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Universal background checks

Do you support universal background checks?

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Catawba said:
Only according to the far right which represent less than 10% of voters.
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go to the question that the so called support comes from: "Do you favor or oppose a federal law requiring background checks on all potential gunbuyers?" doesn't make clear that non dealers would apply to the question.
 
Shadow Serious said:
go to the question that the so called support comes from: "Do you favor or oppose a federal law requiring background checks on all potential gunbuyers?" doesn't make clear that non dealers would apply to the question.
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Catawba said:
Check out the poll by the most respected polling organization I referenced above:

"More than eight-in-ten gun owners support proposals to require background checks on private gun sales and at gun shows."
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Dion said:
I like Israel's laws. In that country ... you better have a gawd damn good reason to want to own a WMD and be prepared to be on a public list so your neighbors and law enforcement know of you ... and your behavior best be stellar. The people who used WMD and mass murdered people in the United States in the past 20 years would not have passed the Israeli scrutiny.
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We are discussing the United States of America and background checks not Israel and their laws and which are not bound by the US Constitution.

The weapons that we are discussing are NOT WMDs even a full auto machine gun is not a WMD. And the only WMDs that mass murdered people in the US are improvised bombs like the Alfred E Murrah Federal building in Oklahoma and the planes that was run into the World Trade Center in NY.


As far as handguns for collection, security or guns for hunting or sport possibly less stringent checks.
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I'm glad that you are one who doesn't think all guns are bad, but keep in mind that some times one will need a weapon with some firepower and penetration like at home.

I support second amendment rights yet I am sick of ***** men that think they need WMD to "feel" safe.
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It is not a matter of "feel" nor just a matter of just men needing the guns.
Oh and idiots ... lock your guns up and quit toting them around in public. Oh and another thought ... all of you who are scared ****less without your weapons ... You cannot bring them with you when you come to the hospitals with your diseases of lifestyle or your wounds of violence.
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And just when I thought you would be reasonable you put up this. From this comment it seems that you would allow people to have guns but they cannot carry them nor have them available if the need arises. Then you imply that the people who want to use their right to bear arms are the same people who have violent lifestyles. Mabye you should consider that those who want to bear arms are not criminally inclined but want to protect themselves and others of those who are thus inclined.

Get a grip people.
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This applies to all people.
 
Shadow Serious said:
go to the question that the so called support comes from: "Do you favor or oppose a federal law requiring background checks on all potential gunbuyers?" doesn't make clear that non dealers would apply to the question.
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What part of "all potential gun buyers" is unclear to you?
 
Catawba said:
Check out the poll by the most respected polling organization I referenced above:

"More than eight-in-ten gun owners support proposals to require background checks on private gun sales and at gun shows."
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The OP is about the poll I quoted. Do you have a link to the poll you are quoting?
 
Catawba said:
What part of "all potential gun buyers" is unclear to you?
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I do not believe that it was clear to the respondents of the survey. No attempt was made to make sure it was to be universal.
 
Shadow Serious said:
I do not believe that it was clear to the respondents of the survey. No attempt was made to make sure it was to be universal.
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Ridiculous argument! Who does "all potential gun buyers" not cover?
 
Catawba said:
Retired Generals and Admirals Demand a Plan to End Gun Violence

"Generals and Admirals know about guns. They've been in the line of fire while protecting our country and preserving our freedoms - and now they're demanding that Congress take action to enact common sense gun laws that will prevent violence and save lives."

See video at link above.
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I think that these Brass Class military members need reminding about their obligations to the Constitution.
 
a poll like this demonstrates rather conclusively how the far right dominates this site out all all proportion compared to their relative size among the general public.
 
Shadow Serious said:
The OP is about the poll I quoted. Do you have a link to the poll you are quoting?
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I told you it was just above. Too much work to look back eh?

Here you go.

Catawba said:
Nope, just the far right:

Most Gun Owners Favor Background Checks for Private Gun Sales | Pew Research Center
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All the polls show the same results. In fact, I challenge you to find a single national poll that shows a majority of voters oppose background checks for all potential gun buyers. I'll wait.
 
Catawba said:
Ridiculous argument! Who does "all potential gun buyers" not cover?
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What is not clear it applying to all potential gun sellers. I assume that the people responding was thinking of just licensed gun dealers or at most including dealers at gun shows.
 
haymarket said:
a poll like this demonstrates rather conclusively how the far right dominates this site out all all proportion compared to their relative size among the general public.
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True that!
 
Catawba said:
I told you it was just above. Too much work to look back eh?

Here you go.



All the polls show the same results. In fact, I challenge you to find a single national poll that shows a majority of voters oppose background checks for all potential gun buyers. I'll wait.
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So far it appears that under the survey by the Pew Research Center did state private gun sales and sales at gun shows having background checks is at 85%. We'll see if it keeps that strong when actual proposals are discussed and the monetary costs of using these background checks are reveled.
 
Shadow Serious said:
I think that these Brass Class military members need reminding about their obligations to the Constitution.
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90% of voters and the admirals and generals do not interpret the Constitution the way the far right does.
 
Shadow Serious said:
So far it appears that under the survey by the Pew Research Center did state private gun sales and sales at gun shows having background checks is at 85%. We'll see if it keeps that strong when actual proposals are discussed and the monetary costs of using these background checks are reveled.
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The Pew Poll shows 85% support among gun owners for background checks for "all potential gun buyers"!
 
Catawba said:
90% of voters and the admirals and generals do not interpret the Constitution the way the far right does.
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The Pew survey did have it as 85% not 90% and with respect to the generals who are more political than the run of the mill military soldier or officer and thus their view of the Constitution is more questionable.
 
Shadow Serious said:
So far it appears that under the survey by the Pew Research Center did state private gun sales and sales at gun shows having background checks is at 85%. We'll see if it keeps that strong when actual proposals are discussed and the monetary costs of using these background checks are reveled.
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... and the NRA and other right wing groups teach their sycophants and toadies what is the preferred stance.
 
Catawba said:
The Pew Poll shows 85% support among gun owners for background checks for "all potential gun buyers"!
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Given that the survey (the PEW one not the one in the OP) was a lengthy one and many of those questions were withheld makes me a little suspicious and I can only think about what those questions were and how it might have managed the survey. Also since it was lengthy that also biases a survey to those who are more inclined to a strong opinion as opposed to the general population.
 
haymarket said:
... and the NRA and other right wing groups teach their sycophants and toadies what is the preferred stance.
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In the same way as Handgun Control and other pro centrist government groups do so with their members? Is it always a matter of control over other people that you suggest. Most people on both sides are quite capable fo thinking about the issues rationally but not so much about thinking it thru to a logical end where such proposal eventually lead.
 
Shadow Serious said:
Given that the survey (the PEW one not the one in the OP) was a lengthy one and many of those questions were withheld makes me a little suspicious and I can only think about what those questions were and how it might have managed the survey. Also since it was lengthy that also biases a survey to those who are more inclined to a strong opinion as opposed to the general population.
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You have yet to explain your confusion as to what "all potential gun buyers" means. My challenge still stands, post any national poll that shows more than marginal opposition to background checks for "all potential gun buyers". If you can not, than your suspicions are a figment of far right imaginings.
 
Shadow Serious said:
In the same way as Handgun Control and other pro centrist government groups do so with their members? Is it always a matter of control over other people that you suggest. Most people on both sides are quite capable fo thinking about the issues rationally but not so much about thinking it thru to a logical end where such proposal eventually lead.
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You miss the point. 2/3 of NRA members have said they favor background checks. So La Pierre goes on a huge media blitz to bring them into line and telling them they are not parroting the party line as expected.

Is there a counter group to the NRA who is doing the same thing to change the opinions of their members after they voiced the "wrong opinion"?
 
apdst said:
No, I don't. I shouldn't have to sacrifice one civil right, in order to excercise another.
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What civil rights do background checks require you to sacrifice?
 
Catawba said:
What civil rights do background checks require you to sacrifice?
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My 4th Amendment rights. It's not the business of a Wal-Mart associate, when they run a background check on me.
 
Catawba said:
You have yet to explain your confusion as to what "all potential gun buyers" means. My challenge still stands, post any national poll that shows more than marginal opposition to background checks for "all potential gun buyers". If you can not, than your suspicions are a figment of far right imaginings.
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I'm not confused about the subject but merely made an observation that the participants on the CBS poll might not have understood what that poll question meant and on the PEW poll there is a question on the undisclosed questions may have influenced the poll. Even if there is popular support for background checks the type of implementation and the cost on the other hand may render it less popular. Also I do not need to show a contrarian poll but show the methodology in these polls render the results as questionable.
 
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