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Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?[W: 356]

Does "white privilege exist"?

  • Yes, and it is a problem we should fight to fix.

    Votes: 24 33.8%

  • Yes, but it is not an issue. Whites should have first privilege in nations they built.

    Votes: 2 2.8%

  • No, white privilege does not exist

    Votes: 45 63.4%
  • Total voters
    71
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Smeagol said:
In total numbers, yes. As a per capita index or percentage of their group's population, no.
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Irrelevant.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
Try an uniformed guess then. Is it "white" privledge as you call it or more the founding or dominate cultures "institutional advantage". The US was essintially founded by white european christens with paternalistic bent, yes? Does it not stand to reason that a countries foundational culture and morais, is reflected in its institutions and dominate culture? That most every country has a dominate culture, that determines the norms of that country? Would that just be simply the standard dynamic whatever country and its dominate culture and founding precepts. The reason I ask these questions is because I am fairly well traveled, having been to Africa, the Middle East and Europe and most every state of the union barring Alaska and Hawaii. I have experianced the diffent dynamics of different countries and cultures. "Institutional advantage" is what I call it. Its pervasive in every country and culture. Its a natural, abet unfair tendency of man. Fact is whether you like it or not that advantage to some degree is pretty much ALWAYS going to exist in one form or another though not nessearilly in the current forms or by the curent cultures. ALMOST ALL cultures do this. So more so than others. The United States version is actually fairlly mild. We in our country are EXCEPTIONALY mild point of fact. The point I am attempting to make is the "white privaledge" you experiance is not excactly that per say, but more of the dominate culture and its influence on the norms of society and its institutions. So really "white priveledge" as you put it, is nothing more than a phenominom of a currently dominate culture. Take California for instance, the primary culure has been the white protestent paternal version(s). But as of late it has been slowly changing to one more of a hispanic cultural bent. This has to do with the population change we are exepriancing. Right now "Hispanics" and "whites" are at parity with the trend saying toward the end of this year or next the hispanic population exceeding the white population. As that occures the culture will start to focus more to a hispanic mindset and less a white mindset. This is resulting in more hispanic "institutional advantage".
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Sure, as I've said before, every society has groups that are privileged. In some societies that privilege is determined by race, in others it is determined by religion and so on. More often than not, there are many different types of privilege in every society. In the United States, one type of privilege is white privilege and, I agree, such privilege is generally based in the influence that the dominate culture has in the society. This is why I consider people's resistance to acknowledge white privilege so amusing. It's really not that controversial. Every society has privileged groups - the white population is one of the groups in the United States.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Does Black Privilege exist in professional Basketball?

It's not privilege, it's ability. Have you ever tried to explain a simple concept to someone who is unable to understand, simply cannot grasp easy thoughts? Cannot grasp relationships between words because they cannot learn word meanings?

For most, ability to obtain higher income or success in a free country is directly correlated to your intelligence and, to a certain extent, your education.

America no longer has a huge number of jobs that don't require intelligence or ability to understand concepts, this is a technological age and many do not succeed because of their comparatively low level of innate intelligence. Many do not have the innate ability to learn how to spell, to write or to work simple arithmetic problems. Many cannot learn to speak correctly according to the rules of grammar.

While that particular difference in races is forbidden to speak about, it is exactly why many will never succeed or advance. It is survival of the fittest in a free, technological society.
 
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ReformCollege said:
#6 what are those origins, the cite I showed says it's mostly genetic in nature.

at least I can't say you're a hypocrite on the issue.
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I'm not really interested in getting to a discussion about why you think certain races are inherently less intelligent than others. The answer to that question is far more complicated than I'm interested in dealing with, it won't end well for anyone and it's off topic. If you want to talk about white privilege, then I'll do that, but I'm not interested in where you're taking this.
 
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Ray410 said:
Have you ever tried to explain a simple concept to someone who is unable to understand, simply cannot grasp easy thoughts?
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The story of my life - or at least my life in this thread.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
Race is not a social construct. It is a natural phenomenom that influences social action and thinking.
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it only influences social action and thinking because people socially construct it too
 
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Arbo said:
The downfall of our society is progressing forward due to idiocy like this...
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Translation: you have nothing logical, honest, objective or intelligent to defend your stance LOL

its ok, FACTS disagree with your nonsensical, false opinion :shrug:

if you disagree with my statement, by all means please use facts to prove it wrong, id LOVE to read them
 
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ReformCollege said:
#6 what are those origins, the cite I showed says it's mostly genetic in nature.

at least I can't say you're a hypocrite on the issue.
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Debate on IQ tests themselves aside, the differences you note are deceptive.

The IQ variance in ANY group is much greater than that BETWEEN any group.

A sad minority want to make it about superiority of one group over another but want to ignore the superiority of others in their own group.

I've always said the top 10% could easily dominate the bottom 40% or so and most of the latter wouldn't even know it.

I consider it wise to keep an eye on the very bright, and I count myself among their complement.

And I would advise those who feel better about themselves because their GROUP tests higher on IQ tests, to accept the fact that statistically there are members of those groups they feel superior to who could beat them at Jeopardy every day. Handily.
 
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There is also a minority privilege that exists but it does not near equal the historically entrenched Caucasian variety. The problem is the conscious bias of it is rarely exhibited enough to be called out, making it almost impossible to address as an open agenda. As long as people draw into social groupings due to ethnicity, skin color, political parties, idealism and financial networks there will always be stigmas, bigotry and intolerance's from all sides. What we all share and should always keep as our base value is that we're humans with weaknesses who need to treat each other fairly and as equals.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

White privilege exists to the same extent that good looking, physically fit, well groomed, well mannered, well educated, experienced, clean, prompt and courteous privilege exist. All other things being relatively equal, yes that "trait" may hold some sway.

One can certainly find examples of racism, but one can also find examples of every other "prejudice" that I have mentioned. Life is not fair and no amount of law making, mandating and affirmative action will ever change that, in fact, it may have the opposite effect - reenforcing the idea that basic inferiority actually exists or those non-white males would not need special help to compete.

Take any large group of folks and place them in a fairly boundless space, e.g. a beach, and see if they do not tend to "self segregate" by age, social class, gender, married/single, education and yep, even race. People tend to favor the familiar and will often choose it over the unknown - is that not simply wise and learned social behavior?
 
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What if...? said:
Debate on IQ tests themselves aside, the differences you note are deceptive.

The IQ variance in ANY group is much greater than that BETWEEN any group.

A sad minority want to make it about superiority of one group over another but want to ignore the superiority of others in their own group.

I've always said the top 10% could easily dominate the bottom 40% or so and most of the latter wouldn't even know it.

I consider it wise to keep an eye on the very bright, and I count myself among their complement.

And I would advise those who feel better about themselves because their GROUP tests higher on IQ tests, to accept the fact that statistically there are members of those groups they feel superior to who could beat them at Jeopardy every day. Handily.
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I never said I'm smarter because im a part of a group with a higher iq. A 100 iq is the same regardless of race.

My iq has been tested, I don't need to say I'm smarter because I'm white, that's just ignorant.

And you're absolute right. Consider for example group A and group B, both with 5 people each.
Group A's 5 people test at 80, 95, 110, 120 and 140.
Group B's 5 people test at 80, 85, 100, 115, and 140.
Group A is has both a higher median and average, and can be considered the smarter group. but that doesn't mean everyone in group A is smarter then everyone in group B, and the smartest of both groups is roughly the same.

I'd say it's even unfair to divide people into these groups and call one better then the other. But if you want to talk about "privilege" when referring to these groups, then you have to talk about intelligence as well considering intelligences high correlation with success.

I'd ask what do you mean keep an eye on the intelligent? Hold them back? Intelligence is the single most important determinant of success. If you want to ignore intelligence and it's importance, I'd say you're putting your head in the sand.

What we shouldn't do, is call someone better because they are intelligent. Intelligence merely explains the results, and thr results speak for themselves.
 
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Objective-J said:
Translation: you have nothing logical, honest, objective or intelligent to defend your stance LOL

its ok, FACTS disagree with your nonsensical, false opinion :shrug:

if you disagree with my statement, by all means please use facts to prove it wrong, id LOVE to read them
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You fail at translation... another part of that downfall of society. Disagree with your statement? I have yet to see you make a statement.

I stated the truth that more white people are 'non advantaged' than any other 'race'... this is simply a fact. You don't like it, then go ahead and put up your daily kos or mother jones nonsense... entertain us with BS...
 
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While high intelligence, as measured by IQ tests, does not in and of itself, guarantee success or even staying out of prison, low intelligence is a virtually insurmountable stumbling block to meaningful employment, education, reason, etc., etc. Covering this up instead of addressing it will insure that the problems caused by this will never be corrected.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

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White privilege is a accusation of circumstantial evidence which is entirely based on race. Its a assumption of guilt with no trial. Its a blame game that blames people of being a certain way because of their race. The end result is this: I cant say that I am proud of being white without sounding like a white supremacist. So why cannot I be proud of my race and all other races can be? Is it because of the bad apples? All races are equal we all have bad apples.

There is nothing wrong with white people treating other white people with favoritism. All races do it why cant white people do it as well? Is it because in America whites are the majority? Guess what globally whites are the minority. North America is predominantly white because this is where the white people migrated to from Europe. In from Mexico through out South America Hispanics are the majority because that is where the Spanish migrated too.

In other words dont confuse racism with racial identity. The country is geared for whites because the majority is white. In other countries where another race is the majority those countries are geared for those races. It sections of the US where a region is no a majority of whites that region is geared for the majority race of that region.

Of course racism is alive and strong in modern America and despite the best efforts to curb racism by all races I am sure there will always be racism. But things are not stagnant today is much different than when I was a kid.
 
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Arbo said:
1.)You fail at translation... another part of that downfall of society. Disagree with your statement? I have yet to see you make a statement.

2.)I stated the truth that more white people are 'non advantaged' than any other 'race'... this is simply a fact. You don't like it, then go ahead and put up your daily kos or mother jones nonsense... entertain us with BS...
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weird you still havent posted any facts at all that prove my statement wrong

1.) another lie and nonsensical deflection that doenst change facts
2.) yes there are more NUMBER wise, which is meaningless to the conversation :shrug: :laughat:

example Shaq made MORE shots than Bird both count wise and percentage that doesnt mean shaq was a better shooter.

You see its not my fault you have no clue what stats actually mean or how to accurately use them.

poor white people has ZERO to do with the fact that white privileged exists.

so you are still factually wrong LOL

and who is us, i only see YOU saying that because there is more poor white people than poor black people it means white privileged doesnt exist. NOBODY else is saying that. You know why because your conclusion is factually wrong LOL

the irony of you trying to use failed insults and you referring to the downfall of society when you are factually wrong and you are not educated enough on this topic to know how to properly and accurately understand stats, reality and correlation.

Please continue this is hilarious.

Since you disagree with facts, AGAIN, PLEASE, explain to me how having more poor white people than black people means that white privileged doesnt exist LOL I cant wait to read this.
 
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Objective-J said:
weird you stal havent posted any facts at all that prove my statement wrong
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Punctuation and spelling do not run strong in this one.

As said before, you haven't made a statement... you keep putting out loads of spin, but that's about it.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
You said that you were going to "tear apart" my sources. All you've done is give your unsubstantiated opinions on the subjects I put in bold while I provided you with ample research that you clearly haven't examined. All of the research I provided you handles your response so whenever you feel like being less ignorant, you should read them. But I'm sure as hell not about to go through all of your lazy, unsubstantiated opinions after I went through the trouble of getting you genuine research only to have you not even attempt to seriously consider it. I will, however, address one of your points though because it amuses me.

You asked me why the psychological effects of prejudice are about white privilege. Well, white privilege is defined as the advantages that whiteness provides over non-whiteness whether those advantages are material, social, legal, psychological or some other category. That you would ask me what do "the psychological effects of prejudice" have to do with white privilege illustrates your ignorance on the subject. Anyone who has done even a minimal amount of research on the subject wouldn't have asked that question. So just as white people have the advantage of not dealing with systemic discrimination; they have the advantage of not dealing with the well-researched psychological effects of systemic discrimination.

You've done two things in this "discussion": 1) Proved that you are uninformed about white privilege. 2) Proved that you don't want to be informed about white privilege. I can't work with someone who doesn't even want to learn so this will be my last response to you. You have a good amount of research. I've done all I can do. I genuinely hope that you will do more research into the subject instead of just assuming that you have knowledge that you don't.

“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.” ― Stephen Hawking
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Those "opinions" are based on logic and truth. And your own sources which agree with what I said, so I did not have to post anything. You did it for me.

As soon as your own sources disagree with me, let me know. They also say it's about money.

Typical liberal blame the white man for blacks inability to succeed. It is blacks fault and our fault alone at this point.

The only ignorance here is your own.

You need to remove the log form your own eye.
 
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Arbo said:
Punctuation and spelling do not run strong in this one.

As said before, you haven't made a statement... you keep putting out loads of spin, but that's about it.
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1.) another deflection that shows your desperation and inability to defend your false opinion

2.) this is another lie, why do you lie so much? i have made statements and you have yet to prove them wrong

this is way you keep dodging my questions, you know you have no logic to defend your false statements, you have been thoroughly exposes LMAO


statement 1) White privilege does factually exists, we can argue how much, to what extent but its alive and well.

statement 2.) white people being poor doesnt change the fact white privilege exists, especially based on just raw numbers. Just like obama being president doesnt change the fact racism exist, Woman senators doesnt change the fact that misogyny exists, thats the most nonsensical thing i have ever heard.

Prove any of those facts wrong, im waiting :)

Ill also ask my question that you keep dodging again.

Question 1) Since you disagree with facts, AGAIN, PLEASE, explain to me how having more poor white people than black people means that white privileged doesnt exist LOL I cant wait to read this.
 
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Objective-J said:
1.) another deflection that shows your desperation and inability to defend your false opinion
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I simply do not fall for your race bating games. I understand there are many out there like Sharpton, and it appears you are just one of the many. So keep playing up the divisiveness and hate, clearly there is nothing else there. Neither your name or tag line are based in reality, so we really should expect your post to be either.

It's so pathetic you and so many others believe this sort of stuff:

Saturday Night Live - White Like Me - Video - NBC.com
 
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Arbo said:
1.)I simply do not fall for your race bating games.
2.)I understand there are many out there like Sharpton, and it appears you are just one of the many.
3.)So keep playing up the divisiveness and hate, clearly there is nothing else there. Neither your name or tag line are based in reality, so we really should expect your post to be either.

4.) It's so pathetic you and so many others believe this sort of stuff:

Saturday Night Live - White Like Me - Video - NBC.com
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1.) theres no games its fact, how could it even be about race when i used women and minority examples in the same light :lamo FAIL

thats makes NO sense, your points are so dishonest and nonsensical its hilarious.

2.) SHaprton is a fool and has nothing to do with the topic. FAIL

3.) FAIL another lie and deflection

4.) its pathetic you ignore facts, lie and STILL cant back up your false claims, prove the facts wrong and STILL dodge the questions LMAO

Maybe you next post will be better and actually continue proof and or facts of your claims. SO far you have ZERO. This great entertainment!

ill just repost this AGAIN
statement 1) White privilege does factually exists, we can argue how much, to what extent but its alive and well.

statement 2.) white people being poor doesnt change the fact white privilege exists, especially based on just raw numbers. Just like obama being president doesnt change the fact racism exist, Woman senators doesnt change the fact that misogyny exists, thats the most nonsensical thing i have ever heard.

Prove any of those facts wrong, im waiting

Ill also ask my question that you keep dodging again.

Question 1) Since you disagree with facts, AGAIN, PLEASE, explain to me how having more poor white people than black people means that white privileged doesnt exist LOL I cant wait to read this.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Objective-J said:
Since you disagree with facts, AGAIN, PLEASE, explain to me how having more poor white people than black people means that white privileged doesnt exist LOL I cant wait to read this.
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When people use phrases like "white privilege", they make it sound universal - like you were born with a leg-up in the race by simply being white. You don't. In fact, in many areas, you are disadvantaged, and I named several.

About the only "privilege" is that you are around more people with a similar hue - which really isn't an advantage because many of them are apologists for having that hue. Where some people don't see race as a defining factor, you have others who are determined to gut-punch other whites in order to display "tolerance". Mentalities like that are what got an inexperienced, underqualified junior Senator to a presidency.
 
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Gipper said:
When people use phrases like "white privilege", they make it sound universal - like you were born with a leg-up in the race by simply being white. You don't. In fact, in many areas, you are disadvantaged, and I named several.

About the only "privilege" is that you are around more people with a similar hue - which really isn't an advantage because many of them are apologists for having that hue. Where some people don't see race as a defining factor, you have others who are determined to gut-punch other whites in order to display "tolerance". Mentalities like that are what got an inexperienced, underqualified junior Senator to a presidency.
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well i DEFINITELY agree with part of this, its not UNIVERSAL that why I said multiple times we can argue how much, when and where it takes place but not IF it takes place.


the fact remains it still exists though, its alive and well, relevant and obvious, and more than just having the same hue, in america today.
 
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Objective-J said:
well i DEFINITELY agree with part of this, its not UNIVERSAL that why I said multiple times we can argue how much, when and where it takes place but not IF it takes place.


the fact remains it still exists though, its alive and well, relevant and obvious, and more than just having the same hue, in america today.
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It seems like what we're talking about though is "thought control" and the more you attempt to corral peoples free thinking the more it backfires, regardless of how well intentioned. Ignorance is not just learned but it's imitated and sometimes willfully chosen.
 
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grip said:
It seems like what we're talking about though is "thought control" and the more you attempt to corral peoples free thinking the more it backfires, regardless of how well intentioned. Ignorance is not just learned but it's imitated and sometimes willfully chosen.
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who is we? not a smart question just want to know what and who i am addressing?
what thought control?
free thinking? everybody still has that ablity

id say the super vast majority of intelligent and honest people that are honestly objective and not already biased, bigoted, racist ect, never choose to be ignorant.

im not sure what you are saying and how it applies to my post or points in this thread, though you may not have read them all either.
 
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Objective-J said:
well i DEFINITELY agree with part of this, its not UNIVERSAL that why I said multiple times we can argue how much, when and where it takes place but not IF it takes place.


the fact remains it still exists though, its alive and well, relevant and obvious, and more than just having the same hue, in america today.
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Okay, I'll split the difference with you - I'll admit to the existence of white privilege if you admit to the existence of non-white privilege.

For some things in America, it's better to be a white male. For others, it's better not to be a white male.

Deal?
 
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