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Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?[W: 356]

Does "white privilege exist"?

  • Yes, and it is a problem we should fight to fix.

    Votes: 24 33.8%

  • Yes, but it is not an issue. Whites should have first privilege in nations they built.

    Votes: 2 2.8%

  • No, white privilege does not exist

    Votes: 45 63.4%
  • Total voters
    71
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Objective-J said:
who is we? not a smart question just want to know what and who i am addressing?
what thought control?
free thinking? everybody still has that ablity

id say the super vast majority of intelligent and honest people that are honestly objective and not already biased, bigoted, racist ect, never choose to be ignorant.

im not sure what you are saying and how it applies to my post or points in this thread, though you may not have read them all either.
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The title is, "Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?" You say it exists but how do you propose to control or even address the problem? If you have nothing concrete why are you discussing something you're impotent to affect?

If you don't understand that I can't help you.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Latin America is made up of "settler colonialist" societies and white privilege does still exist in some Latin American countries such as Chile, where those with European heritage make up the elites of the social structure, and European immigrants are getting preferential treatment just because of their colour of their skin. The US is more matured as a society but white Americans of English descent may still have some built-in advantage due to their cultural affinity to Anglo-Saxon institutions set up by their ancestors and they have to make less effort to integrate and get used to the norms and values of American society compared with other immigrant groups.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

grip said:
The title is, "Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?" You say it exists but how do you propose to control or even address the problem? If you have nothing concrete why are you discussing something you're impotent to affect?

If you don't understand that I can't help you.
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and as i answered in my first post the poll sucks because i dont think it should be corrected in anyway more that we already do. Protect the rights of every american, discrimination laws etc

Objective-J said:
Of course it exist, to say it doesnt is either dishonest or uneducated. Its be just as illogical to say racism doesnt exist.

Now the question is how much does it exist, where and when.

Its not a BLANKET that coats everything, just as racism isnt a blanket that coats everything but white privileged is alive and well all over the country.

Also i didnt vote because while it factually exists im not sure i like saying its a problem and needs fixed.

I dont think its wide spread or ingrained enough to do anything more than we are already doing to be civil to one another. Awarness and laws to protect us.

Basically what im getting at is i dont think there needs to be any special campaign or anything like that, just basic education and enforce the laws that are on the books now or improve them as needed.
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"I" dont say it exist, facts say it exists.

so again what did your post have to do with my post and answer the questions i already asked you and you dodged.

I dont need any help at all

you just need to explain how anything you said is relevant or changes my statements at all
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Gipper said:
Okay, I'll split the difference with you - I'll admit to the existence of white privilege if you admit to the existence of non-white privilege.

For some things in America, it's better to be a white male. For others, it's better not to be a white male.

Deal?
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you dont have to admit anything, the facts dont care about you admitting it and theres no difference to split because im not denying anything and other topics arent relevant to the discussion.

you are correct though im sure there are things that it is better to be black, Chinese, irish, russian, female, poor, rich, straight, gay etc etc etc

what does that have to do with the fact that white privilege most certainly exists?

SO i cant make a deal unless i fully understand what you are trying to say and how it applies to the topic and question at hand.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Objective-J said:
and as i answered in my first post the poll sucks because i dont think it should be corrected in anyway more that we already do. Protect the rights of every american, discrimination laws etc
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I agree.



"I" dont say it exist, facts say it exists.

so again what did your post have to do with my post and answer the questions i already asked you and you dodged.

I dont need any help at all

you just need to explain how anything you said is relevant or changes my statements at all
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Then you agree with the facts that you have shown us?
I'll answer what I please when I please, not by your demand or to fit your narrative.

It's already to simple for me to explain further you're either incapable of getting it or simply don't want to.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Objective-J said:
you dont have to admit anything, the facts dont care about you admitting it and theres no difference to split because im not denying anything and other topics arent relevant to the discussion.

you are correct though im sure there are things that it is better to be black, Chinese, irish, russian, female, poor, rich, straight, gay etc etc etc

what does that have to do with the fact that white privilege most certainly exists?

SO i cant make a deal unless i fully understand what you are trying to say and how it applies to the topic and question at hand.
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I am saying that "white privilege" is, at best, subjective and situational. There are certain times where it's better to be a white male. Running for office, for example.

However, for every instance where someone could argue that being a white male is better, I can name an instance where not being one is better.

Anyone who says that being a white male is almost always advantageous is just a butthurt minority or a WRA.
 
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grip said:
1.)I agree.






2.)Then you agree with the facts that you have shown us?
I'll answer what I please when I please, not by your demand or to fit your narrative.

3.)It's already to simple for me to explain further you're either incapable of getting it or simply don't want to.
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1.) good
2.) i do agree that the things i called facts exist, why would i disagree with facts?
3.) translation, you cant make it realate so are deflecting. ALso the answer to my questions about what YOU wrote doesnt fit any narrative of mine, i dont have one lol
4.) another deflection because you know that what you said doesnt factually tie in so you use a failed insults :shrug:

no biggie thats what i t thought anyway
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Gipper said:
1.)I am saying that "white privilege" is, at best, subjective and situational. There are certain times where it's better to be a white male. Running for office, for example.

2.)However, for every instance where someone could argue that being a white male is better, I can name an instance where not being one is better.

Anyone who says that being a white male is almost always advantageous is just a butthurt minority or a WRA.
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1.) well you would be wrong, its factual.
the only thing subjective about it is how much it takes place and to what degree

2.) instance? not sure what you mean, you probably mean EXAMPLE, not instance because by default since white is the majority there is more instances of white privilege taking place than other things. This would most likely be true of all majorty vs minority race is meaningless.

3.) well i wouldnt agree with the phrase "almost/always advantageous " necessarily but i would agree with majority, again thats based on mathematical and statistical default not anything else.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Objective-J said:
1.) good
2.) i do agree that the things i called facts exist, why would i disagree with facts?
3.) translation, you cant make it realate so are deflecting. ALso the answer to my questions about what YOU wrote doesnt fit any narrative of mine, i dont have one lol
4.) another deflection because you know that what you said doesnt factually tie in so you use a failed insults :shrug:

no biggie thats what i t thought anyway
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1) great
2) you're opinion, not fact. otherwise prove it.
3) how would you know if you don't understand what I said? you're just double talking.
4) again how can I be deflecting if you don't know what my intentions are? the insults started with you my friend.

I probably care much less than you do...lol
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

grip said:
1) great
2) you're opinion, not fact. otherwise prove it.
3) how would you know if you don't understand what I said? you're just double talking.
4) again how can I be deflecting if you don't know what my intentions are? the insults started with you my friend.

I probably care much less than you do...lol
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2.) no its a fact. if you disagree with anything i called fact, point it out and i will gladly prove it :shrug:

or feel free to factually prove it wrong

3.) easy my questions were trying to accomplish YOU explaining the connection because i see none and i was going to show you that you were wrong or it was only your opinion but you must have come to this conclusion yourself so you bailed on it and that why you are now dodging it :)
4.) see above and no they didnt and i also never deflected ;)

i agree you dont care about facts, i do
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Oh my God, can people stop saying the existence of white privilege is an "opinion" or "subjective." No, it isn't. It is a factual ****ing reality. If you don't know that it is a fact, then you are uninformed and you need to educate yourself. I already provided a bunch of studies earlier in the thread to support my position so don't come out with your "prove it" nonsense.

Moreover, there isn't much room to even debate the level of white privilege that exists as there is, again, PLENTY of research of the subject that covers the extent of white privilege.

Here's a suggestion: If you think the existence of white privilege and the prevalence of it is purely a matter of opinion, ask yourself how many studies you've read on the subject and reevaluate your opinion.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

Objective-J said:
2.) no its a fact. if you disagree with anything i called fact, point it out and i will gladly prove it :shrug:

or feel free to factually prove it wrong

3.) easy my questions were trying to accomplish YOU explaining the connection because i see none and i was going to show you that you were wrong or it was only your opinion but you must have come to this conclusion yourself so you bailed on it and that why you are now dodging it :)
4.) see above and no they didnt and i also never deflected ;)

i agree you dont care about facts, i do
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All I was originally saying was that most real racism is hidden and cannot be called out. It's a problem of the thought process and attitude, not something we can always address because it gets circumvented. Example; my sister and her husband are always saying "n" this and "n" that like morons. But when they're confronted with minorities they don't say "boo". They're harmless idiots. But I worked for a wealthy man who never said a racial slur, gave to the UNCF and NAACP but wouldn't hire a minority, live near one or associate very closely with one. Unless you watched him closely like I did you'd never suspect how racist he truly was and how little could be done about it.

My original comment wasn't addressed against or directly too you but rather what do you think of my analogy? A simple question was all it was before you basically started calling me an idiot.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

FreedomFromAll said:
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White privilege is a accusation of circumstantial evidence which is entirely based on race. Its a assumption of guilt with no trial. Its a blame game that blames people of being a certain way because of their race. The end result is this: I cant say that I am proud of being white without sounding like a white supremacist. So why cannot I be proud of my race and all other races can be? Is it because of the bad apples? All races are equal we all have bad apples.

There is nothing wrong with white people treating other white people with favoritism. All races do it why cant white people do it as well? Is it because in America whites are the majority? Guess what globally whites are the minority. North America is predominantly white because this is where the white people migrated to from Europe. In from Mexico through out South America Hispanics are the majority because that is where the Spanish migrated too.

In other words dont confuse racism with racial identity. The country is geared for whites because the majority is white. In other countries where another race is the majority those countries are geared for those races. It sections of the US where a region is no a majority of whites that region is geared for the majority race of that region.

Of course racism is alive and strong in modern America and despite the best efforts to curb racism by all races I am sure there will always be racism. But things are not stagnant today is much different than when I was a kid.
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I really admire you for being so candid. Most simply take the position that race bias doesn't exist and recognize racism only when minorities make any reference to ethnicity.

BTW: I'm perfectly okay with all ethnic groups celebrating their unique heritage, culture and contribution. IMHO it becomes racist when those not of that ethnic group are made to know they are not welcome to join in these celebrations and are used as a justification to treat others with disdain. IMHO what make Black History Month so cool is in most celebrations all races are invited to join in. St. Patrick's Day is great because all people are welcome to join in the celebration of Irish heritage even if you're not Irish. Thanksgiving Day is great because although historically its about Native Americans and English settlers to the New World, today all Americans take ownership in it.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

grip said:
1.)All I was originally saying was that most real racism is hidden and cannot be called out. It's a problem of the thought process and attitude, not something we can always address because it gets circumvented. Example; my sister and her husband are always saying "n" this and "n" that like morons. But when they're confronted with minorities they don't say "boo". They're harmless idiots. But I worked for a wealthy man who never said a racial slur, gave to the UNCF and NAACP but wouldn't hire a minority, live near one or associate very closely with one. Unless you watched him closely like I did you'd never suspect how racist he truly was and how little could be done about it.

2.)My original comment wasn't addressed against or directly too you but rather what do you think of my analogy?
3.) A simple question was all it was before you basically started calling me an idiot.
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1.) I dont know about most but i do agree
2.) what analogy? i missed on if you gave ME one
3.) never called you an idiot and what question?

i looked back where our convoy started, post 248, i read no initial anology or question nor where i called you an idiot.

do you possible have me confused with someone else
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Yes, white privilege exists just as upper class privilege, male privilege and Christian privilege exist in the United States. Relative to race, the white "race" is the dominant one in the United States. It currently and historically dominates nearly every power-holding aspect of society from government to business to media. Because of that dominance, white people (in general) have advantages that non-white people do not. Examples of advantage would be the fact that whites encounter less racism when applying for jobs or housing; the fact that whites have had a historical "head start" in terms of wealth and education aquisition; and so on.

The interesting thing about white privilege (and many other types of privilege as well) is that it includes the luxury of being able to not see that privilege. For example, you're hear a lot of white people say things like, "Are you kidding? If anything, I'm at a DISadvantage today as a white male." They truly believe that because they evaluate "privilege" and things like on a surface level. By "surface level", I mean that they believe privilege has to be labeled things like "Affirmative Action" or "Black History Month." They don't realize that such things are labeled because the default in society is "white." (Therein lies the privilege.)

In sum, yes, white privilege is an undeniable reality. In nearly every society, certain groups within the population are "privileged". In some countries, privilege is determined by race, in others it is determined by religion and in others it's determined by ethnicity or something else entirely or a combination of several. White privilege is, again, undeniable. Any adult who denies that it exists in the United States is ignorant, and likely willfully so.
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If black folks behaved better, they would get treated better.

Whenever I encounter discrimination, or racism, my first instinct isn't to hate white people; it's to hate the black people that made white people see me in that light.
 
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Objective-J said:
1.) I dont know about most but i do agree
2.) what analogy? i missed on if you gave ME one
3.) never called you an idiot and what question?

i looked back where our convoy started, post 248, i read no initial anology or question nor where i called you an idiot.

do you possible have me confused with someone else
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Here's my original statement in the form of a question.

It seems like what we're talking about though is "thought control" and the more you attempt to corral peoples free thinking the more it backfires, regardless of how well intentioned. Ignorance is not just learned but it's imitated and sometimes willfully chosen.
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Can you imagine trying to tell my wealthy, highly educated employer "not to be racist"? That's the "thought control" part. He'd say he wasn't, you couldn't prove it and he broke no laws. That sort of white privilege is the preeminent form that exist and he's a snob towards anyone he believes to be less than him. I think he's ignorant, arrogant and that basically nothing can be done about it because it's actually part of living in a free society, where we don't overly restrict expression or choices, no matter how repugnant.

Here is your respectful and pleasant reply..

Objective-J said:
who is we? not a smart question just want to know what and who i am addressing?
what thought control?
free thinking? everybody still has that ablity

id say the super vast majority of intelligent and honest people that are honestly objective and not already biased, bigoted, racist ect, never choose to be ignorant.

im not sure what you are saying and how it applies to my post or points in this thread, though you may not have read them all either.
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But in all fairness I did mistake your "not a smart question" as saying I was being stupid. But the whole, "I don't understand anything you're saying" sounds like you're being either sarcastic or not intuitive.

Now either YOU are continuing to deflect or merely believe yourself to be beyond reproach? Which is it?
 
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Arbo said:
How sad to think at one point I thought you to not be the typical DP member. I was wrong in thinking that. Continue on with the nonsense, as the more you put forth, the more it shows others the vacancy of your posts.
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Yes, it's always everyone else's fault that you do not have the ability to intelligently support your positions. :lol:

That you suggest that more white people are not 'needy' or 'poor' yet provide nothing to support such ignorance is noted. The numbers have long been out there. Quit relying on a failed education system and do your own work for a change.
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You really do not have any ability to comprehend what I wrote, do you? Is English your primary language?
 
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MaggieD said:
... A person of color with the same education, general appearance, command of language, work ethic, etc., as another person who is white? I think they actually have an advantage in our society.
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If true, that still illustrates white privilege still continues because whites define the cultural norms that determine whether a non-white person's behavior is considered acceptable.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

DA60 said:
the following is exactly what I am talking about.

You typed:
'So are you saying that you find most 'race'-based threads to be exasperating or frustrating? Why? Do you simply dislike discussing the social construct and it's effects, or is it something else?'

And yet I typed absolutely nothing of the kind.
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Well, that's just false. I asked you, sarcastically, if you were "exacerbated" to which you responded "And no, I am not exacerbated...I find you atypical of most people I find in 'race'-based threads. "

If I am atypical (meaning not typical) of what you normally find, and you are not "exacerbated" by me, then the typical reaction one would assume that you would have is "exacerbation".

So you most certainly did say something which implied that my question was valid. Or are we really just seeing the extreme limitations of your vocabulary?

You obviously read into things what you want to see.
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I'm seriously wondering if you actually know what the words you use mean.

As for the rest. I could care less (in this subject) what the 'social construct' is. I care what is right and wrong.
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And as I have said, righteously ignoring reality has no affect on it.
 
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Graffias said:
"White privilege (or white skin privilege) refers to what some individuals perceive as advantages that white people enjoy in certain societies beyond those commonly experienced by people of color in the same social, political, or economic spaces (nation, community, workplace, income, etc). The controversial term connotes both obvious and less obvious unspoken advantages that white individuals may not recognize they have. These include cultural affirmations of one's own worth; greater presumed social status; and freedom to move, buy, work, play, and speak freely. The concept of white privilege also implies the right to assume the universality of one's own experiences, marking others as different or exceptional while perceiving oneself as normal. It can be compared and/or combined with the concept of male privilege. Does this still exist? If so, should it be corrected and fought against?
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"White" privilege, as a direct matter, does not exist. But Wealth privilege certainly does. And since the wealthy are predominantly white, as an indirect matter, yes, being white comes with a lot of advantages and a "privileged" existence. So no, but yes.
 
Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

grip said:
1.)Here's my original statement in the form of a question.



Can you imagine trying to tell my wealthy, highly educated employer "not to be racist"? That's the "thought control" part. He'd say he wasn't, you couldn't prove it and he broke no laws. That sort of white privilege is the preeminent form that exist and he's a snob towards anyone he believes to be less than him. I think he's ignorant, arrogant and that basically nothing can be done about it because it's actually part of living in a free society, where we don't overly restrict expression or choices, no matter how repugnant.

3.)Here is your respectful and pleasant reply..



4.)But in all fairness I did mistake your "not a smart question" as saying I was being stupid.
5.) But the whole, "I don't understand anything you're saying" sounds like you're being either sarcastic or not intuitive.

Now either YOU are continuing to deflect or merely believe yourself to be beyond reproach? Which is it?
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1.) well thats where the disconnect is because thats not in form of a question at all its just a plain statement
2.) thats not "thought control"? laws etc are action control
3.) yep and no where in there did i call you idion or even hint at your intelligence etc. No where.

it wants to know who we is, so i know where you are coming from
it wants to know what thought control you are talking about because i dont see any in the OP or with the conversation i was having and you decided to qoute
same with your free thinking statement
it also states that i dont think anybody not already with issues chooses to be ignorant based on the topic at hand

4.) ooooooooh well that would be ANOTHER disconect because i most certainly didnt mean it that way at all, LOL I wanted you to be clear that "I" wasnt being a smart ass, i was honestly curious
5.) again you guessed wrong but im sure your mistake over the "smart" thing lead you that way
6.) no deflecting, you were confused, you figured it out and im still not positive how what you said ties into my post, im assuming i get it but since it doesnt make sense to me at all im hoping you have a different reason or better reason than my assumption.

so again, my questions are still waiting for you :)
 
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apdst said:
If black folks behaved better, they would get treated better.

Whenever I encounter discrimination, or racism, my first instinct isn't to hate white people; it's to hate the black people that made white people see me in that light.
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while i agree that you shouldnt hate all white people for the racist among their race i think its just as illogical to be made at black people that are idiots.

whats it matter if there are black people that are idiots? that shouldn't lead ANY honest, smart, logical person to be racist.

your problem should be with the racist, you dont have to hate them but they are the problem, not SOME black people acting bad.
 
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Objective-J said:
whats it matter if there are black people that are idiots? that shouldn't lead ANY honest, smart, logical person to be racist.
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The honest, smart, logical "first instinct" in response to experiencing racism is to blame the racist individual for their choice to be racist.

apdst is basically implying that the poor racist white folks are victimized into being racists. They don't have any choice, because the bad black people MADE the innocent white people racist. Once you see something like that, there's no hope for honest, smart, logic.
 
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Tucker Case said:
1.)The honest, smart, logical "first instinct" in response to experiencing racism is to blame the racist individual for their choice to be racist.

apdst is basically implying that the poor racist white folks are victimized into being racists. They don't have any choice, because the bad black people MADE the innocent white people racist. Once you see something like that, there's no hope for honest, smart, logic.
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1.) I agree, while its not always an black and white choice, because its taught and so ingrained that sometimes something else has to happen to even realize a choice needs to be made or can be made. But overall i still agree with you.

2.) well i let him explain what i think is broken logic to me to make sure BUT i have read other stuff of his on this issues that also didnt make any sense so you may very well be correct.
 
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Objective-J said:
1.) well thats where the disconnect is because thats not in form of a question at all its just a plain statement
2.) thats not "thought control"? laws etc are action control
3.) yep and no where in there did i call you idion or even hint at your intelligence etc. No where.

it wants to know who we is, so i know where you are coming from
it wants to know what thought control you are talking about because i dont see any in the OP or with the conversation i was having and you decided to qoute
same with your free thinking statement
it also states that i dont think anybody not already with issues chooses to be ignorant based on the topic at hand

4.) ooooooooh well that would be ANOTHER disconect because i most certainly didnt mean it that way at all, LOL I wanted you to be clear that "I" wasnt being a smart ass, i was honestly curious
5.) again you guessed wrong but im sure your mistake over the "smart" thing lead you that way
6.) no deflecting, you were confused, you figured it out and im still not positive how what you said ties into my post, im assuming i get it but since it doesnt make sense to me at all im hoping you have a different reason or better reason than my assumption.

so again, my questions are still waiting for you :)
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Way too much introspection here for me. I made a fairly innocuous statement in which you gave a fairly asinine reply too. It's really that simple.

If it makes you feel better and sleep at night to think you pulled off some kind of superior debate tactic, then carpe diem. :)
 
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