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Universal background checks

Do you support universal background checks?


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I did. I've demonstrated to you that any bipartisan bill that gets passed will have exemptions which make your questions moot.

OH, ok...so when I said 'If I sell one of these ‘unidentified’ firearms to my neighbor and he gets into an altercation with it then informs LEO’s that I sold it to him, I can merely deny it as it is his word against mine' I will get an exemption for that...COOL. Now answer 'Essentially what good is an unenforceable law?' and we will be all good!
 
You're assuming ever criminal is smart and completely forgetting you can figure out what weapon and some times even the serial number from the bullets/shells. I wanna hear some suggestions from you guys because whether you agree with my proposals or not you aren't rational if you don't argue we have a problem we need to solve.
 
OH, ok...so when I said 'If I sell one of these ‘unidentified’ firearms to my neighbor and he gets into an altercation with it then informs LEO’s that I sold it to him, I can merely deny it as it is his word against mine' I will get an exemption for that...COOL. Now answer 'Essentially what good is an unenforceable law?' and we will be all good!

No what I am saying is that it is likely that a small number of individual sales will likely be exempted and is therefore a moot point. Only the far right think it will be unenforceable.
 
Well if criminals aren't able to get guns at guns shows the same way they can't in gun shops then of course we'll see the murder rate go down. It's common sense. In the same way when one day someone threw a rock of an overpass and killed someone we now have barricades on all overpasses. In what way does doing nothing solve anything? And you wouldn't like me if I ran things. The one thing no one in DC mentions is how easy it is lie on a background check. Why don't we improve background checks. Base them around the polygraph so we can root out liars and the mentally unhealthy.

that is horsecrap. there is no evidence that the Brady bill caused crime with guns to decrease.

tell me how the war on drugs has prevented illegal narcotics transactions

and why is it that almost every gun control fan on this board labels themselves far left?
 
You're asking for magical solve all problems solution. I'm suggesting we curb the problem. There is no one solution but any solution is better than the way things are now.
 
No what I am saying is that it is likely that a small number of individual sales will likely be exempted and is therefore a moot point. Only the far right think it will be unenforceable.

tell us how the far wrong thinks it will be enforced

how can you prove when i sold someone a gun i have owned for years?

the only way you can prove it is if the gun was made after the law was passed
 
So you agree that someone dangerous who couldn't buy a gun in a gun shop should be able to easily acquire one at a gun show and go and buy 6,000 rounds on ammo online with paper trail?

Anyone who—through proper due process—can be established to be that dangerous, needs to be removed from free society. Such a person needs to either be put to death, or else confined to a prison or a mental hospital, as appropriate.

Any free American for which no sufficient basis exists to be removed from free society, as described, above is fully entitled to the same Constitutional rights as any other free American.
 
that isn't the parameter used to judge a law

Show us where anytime in the last 19 years that background checks have been ruled to be an infringement of Constitutional rights?
 
You're asking for magical solve all problems solution. I'm suggesting we curb the problem. There is no one solution but any solution is better than the way things are now.
that's just stupid

gun crime has been DECREASING even though the number of guns in private circulation has INCREASED
 
Show us where anytime in the last 19 years that background checks have been ruled to be an infringement of Constitutional rights?

what a silly argument. 8 years ago you would have brayed that DC's ban on handguns was not ruled unconstitutional
 
No what I am saying is that it is likely that a small number of individual sales will likely be exempted and is therefore a moot point. Only the far right think it will be unenforceable.

Ok, I am the far right, explain how it will be enforceable...some detail will be appreciated!
 
Because no gun control will work if not implemented federally. Listen to police chiefs in cities like Chicago and Philly. The laws in those places don't matter when someone can just drive over to the next state and buy firearms. And I agree with you on war on drugs. It was an utter failure and people finally aren't buying into the mythology about marijuana. I still haven't heard any solutions from you, just complaining about what I'm saying. What would you do to solve this you were in charge? Besides nothing because that won't change anything.
 
Ok, I am the far right, explain how it will be enforceable...some detail will be appreciated!

he will probably claim that 85% of those polled think it will work

we have never seen any argument that logically explains that yet

we can make sure dealers conduct BGC because

1) we know what (new) guns they receive
2) they have to record all guns received and sold
3) and if they received a gun and have no record of it being sold they are in trouble
4) and if the did record the sale, the 4473 will have the NICS proceed code on it
 
that's silly. and since I shot my way out of a mugging I have a perspective I doubt you can fathom.


the problem with the schemes that big government fans advance is that they mainly impact law abiding people (which of course is the intent anyway)


Yes, I would agree when it comes to gun laws, the restriction impact the law abiding firearms owners. The criminal don't care what the laws are. There is a part of me that says the government has no right to know what weapons I own or have or those of my neighbors. But the government knows I own a gun because I went down to the probate court and renewed my carry permit. So it probably doesn't matter. I guess it all depends on how much one trusts their own government. But one thing to remember, a gun is nothing more than a tool, much like a hammer or a screw driver. How that tool is used depends on the user. I don't know which side to come down on and in the end it probably doesn't matter. After all, being retired military I am all ready on DHS Janet Napolitano list as a potential terrorist.
 
Because no gun control will work if not implemented federally. Listen to police chiefs in cities like Chicago and Philly. The laws in those places don't matter when someone can just drive over to the next state and buy firearms. And I agree with you on war on drugs. It was an utter failure and people finally aren't buying into the mythology about marijuana. I still haven't heard any solutions from you, just complaining about what I'm saying. What would you do to solve this you were in charge? Besides nothing because that won't change anything.

what crap. you think a war on guns won't be an even bigger failure than a war on drugs. I don't give a damn what police BUREAUCRATS who spend most of their time with their noses up the asses of their anti gun bosses think. 95% of the rank and file (according to a suppressed DOJ study commissioned by Janet Reno in 1996) believed the Brady law was a waste of time. it was as later studies proved.


What I would do is as follows

Get rid of federal gun control laws such as the idiotic Hughes Amendment
get rid of gun free zones
vigorously apply the second amendment to the states as we have the 1st and 4th and 5th.
make the castle law universal
end the war on drugs-there goes 75% of the murders
hammer those who use guns in real crimes of violence
 
Only the far right think it will be unenforceable.

Only the far wrong claim to think (and they are lying when they claim this) that such infringements will do anything to reduce violent crime, or that they would not unacceptably violate the rights of honest citizens.

The far wrong do not care about crime, and they want to violate tbe rights of honest citizens.
 
No. What is wanted is a registration system and high fees.

85% of gun owners do not agree with you.


Currently records must be kept for all BG checks by FFL dealers, that will not "go away".

Why should it? In 19 years it has never been ruled to be an infringement of rights.
 
Yes, I would agree when it comes to gun laws, the restriction impact the law abiding firearms owners. The criminal don't care what the laws are. There is a part of me that says the government has no right to know what weapons I own or have or those of my neighbors. But the government knows I own a gun because I went down to the probate court and renewed my carry permit. So it probably doesn't matter. I guess it all depends on how much one trusts their own government. But one thing to remember, a gun is nothing more than a tool, much like a hammer or a screw driver. How that tool is used depends on the user. I don't know which side to come down on and in the end it probably doesn't matter. After all, being retired military I am all ready on DHS Janet Napolitano list as a potential terrorist.

I have a permit too-the government has no idea the number or the makes and models of the guns I own. and that is the way it should be
 
It has total relevance. It shows trends are not permanent, and bound to change.

and it shows that gun laws have no relevance or impact on such things.

the duty is on people like you to prove the laws you want to foist on the rest of us actually work

be my guest and prove that
 
You're asking for magical solve all problems solution. I'm suggesting we curb the problem. There is no one solution but any solution is better than the way things are now.

Not when the “solution” does nothing to address the problem, while needlessly creating new problems. It is better to do nothing than to do something that only makes things worse.
 
Ok, I am the far right, explain how it will be enforceable...some detail will be appreciated!

The same way all laws are enforced. By arresting and prosecuting those that break the law.
 
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