Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?[W: 356]

Heebie Jeebie · Feb 20, 2013

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If this guy had 'White Privilege' then I'm pretty sure it's not a benefit.

ThePlayDrive · Feb 20, 2013

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Zyphlin said:
I was speaking of areas in a larger sense, similar on scale to the United States rather than going to a micro level of neighborhoods. That said, I would say some aspects of "privledges" does exist in those things, specifically in terms of the notion of "default status". It's funny, your attempts at grasping onto exceptions in those instances mirror those who attempt to do so on the other side on a national level.

I don't know what you mean by "grasping onto exceptions." I don't consider anything that I referenced to be an "exception." I consider those things to be "the rule." I consider what you wrote to be exceptions. That was, in part, my point.

I think that's a pretty ingenious debate tactic there...immedietely belittle the opinion of a pocket of people who disagree with you based on their race. I don't believe it's any easier for a white heterosexual male to say than it is for a non-white, non-heterosexual, or non-male to say the opposite. Unlike you, I don't belittle their opinion due to that.

Nope, not a debate tactic at all. It's easier for people to say that there don't need to be extreme efforts to solve problems that don't adversely affect them. Because you are a white heterosexual male, it's easier for you to dismiss "strong endeavors" to fix inequality that doesn't have a significant impact on you. Whether you want to admit or not, who and what we are (race, gender, nationality, class, sexuality, etc.) forms much of our experience and, in turn, much of our worldview. I was hoping that you might take an honest look at how your race (and gender and sexuality) may be affecting your perception of this, but instead you just dismiss the potential that who and what you are might be limiting your perspective.

Culture has changed. That's not speaking from bias, but from casual observation. The successively younger generation tends to have a more neutral outlook in terms of race and exhibit less, and less severe, acts of active or even passive institutionalized prejudice. Is it all gone? Absolutely not. Notice I even stated such in my post. But our society is well beyond the levels of the 40's or 50's, and even the 80's and 90's, especially when you look at the generational pockets which came into adulthood during the later decades. Is it progressed to where it ultimatley needs to go? But then again, my actual POST never suggested that.

You should read my post again. I specifically said that culture has changed, that discrimination is lower and that we've made progress. I did not take issue with your claim that culture has changed. I took issue with the extent to which you argued it has changed.

Good thing I stated "There comes a time" suggesting that said time has no arrived yet. Perhaps you should read peoples posts rather than seeing a general stance and immedietely making assumptions and stereotypes of what they think in such a prejudice manner.

I read your post quite well, actually, but I appreciate your concern. Within the context of your post, it looked to me like you were talking about the present. Since you weren't, it was basic miscommunication (which I attribute to your lack of clarity where you attribute it to my lack of reading). In any case, it happens. /shrug

Which I never said. There's a difference between acknowledging it and acknowleding it in a realistic manner. I agree, few acknolwedge that progress has been made. I believe that a far larger number however don't acknowledge the amount and level of progress has been made because doing so does not suit the political agenda.

Like I said, there are few people who don't acknowledge "the amount and level of progress that has been made." I don't why you replied to me by saying, "I never said that" because you just said it again. Are you really criticizing my comment because I didn't include the adjective "realistically" in my response. If so, then "realistically" was implied in my criticism of your argument. I figured that was obvious given. /shrug

It seems to me that you're taking issue with people who don't acknowledge the amount and level of progress that you think has been made which is separate from the progress that has actually been made. By that I mean, considering the language you've chosen in your posts to describe cultural change, I think you've overestimated the progress that has been made.

Question: What, in your opinion, is "the amount and level of progress that has been made" that a large number of people refuse to acknowledge?

Like many movements...from the Civil Rights to the Tea Party...they are political in nature and are leveraged for that reason, typically starting with good intentions but also realizing that losing any amount of zeal, emotion, or severity lessens the power of said movement. And thus, the fires must be stoked as if every past success is both momentous AND irrelevant in terms of the problem being faced. This is an unrealistic acknowledgement of the situation in my mind. You don't believe my criticisms are relevant; that's fair, that's your right. However, with the whole sale stereotyping and blatant prejudice you've displayed in your post by routinely stereotyping me out of a bigoted connotation that seemingly all those who believe a particular view point must hold certain beliefs and views, forgive me if I don't believe much of what you post or state is relevant to me either.

"Bigoted"? Huh. Like I said before, our worldviews are determined, in part, by who and what we are which includes our race, gender, sex, sexuality, nationality and other factors. You, as a white heterosexual male, are more able to be unaware of the realities that primarily affect non-white, etc. people simply because you don't often have direct experience with many of the things they face because their race, gender, etc.. For me to say that isn't "bigotry" or anything of the sort. It's a simple fact, period. Now, this doesn't mean that you can't be informed - there are plenty of white heterosexual males that are informed. However, your posts lead me to believe that you aren't.

On the same note, you know what I've noticed, the group of people who tend to get upset the MOST when others say the race, gender, sexuality, et al. may impact one's perception of things like white privilege, sexism, discrimination, etc. is white heterosexual Christian males. Women, non-whites, gay people and the like are, on average, rarely upset about that argument. Why do you think that is? And try not answer that question from an emotional place even though it's a question that deals with an emotional topic.

Tucker Case · Feb 20, 2013

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Gipper said:
Still a conglomerate of ingredients and flavors though.

Yet, one can easily be the dominant one.

So white culture is...professionalism?

No, white culture defines what it is that you consider to be "professionalism". "Professionalism" is not an objective term.

Stability?

Again, white culture has defined what you consider to be "stability".

That really speaks to other cultures if that specifically describes whites.

Except that you failed to realize that you were using subjective terms as though they were objective ones. That assumption is an excellent example of white privilege. You might consider one thing to be "professional" while it is deemed exceptionally unprofessional in another culture. Shaking a client's hand, for example. You might consider th enuclear family to be "stability" but someone from a collectivist culture with ancestor worship would consider it extremely unstable.

The fact that white people ignorantly assume that their concepts are universal is, of course, white privilege in action.

Then I'm oblivious.

Of course. That much was obvious.

That pretty much hits upon what I suggested earlier - that "white culture" is essentially a huge blend.

So is black culture. :shrug: There are often more differences within cultures than there are between them.

If rap isn't considered specifically part of black culture anymore, it must be because white people have adopted it, at least in part.

It is considered a part of black culture. It doesn't define black culture, though.

Kinda hoping that was a joke.

No more or less than the teen pregnancy comment was.

As he should be, as it's not a reflection of "sounding black", but "sounding uneducated".

Why do you get to define what "sounding uneducated" means? Why is it that using a black dialect makes someone sound "uneducated" to you?

It's the same thing in reverse - black people are considered to be "talking white" if they use proper inflection, grammar, subtext...and use 3 syllables in "ignorant".

First of all, white Americans of all education levels use improper inflection, grammar, and subtext all the time. Ask a brit. You define it as "proper" because it is what the dominant culture (i.e. white culture) has decided is "proper", not because it is objectively proper.

Blacks themselves use "black" as a negative and "white" as a positive, purely from an academic or intellectual standpoint.

White privilege in action. When people begin to actually think their cultural norms are bad, and that the other cultures norms are good, it doesn't get anymore pervasive than that. Especialy when those norms are entirely arbitrary.

Do whites really need to bend over backwards to tell them that they can achieve the American dream too?

Who's saying white people should do anything for blacks? I know I'm not. I'm talking about being aware of reality and recognizing the existance of white privilige, nothign more. no need to pretend that being aware counts as bending over backwards.

I know that Affirmative Action had positive intentions, but these days it has negative applications - not in and of itself, but because legislation keeps getting heaped upon it that unevens the playing field on the side of employers. This is why words like "token" exist - because we have to hire not based on merit, but because of some sort of governmental "boogeyman" that says we need X and Y, even if it's a detriment.

What you don't seem to be aware of, though, is that affirmative action is a red herring in a discussion about the existence of white privilege.

Gipper · Feb 20, 2013

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Tucker said:
No, white culture defines what it is that you consider to be "professionalism". "Professionalism" is not an objective term.

Again, white culture has defined what you consider to be "stability".

Professionalism might be subjective, but perception of it isn't. Do you think if you went into a court where a black man was presiding, you'd be okay if you had on a "do rag", or a Mexican judge would allow a bandanna? Also, do you think one parent and multiple kids is stable? That's not even remotely subjective.

Why do you get to define what "sounding uneducated" means? Why is it that using a black dialect makes someone sound "uneducated" to you?

Oh God, you're not one of those people who thinks ebonics is a real language, are you? It's not a dialect, it's not jargon, to an extent it's not even about slang. I'm talking about the fact that a lack of knowledge in a subject is "ignit". I'm talking about "you are" being replaced with "you is". I'm talking about a number of other things that is intentionally done to deviate from proper English, because that would make you some sort of Uncle Tom. Dialect? Who are you trying to kid?

First of all, white Americans of all education levels use improper inflection, grammar, and subtext all the time. Ask a brit. You define it as "proper" because it is what the dominant culture (i.e. white culture) has decided is "proper", not because it is objectively proper.

I'm sure that there are plenty of grammatical errors that even educated people can succumb to, but many are obscure. A damned first grader knows how to use the proper helping verb.

Who's saying white people should do anything for blacks? I know I'm not. I'm talking about being aware of reality and recognizing the existance of white privilige, nothign more. no need to pretend that being aware counts as bending over backwards.

Very well, I guess you're right. I suppose that the next time I have an interview with an employer who graduated from Grambling State, I'll pull my pants down to show off my asscrack, fist-bump him and greet him with "Sup". If that's cultural bias, you can have it. I'll stick with what you call "white privilege".

Lethargic Aptitude · Feb 20, 2013

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Gender, Age, Race/Ethnicity
Among all sheltered individuals over the course of a year (October 2009-September 2010)
iii
:
• 62% were male
• 38% were female
• 21.8% are under age 18
• 23.5% are 18-30
• 37% are 31 to 50
• 14.9% are 51 to 61
• 2.8% are 62 or older
• 41.6% are White, Non-Hispanic
• 9.7% are White, Hispanic
• 37% are Black/African-American
• 4.5% are other single races;
• 7.2% are multiple races

http://homeless.samhsa.gov/ResourceFiles/hrc_factsheet.pdf

Homelessness Resource Center

These numbers show that White males are the predominant population that is homeless in the US. But there are plenty of racists in any race. No race is innocent.

VanceMack · Feb 20, 2013

Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Tucker Case said:
So? Surely you aren't trying to say that being a minority causes one to commit or become the victim of a crime?

What "reality" am I avoiding? The facts are as follows: The crimes occurred in the poorest neighborhoods in Chicago. The poorest neighborhoods in Chicago are almost entirely populated by minorities. The causal factor for the crime, though, is socio-economic, not racial.

How, exactly, do you think that those facts help your argument against the existence of white privilege?

Until people are willing to actually address ALL factors including WHO is committing those crimes, they will never end and those communities will continue to suffer. You have no problem exploring the impact of race...as long as you can use it your ever emerging 'sensitive' liberal guy persona. Race matters...when it is white people. Race isnt a factor...when it is 70,000 people terrorizing their own communities. Cuz...poor dears...its not their fault. Its 'white privilege' that is oppressing them.

No wonder those communities have been remain and forever will be ****ed...what with all the 'help' they get.

Gipper · Feb 20, 2013

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FreedomFromAll said:
Gender, Age, Race/Ethnicity
Among all sheltered individuals over the course of a year (October 2009-September 2010)
iii
:
• 62% were male
• 38% were female
• 21.8% are under age 18
• 23.5% are 18-30
• 37% are 31 to 50
• 14.9% are 51 to 61
• 2.8% are 62 or older
• 41.6% are White, Non-Hispanic
• 9.7% are White, Hispanic
• 37% are Black/African-American
• 4.5% are other single races;
• 7.2% are multiple races

http://homeless.samhsa.gov/ResourceFiles/hrc_factsheet.pdf

Homelessness Resource Center

These numbers show that White males are the predominant population that is homeless in the US. But there are plenty of racists in any race. No race is innocent.

This is a thread about race. Statistics do not belong here.

Check them at the door, and just come in here with conjecture and opinion.

ThePlayDrive · Feb 20, 2013

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FreedomFromAll said:
Gender, Age, Race/Ethnicity
Among all sheltered individuals over the course of a year (October 2009-September 2010)
iii
:
• 62% were male
• 38% were female
• 21.8% are under age 18
• 23.5% are 18-30
• 37% are 31 to 50
• 14.9% are 51 to 61
• 2.8% are 62 or older
• 41.6% are White, Non-Hispanic
• 9.7% are White, Hispanic
• 37% are Black/African-American
• 4.5% are other single races;
• 7.2% are multiple races

http://homeless.samhsa.gov/ResourceFiles/hrc_factsheet.pdf

Homelessness Resource Center

These numbers show that White males are the predominant population that is homeless in the US. But there are plenty of racists in any race. No race is innocent.

Are you trying to make a point?

Tucker Case · Feb 20, 2013

Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Gipper said:
Professionalism might be subjective, but perception of it isn't.

It's determined by culture.

Do you think if you went into a court where a black man was presiding, you'd be okay if you had on a "do rag", or a Mexican judge would allow a bandanna?

No, because all headwear is banned in courtrooms.

Also, do you think one parent and multiple kids is stable?

Depends. One parent with multiple other adults living in the home, such as grandmothers and aunts, can be far more stable than many nuclear families.

The fact that you assume nuclear family is the same thing as stable shows your cultural biases.

That's not even remotely subjective.

Except for the fact that it is subjective, since you are making many assumptions.

Oh God, you're not one of those people who thinks ebonics is a real language, are you?

It's as real as any other American dialect of English.

It's not a dialect

It is very ironic that you talk about using "proper" grammar, yet use this word incorrectly yourself. No definition of the word "dialect" exists where ebonics does not qualify as a dialect.

I'm talking about the fact that a lack of knowledge in a subject is "ignit".

Why do you care how they pronounce ignorant? British people don't really care that you mispronounce aluminium by only having four syllables it it. why are your nipples so chafed over black people's pronunciation of ignorant?

I'm talking about "you are" being replaced with "you is".

And I'm talking about how Americans end sentences with prepositions and such.

I'm talking about a number of other things that is intentionally done to deviate from proper English, because that would make you some sort of Uncle Tom. Dialect? Who are you trying to kid?

Again, profound irony where you intentionally deviate from proper English in order to make a point about how others doing so somehow means they do not have a dialect, despite the fact that no definition of the word "dialect" exists (in any dialect of English) which would support your claim.

It's funny when people do that. Prove their own ingnance in order to claim others is bein' ignint.

I'm sure that there are plenty of grammatical errors that even educated people can succumb to, but many are obscure.

They certainly aren't obscure to those of us who are aware of them. And definitely not to people who speak the Queen's.

A damned first grader knows how to use the proper helping verb.

Most of them don't actually. they simply repeat what they hear in the way that they hear it.

Very well, I guess you're right. I suppose that the next time I have an interview with an employer who graduated from Grambling State, I'll pull my pants down to show off my asscrack, fist-bump him and greet him with "Sup".

Did I mention that impotent rage is also a part of white culture, these days? They've cornered the market on that and feigned victimhood.

My question is why do you present this utterly retarded strawman, though? Why would you change your behaviors in any way simply because someone else might be a part of a different culture? That would be retarded.

You are smarter than that.

I'll stick with what you call "white privilege".

The ability to stick your head in the sand and pretend white culture doesn't exist is also a benefit of white privilege.

Carleen · Feb 20, 2013

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Gipper said:
I sound like an extreme conservative instead of a libertarian for wanting to abolish useless legislature that creates a more meritocratic society.

Funny - you sound like a liberal when you say that.

I am a liberal and proud of it!

Gipper · Feb 20, 2013

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Carleen said:
I am a liberal and proud of it!

I know. You sound like it.

Tucker Case · Feb 20, 2013

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VanceMack said:
Until people are willing to actually address ALL factors including WHO is committing those crimes

Broke people.

they will never end and those communities will continue to suffer.

As long as they remain broke, nope.

You have no problem exploring the impact of race...as long as you can use it your ever emerging 'sensitive' liberal guy persona.

What the **** are you babbling about? Nothing I have said is "liberal" in any way.

Race matters...when it is white people.

What are you talking about? Being white isn't what makes people oblivious to white privilege.

Race isnt a factor...when it is 70,000 people terrorizing their own communities.

Race is a factor, but not in the way you seem to assume it is. Nearly 400 years of institutionalized racism and rejection form the mainstream culture is not going to heal overnight.

Cuz...poor dears...its not their fault.

It's not their fault they live in such ****ed up situations in many cases, but they still have control over their own decisions.

Its 'white privilege' that is oppressing them.

Partly. But it's also the fact that 400 years of oppression doesn't go away overnight, no matter how much some people wish it would just magically get better.

No wonder those communities have been remain and forever will be ****ed...what with all the 'help' they get.

Acknowleging reality does not harm them in any way, nor does it harm you. why do you get so mad that reality is not what you want it to be?

Gipper · Feb 20, 2013

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Tucker Case said:
Did I mention that impotent rage is also a part of white culture, these days? They've cornered the market on that and feigned victimhood.

My question is why do you present this utterly retarded strawman, though? Why would you change your behaviors in any way simply because someone else might be a part of a different culture? That would be retarded.

You are smarter than that.

Am I?

You talk about white privilege when it's due to white being the preferred culture. If I change immediate cultures, wouldn't it be most advantageous for me to adopt that culture temporarily? If I have an employer who embraces black culture, I'm going to "act black" because it's dominant, correct?

Also...impotent rage? That's cute.

Smeagol · Feb 20, 2013

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MaggieD said:
"White privilege" connotes advantages and special treatment based on one's skin being white. I don't think it's that simple. A person of color with the same education, general appearance, command of language, work ethic, etc., as another person who is white? I think they actually have an advantage in our society.

I mostly agree with this, of course with exceptions. Several factors:

-A heck of a lot of non-whites suffer from a lack of command of language that is rooted in culture. People tend to associate command of language with intellect, which isn't necessarily true.

-There are a good amount of people who are slackers. My observation is whites can get by with this and not suffer adverse consequences while with minorities there is less patience for slackers. I think that is rooted in nepotism and extended nepotism where whites are seen more as family; just a guess. However if work your butt off as you should, you're on par with whites who work their butts off.

-I also question how accessible upper management positions are to minorities where "The Leader" job at a company is being filled. Of course, the vast majority of people will never be considered for top of the totem pole jobs anyway so its hard to say if its race related but I've personally haven seen many minorities as top guy in a company. Some, yes.

iliveonramen · Feb 20, 2013

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I'm not sure why "white male privilage" is so controversial. I think it's pretty established that human beings are tribal. Even in the weakest from people typically associate with individuals that look like them, like the things they do, have similar background etc. If the majority of decision makers, managers, higher income individuals basically any individual that can provide a benefit by getting to know or develop a bond is a white male than there is a white male privilage.

Take it a step further but generally any successful individual in business generally will give credit to a mentor figure that they've established a bond with that is higher on the organizational chart. They typically talk about how the person may of used influence to help them out or taught them valuable things.

It's also not a knock against white males as if only white males display behavior that would lead to having an advantage by sharing common traits. If the majority of positions of power were held by another demographic group that demographic group with have "XXX privilage". It's human nature.

ReformCollege · Feb 20, 2013

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Tucker Case said:
Why would I need to do that? We're talking about the existence of a thing. I don't have to show it's lack of existence elsewhere in order for it to exist here.

For example, if I make the claim that the United States has land, I am in no way required to show that Argentina or Zimbabwe do not have land in order for my claim to be accurate.

Why do you think that this acts as a rebuttal to what I am saying?

But the real question is why do you think that those answers are relevant to the point being made?

How are you determining "success"?

Because, I'm showing your how other cultures have influenced the "white" culture that you criticize so heavily. And what do you mean by white? What heritage do you consider white? I'm willing to bet, you'll say Western European. To which I'd say there are 18 different countries a part of "Western Europe" and 23 different languages in the European Union alone. If you're going to sit here and tell me there isn't a difference between being of Irish decent, as opposed to English, German, Italian, Spanish, or Turkish decent, I'm seriously going to laugh in your face. It's not a "white" culture, its an "American culture." Every previous group of immigrants has successfully blended into and at the same time contributed to the American culture. Its not sad that it continues to go on today, because it goes both ways.

Point being, you're criticizing us against a nonexistent standard. You're saying that America should remain fragmented with completely separate and different cultures. What I'm saying, is that it is an organic process where the "dominant" culture adopts some aspects of the integrating culture, and the integrating culture adopts some aspects of the "dominant" culture.

The fact is, America is the most culturally diverse country in the world, even if we aren't 100% perfect.

ThePlayDrive · Feb 20, 2013

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iliveonramen said:
I'm not sure why "white male privilage" is so controversial. I think it's pretty established that human beings are tribal. Even in the weakest from people typically associate with individuals that look like them, like the things they do, have similar background etc. If the majority of decision makers, managers, higher income individuals basically any individual that can provide a benefit by getting to know or develop a bond is a white male than there is a white male privilage.

Take it a step further but generally any successful individual in business generally will give credit to a mentor figure that they've established a bond with that is higher on the organizational chart. They typically talk about how the person may of used influence to help them out or taught them valuable things.

It's also not a knock against white males as if only white males display behavior that would lead to having an advantage by sharing common traits. If the majority of positions of power were held by another demographic group that demographic group with have "XXX privilage". It's human nature.

It's only controversial when people take it personally instead of treating it like a factual social phenomenon.

Carleen · Feb 20, 2013

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Gipper said:
I know. You sound like it.

You should be proud of what you stand for too. That is what makes this country great. Have a good night.

Lethargic Aptitude · Feb 20, 2013

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ThePlayDrive said:
Are you trying to make a point?

Yes that so called "white privilege" means nothing to poor caucasians. Most Americans that just happen to be caucasians were not born with a silver spoon in their mouth. The ghettos are the same in every neighborhood race plays no part in that reality. Poor is poor and your race will not keep you from becoming poor.

I realize that you are neck deep in a Left vs Right conversation but that doesnt concern me nor is it actually relevant. It dont matter the race somewhere someone is being discriminated against for the color of their skin. It just depends where you live and what the predominant race is of the locals. If affirmative action is a viable tool to end discrimination then it should be based on where you live not national averages.

If you are applying for a job where the local population is mostly African American and you are not then affirmative action will discriminate against you. Or in my case I live in area that is mostly Hispanic and I am not, tell me again how my race is going to help me any? I mean most of the police, politicians, business owners are Hispanic.

ThePlayDrive · Feb 20, 2013

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FreedomFromAll said:
Yes that so called "white privilege" means nothing to poor caucasians. Most Americans that just happen to be caucasians were not born with a silver spoon in their mouth. The ghettos are the same in every neighborhood race plays no part in that reality. Poor is poor and your race will not keep you from becoming poor.

The existence of class inequality does not negate the reality of white privilege.

I realize that you are neck deep in a Left vs Right conversation but that doesnt concern me nor is it actually relevant. It dont matter the race somewhere someone is being discriminated against for the color of their skin. It just depends where you live and what the predominant race is of the locals. If affirmative action is a viable tool to end discrimination then it should be based on where you live not national averages.

Discrimination against white people is exceptionally rare since power structures are dominated by white people. This is just a simple fact. In the United States, discrimination overwhelmingly affects non-whites so no, it doesn't "just depend on where you live."

If you are applying for a job where the local population is mostly African American and you are not then affirmative action will discriminate against you. Or in my case I live in area that is mostly Hispanic and I am not, tell me again how my race is going to help me any? I mean most of the police, politicians, business owners are Hispanic.

I don't think you understand what "white privilege" means. It does not mean that every white person is rich, never discriminated against and never in a predominantly non-white neighborhood. Now that you know what "white privilege" is not, maybe you can come back with an argument that actually makes sense?

Shadow Serious · Feb 20, 2013

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I personally define privilege as something that an institution or individual who is a grantor of what is known as a Positive Right. An example would be the privilege to drive a car the grantor would be the State of residence on an individual. Other examples would include hunting licensees, professional licenses, and construction/industrial use licenses. There is no formal privilege that applies to white people now. More white people may be wealthier than non-white people but owning property is not nor should be a privilege. More white people may have better social networks than non-white people this cannot be considered privilege and given that one of the negative rights is that of free association, there is no point in forcing friendship. The subtle prejudice that exists between a person and another person outside of their group is part of the human condition and while unfortunate doesn't quite rise to the level of privilege.

So basically I do not think that there is a white privilege, but since unconscious prejudice will exist means can be put in place to avoid falling for it. And that would include any thing other than just race.

Lethargic Aptitude · Feb 20, 2013

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ThePlayDrive said:
The existence of class inequality does not negate the reality of white privilege.

Says who, you? What do you really know on the subject about how poor whites are treated?

Discrimination against white people is exceptionally rare since power structures are dominated by white people. This is just a simple fact. In the United States, discrimination overwhelmingly affects non-whites so no, it doesn't "just depend on where you live."

Yea OK buddy if you say so. How many white people can safely walk around predominately minority neighborhoods?

You are simply ignorant if you think that racial prejudice against whites is rare. Or perhaps you live in a closet?

I don't think you understand what "white privilege" means. It does not mean that every white person is rich, never discriminated against and never in a predominantly non-white neighborhood. Now that you know what "white privilege" is not, maybe you can come back with an argument that actually makes sense?

Thanx for the dogmatic argument but just because you say so isnt a real argument. you can stand on your soap box pointing your finger all that you want but that isnt going make "white privilege" a reality for the majority of white Americans.

What I tried to show you is that depending where you live things are different, not every where is the same. If you go into a department store in a area with more African American customers then you find things like hair care and cosmetics aimed at the larger African American customer base. It just like stores in warmer climates sell less jackets than in colder climates. Or like where I live there is a 10:1 ratio of Mexican restaurants. Or like in North Portland they sold hair nets and jerry curl juice in 7-11's. it just depends where you live.

Black Dog · Feb 20, 2013

Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

I believe in only one kind of privilege, green. It has little to do with race, sex, religion or creed and allot to do with money and who has it. It just so happens whites have a large percentage, so they seem to have the most privilege.

If you have money, you have it all. Look at OJ? He beat a murder rap because of green privilege. If he was just another negro on the street, he would have been convicted. As soon as he ran out of green, what happened? He's serving time, period.

So race? Throw that shxt out the window. Institutionalized racism is for the most part dead. All hail greenism. The bigotry of the future... and beyond!

ThePlayDrive · Feb 20, 2013

Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

When will people realize that reality has nothing to do with what you "believe." It has to do with what is. And white privilege is - and isn't negated by upper class privilege no matter how hard people try to claim that it is.

Hatuey · Feb 20, 2013

Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Lol... Nazi makes thread, the usual critters come out from under the floor to complain about how they haven't benefited from white privilege as if it's some kind of VISA you get simply for being born white.

Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?[W: 356]

Does "white privilege exist"?

Yes, and it is a problem we should fight to fix.

Yes, but it is not an issue. Whites should have first privilege in nations they built.

No, white privilege does not exist

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