime--poverty and the like.
 
Fisher said:
Perhaps, but the point I see is that people will still get guns to commit crimes with.
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They will be harder to get, and criminals and the mentally deranged will have to have more cash to buy them. That's what it is about, reducing the easy accessibility of cheap guns to criminals and the mentally deranged.


I really don't care what you do with gun shows
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Then why are you on this thread?
 
Local marketing show like Trades and Sales connects people locally for all sorts of merchandise.

A category for guns. Locals connect face to face, cash in hand. From time to time, I would
share a gun show table. My selling to an individual is perfectly legal. But dealers with big
inventories and established businesses did the required background checks. Problem with
checks, other then nibbling at the 2nd, is that they will not have impact.
I do hope there is a serious attempt to see if there is a relationship with media
violence and crime in general. With 25% unemployment the Great Depression was a period
of tranquility compared to today. And the very difficult issue of mental illness.
 
Longstreet said:
Local marketing show like Trades and Sales connects people locally for all sorts of merchandise.

A category for guns. Locals connect face to face, cash in hand. From time to time, I would
share a gun show table. My selling to an individual is perfectly legal. But dealers with big
inventories and established businesses did the required background checks. Problem with
checks, other then nibbling at the 2nd, is that they will not have impact.
I do hope there is a serious attempt to see if there is a relationship with media
violence and crime in general. With 25% unemployment the Great Depression was a period
of tranquility compared to today. And the very difficult issue of mental illness.
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That seems to be the consensus among the 10% - 15% of voters that don't support background checks for gun buyers.
 
Catawba said:
They will be harder to get, and criminals and the mentally deranged will have to have more cash to buy them. That's what it is about, reducing the easy accessibility of cheap guns to criminals and the mentally deranged.
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Good Luck with that. Prison and mental institutions are the only thing that will give you the results you seek.





Catawba said:
Then why are you on this thread?
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Because I oppose registration that your side keeps trying to backdoor into the "Closing the Gun Show Loophole" efforts.
 
Fisher said:
Good Luck with that.
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Thanks, with 90% public support, it will get passed sooner or later!



Because I oppose registration that your side keeps trying to backdoor into the "Closing the Gun Show Loophole" efforts.
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I can guarantee you that the GOP will not let registry be part of any background check bill passed.
 
Catawba said:
You are entitled to your opinion.
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Thank you for this...;)

The NRA friendly Bush Justice Department did not choose to prosecute those identified in the NY sting operation. Imagine that..........
I am glad the President has issued an executive order to increase enforcement of existing gun laws.
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OR could it be that the 'sting operators' who had legal authority in NYC had NO authority in Arizona (where the sting was enacted) thus lacking ‘proper law enforcement authority’ being they were trying to enforce FEDERAL statutes? Essentially it would have the same leverage as if you and I went out and performed it (flashback to Gomer Pyle…’citizens arrest’)…

p.s. Kudos to POTUS for the EO directing increased enforcement of EXISTING laws. Wondering why it took 4 years for him to do so...Sandy Hook...REALLY?
 
Catawba said:
Thanks, with 90% public support, it will get passed sooner or later!

Be rational. (Banning drugs has been a big success.)

More interesting to talk about what has happened to our society re: problems of violence?

Most corner hardware stores circa 1900 sold firearms. Even street vendors. It's not the
guns.
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Dickieboy said:
Thank you for this...;)



OR could it be that the 'sting operators' who had legal authority in NYC had NO authority in Arizona (where the sting was enacted) thus lacking ‘proper law enforcement authority’ being they were trying to enforce FEDERAL statutes? Essentially it would have the same leverage as if you and I went out and performed it (flashback to Gomer Pyle…’citizens arrest’)…

p.s. Kudos to POTUS for the EO directing increased enforcement of EXISTING laws. Wondering why it took 4 years for him to do so...Sandy Hook...REALLY?
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Keep reading and you will learn that NY tried to enlist the help of the Bush Justice Dept, and they refused.
 
Longstreet said:
Be rational. (Banning drugs has been a big success.)
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I am being rational. Murder is against the law too yet people are still murdered. Are you advocating making murder legal?

More interesting to talk about what has happened to our society re: problems of violence? Most corner hardware stores circa 1900 sold firearms. Even street vendors. It's not the
guns.
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All the more reason to require background checks for gun purchases, as well as addressing the violence culture in our society.
 
Catawba said:
Keep reading and you will learn that NY tried to enlist the help of the Bush Justice Dept, and they refused.
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Yes, I know. The JD used the same phrases I did in the previous post...hence the quotation marks. I believe their argument has merit as exemplified by my analogy.
 
Catawba said:
That is what 10% - 15% of voters that represent the far right believe.
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Actually it's the reality in states that require universal background checks for all gun sales - like California. Did you know they have a lot of gun crime there?
 
Dickieboy said:
Yes, I know. The JD used the same phrases I did in the previous post...hence the quotation marks. I believe their argument has merit as exemplified by my analogy.
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I disagree.
 
Dammitboy! said:
Actually it's the reality in states that require universal background checks for all gun sales - like California. Did you know they have a lot of gun crime there?
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Because Ca criminals can just drive next door to buy cheap guns at gun shows for cash without a background check. That is why the majority of voters want to close that avenue in 40 states.
 
Samhain said:
If you are requiring a background check on private sales, or requiring liability insurance for gun owners/sellers, all you are doing is making gun ownership only available to the rich.
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A goal which the far wrong has been more open about in the past, than at current.

Look up the history of attempts to ban “junk guns”, AKA “Niggertown Saturday Night Specials”.

Gun control has always been, and will always be about elitism.* As Mao Tse Tsung said, 枪杆子里面出政权 (Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.)

The far wrong favors gun control, because it wants guns—and therefore power—to remain in the hands of its chosen elite ruling class, rather than in the hands of the common people where it rightfully belongs.

It's all about the relationship between the government and the people; and which is to be the master, and which the servant.

The far wrong want government to be the master, and the people to be the servants. We on the far right want the people to be the master,and government to be the servant. That, probably more than anything else, is what makes the far right, right; and what makes the far wrong, wrong.
 
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