Do you support federal marijuana legalization?

Danbury said:

that you've never heard anyone say that Barney Frank is to blame for rejecting putting more stringent regulations on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and that you've never heard anyone blame Bill Clinton for signing the repeal of Glass-Steagall.

One would have to be either on another planet or actually living in a bubble to not have heard that, esp. a right winger since that was the mantra all over right-wing, conservative media.

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When you went to school, you spent a great deal of time arguing to your teachers that 2 + 2 = Watermelon Jolly Rancher, didn't you?

You are trying to support a claim of X exists alongside Y.

Arguing that X exists does not do this. Surely you cannot be so delusional as to think it does?

Sorry, but I just do not believe you when you say that.

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Sancho says, "Ah, Senor Quixote, that windmill has certainly been chastised in a very pleasing manner. But that other windmill over there is certainly getting too big for it's britches and appears to require some great hero to vanquish it!"

I'm for complete legalization. There are huge profits in "illegal" drugs. Take the word illegal out and you take the huge profits out. It's capitalism and profits that create the problem. Also, make a note to check if "opiates" have increased illegallly since the Afghan war fired up, because production of opium in that country has increased 30-50 times since we the USA have controlled the acreage. The vicoden, hydrocodone and oxycontin are all opiates and appeared in the new pain therapies prescribed by many doctors. I'm a believer that opium pain therapy is a huge mistake and much too common. Internal protectionism of Big Pharma and the policies that create continuity of profits for Big Pharma are the problem. All those "illegal" opiates in pill form come from Big Pharma. Many of these issues can be hard to face, but USA citizens are used to managed news that doesn't face issues damaging to their profit streams, you know Capitalism. Therefore, I think that grandmaw and my niece should be allowed to grow their own small garden plots of poppies, reefer, cacti, etc. without interference. They should also be allowed to sell their unrefined products at organic food markets. This might also be a way to rescue small farms.

This like many other issues should be decided at the lowest levels of government.

Navy Pride said:

Not no but hell no....Its bad enough we have a bunch of drunks out there killing innocent people...We should never legalize grass and just add more spaced out people to the equation.

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That's if you assume that the legal status of a drug is proportional to the scale of its use or even ability. On the contrary I can't get anyone to deliver alcohol to my door but this is possible with cannabis. Similarly Portugal cut drug usage in half by redirecting funds into providing treatment for addicts.

Tucker Case said:

When you went to school, you spent a great deal of time arguing to your teachers that 2 + 2 = Watermelon Jolly Rancher, didn't you?

You are trying to support a claim of X exists alongside Y.

Arguing that X exists does not do this. Surely you cannot be so delusional as to think it does?




Sancho says, "Ah, Senor Quixote, that windmill has certainly been chastised in a very pleasing manner. But that other windmill over there is certainly getting too big for it's britches and appears to require some great hero to vanquish it!"

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Geez, another dog thinker.

Did you NOT say "liberals abhor a free market"? Yes, you did.

I merely pointed out where it was conservatives and Republicans not only screaming FOR less of a free market, but blaming the less-free market on Dems!

Get it now?

Or should one merely respond to "liberals abhor a free market" with a nice, simple, unquestioning "Yes! They do! Evidence to the contrary DOES NOT FOLLOW!"?

Wow.

Danbury said:

Geez, another dog thinker.

Did you NOT say "liberals abhor a free market"? Yes, you did.

I merely pointed out where it was conservatives and Republicans not only screaming FOR less of a free market, but blaming the less-free market on Dems!

Get it now?

Or should one merely respond to "liberals abhor a free market" with a nice, simple, unquestioning "Yes! They do! Evidence to the contrary DOES NOT FOLLOW!"?

Wow.

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i think I've figured out your brilliant strategy.

You are trying to demonstrate that smoking pot leads to the inability to think clearly, and that it therefore should continue to be illegal.

Danbury said:

Did you NOT say "liberals abhor a free market"?

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In fact, I did not say that.

Yes, you did.

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Where did I say that?

I merely pointed out where it was conservatives and Republicans not only screaming FOR less of a free market, but blaming the less-free market on Dems!

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And I merely pointed out that such things do not exist outside of your imagination.

Get it now?

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I've always gotten it. The problem is that you have still done nothing to support your position. You have displayed that you may be experiencing some visual hallucinations about what I have said, but that doesn't prove your position in any way. It only indicates that you may need to do something about those apparent hallucinations.

Or should one merely respond to "liberals abhor a free market" with a nice, simple, unquestioning "Yes! They do! Evidence to the contrary DOES NOT FOLLOW!"?

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One should merely respond to what was written, not the apparent visual hallucinations one is experiencing.

Dittohead not! said:

i think I've figured out your brilliant strategy.

You are trying to demonstrate that smoking pot leads to the inability to think clearly, and that it therefore should continue to be illegal.

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I think he's under the impression that marijuana is a hallucinogen, then.

Tucker Case said:

Of course. They abhor a free market.

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See? You did say liberals abhor a free market.

I merely pointed out that there is no such thing as a free market and that it's been conservatives and Republicans blaming lack of regulation (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) and Bill Clinton signing the repeal of Glass-Steagall (deregulating banks) for the housing collapse and economic crash of 2008.

So how is liberals who abhor a free market?

Danbury said:

See? You did say liberals abhor a free market.

I merely pointed out that there is no such thing as a free market and that it's been conservatives and Republicans blaming lack of regulation (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) and Bill Clinton signing the repeal of Glass-Steagall (deregulating banks) for the housing collapse and economic crash of 2008.

So how is liberals who abhor a free market?

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Actually, it has been the Democrats position that deregulation("lack of regulation") was responsible for the housing bubble. But why split hairs over such minor discrepancies?:lol:

Danbury said:

See? You did say liberals abhor a free market.

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They =/= liberals.

Stop arguing against your hallucinations.

Cardinal said:

I think I must be misunderstanding you. Are you saying we should keep something illegal just so we can fine it to fund other projects? Because that's what it sounds like.

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Yep, he believes in the "Rob Peter to pay Paul" adage, which we clearly know doesn't work. The war on drugs has been a miserable, costly failure. The same nonsense that happened with Alcohol Prohibition is playing itself out again with pot...and actually most all drugs.

This is America Damnit! Where there's a market for something...be it legal or illegal, there will always be somebody willing, for enough money, to supply a market...regardless of what is.

IMHO, Digsbe is gonna be so on the wrong side of history in this matter.

Danbury said:

See? You did say liberals abhor a free market.

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Actually, you should read the entire post including the thing he's clearly responding to and is the clear reference point for "They". Note the quote he included in his post:

Tucker Case said:

X Factor said:

Left wing socialists support strict drug laws?

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Of course. They abhor a free market.

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They = "Left wing socialists"

Which is what makes this so hillarious. You'v spent the past few posts bitching about some Republicans calling Obama a Socialist...while you yourself took a comment aimed at "left Wing Socialists" and construed it to mean "liberals", thereby yourself declaring that "liberals" are "left wing socialists".

I wish to god that the media would stop calling it marijuana. There is no such plant species called marijuana. It's called CANNABIS. Get it right.

I support full legalization of cannabis with taxation controls similar to tobacco. You can grow tobacco for personal use so you should be able to do the same with cannabis. It used to grow wild in the U.S. so this would not be a problem.

As for other drugs, I support decriminalization of small amounts intended for personal use as Portugal and Spain have done. All the evidence shows it results in a decrease of use and increase in recovery of addicted populations. Throwing people in jail for small amounts on charges of felony possession is a crime against humanity rivaled only by the execution laws in southeast Asia. It's time to stop the draconian war on drugs and use that money to build a better society.

Additionally, the scheduling of certain drugs needs to be changed so that continued research can be conducted into therapeutic uses. All the modern research reaffirms that MDM- class drugs, LSD, psilocybin mushrooms, ketamine, DMT, iboga and other psychedelics have immense potential in mental health when administered in therapeutic doses under professional care, particularly in the areas of PTSD, depression, social anxiety, and end of life resolution. DMT, ibogaine and ketamine have shown absolutely astounding ability to reverse addiction.

There is no longer any scientifically sound justification for the cruel punishments and draconian laws of the DEA.

Zyphlin said:

Which is what makes this so hillarious. You'v spent the past few posts bitching about some Republicans calling Obama a Socialist...while you yourself took a comment aimed at "left Wing Socialists" and construed it to mean "liberals", thereby yourself declaring that "liberals" are "left wing socialists".

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It's hilarious on more levels than just that, though.

First level: Left-wing socialists do abhor a free market. The claim I was making would never be viewed as offensive by a socialist, as they would readily agree with it.
Second level: I was using the rhetorical device of irony to make my point in this thread.
Third Level: It was irony because it was directed at someone who calls Obama a socialist for stupid reasons (and it certainly wasn't X factor I was referring to, it was "my left-wing friend").
Fourth level: As you noted, by pretending that I was doing what he claims to oppose, danbury ended up doing exactly that which he claims to oppose.

And thus the self-pwnge was complete.

Tucker Case said:

It's hilarious on more levels than just that, though.

First level: Left-wing socialists do abhor a free market. The claim I was making would never be viewed as offensive by a socialist, as they would readily agree with it.
Second level: I was using the rhetorical device of irony to make my point in this thread.
Third Level: It was irony because it was directed at someone who calls Obama a socialist for stupid reasons (and it certainly wasn't X factor I was referring to, it was "my left-wing friend").
Fourth level: As you noted, by pretending that I was doing what he claims to oppose, danbury ended up doing exactly that which he claims to oppose.

And thus the self-pwnge was complete.

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This topic is about cannabis and the legal status thereof. If y'all want to continue your pissing match, do it in PM or another thread and stop derailing this one. Please and thank you.

Vapor said:

This topic is about cannabis and the legal status thereof. If y'all want to continue your pissing match, do it in PM or another thread and stop derailing this one. Please and thank you.

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:lol: You think I care about your irritation enough to change my behavior. That's cute.

If y'all want to continue pretending to be a mod, do it in a PM or another thread. Please and thank you.

Jack Fabulous said:

Actually, it has been the Democrats position that deregulation("lack of regulation") was responsible for the housing bubble. But why split hairs over such minor discrepancies?:lol:

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It helps to follow the conversation so you get the context.

Tucker Case said:

They =/= liberals.

Stop arguing against your hallucinations.

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Meh. I agree you shouldn't take responsibility for your posts. The whole Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac/Glass-Steagall thing presents a problem for someone who says it's liberals who abhor a free market.

Tucker Case said:

:lol: You think I care about your irritation enough to change my behavior. That's cute.

If y'all want to continue pretending to be a mod, do it in a PM or another thread. Please and thank you.

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You need to brush up on your troll-fu, grasshopper.

A major problem with cannabis prohibition is that the non-psychoactive hemp is guilty by association, despite its many industrial uses. Food, oil, building materials ("hempcrete"), paper, clothing, biodegradable plastics, and cordage, plus some tentative research into purifying the soil and controlling parasitic plants. Hell, it can even be used to make cheap biofuel, if made en masse. Once upon a time, it was the #1 cash crop of the state of Kentucky, and in WW2, the US encouraged farmers to grow it to help meet wartime demands.

Hemp For Victory - YouTube

Of course, they then proceeded to deny the existence of this video for 40-50 years afterwards. It's amazing how resistant government can be to facts, even those it established itself.

Zyphlin said:

Actually, you should read the entire post including the thing he's clearly responding to and is the clear reference point for "They". Note the quote he included in his post:



They = "Left wing socialists"

Which is what makes this so hillarious. You'v spent the past few posts bitching about some Republicans calling Obama a Socialist...while you yourself took a comment aimed at "left Wing Socialists" and construed it to mean "liberals", thereby yourself declaring that "liberals" are "left wing socialists".

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Spare me. Everyone knows the right believes ANYONE not in lock step with their thinking is a left wing socialist.

I thought you conservatives were all about personal responsibility. Are you now saying that liberals/Democrats, etc., DO support a free market??

Lol. Okey dokey, Pokey.

Danbury said:

Meh. I agree you shouldn't take responsibility for your posts. The whole Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac/Glass-Steagall thing presents a problem for someone who says it's liberals who abhor a free market.

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Sancho says, "Another windmill down, oh fearless one. Now perhaps you can pummel the haystacks!"

Vapor said:

You need to brush up on your troll-fu, grasshopper.

A major problem with cannabis prohibition is that the non-psychoactive hemp is guilty by association, despite its many industrial uses. Food, oil, building materials ("hempcrete"), paper, clothing, biodegradable plastics, and cordage, plus some tentative research into purifying the soil and controlling parasitic plants. Hell, it can even be used to make cheap biofuel, if made en masse. Once upon a time, it was the #1 cash crop of the state of Kentucky, and in WW2, the US encouraged farmers to grow it to help meet wartime demands.

Hemp For Victory - YouTube

Of course, they then proceeded to deny the existence of this video for 40-50 years afterwards. It's amazing how resistant government can be to facts, even those it established itself.

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Jeopardy time!

"tl/dr"

"What is "That which most people labeled as "progressive" or "centrist" seem to be saying to themselves shortly after they read my lean but before they read any of my posts, alex."

Tucker Case said:

Sancho says, "Another windmill down, oh fearless one. Now perhaps you can pummel the haystacks!"

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whatever.

This site has the best software for debating and dialoguing, the but people and moderators and moderation "rules" are ridiculous. Rent-a-cops busting people for going 1 mile over the speed limit. I don't have the patience for such absurdity and suffocation over benign speech.

Talk about a nanny state! Yuck.

I'm outta here.

Danbury said:

whatever.

This site has the best software for debating and dialoguing, the but people and moderators and moderation "rules" are ridiculous. Rent-a-cops busting people for going 1 mile over the speed limit. I don't have the patience for such absurdity and suffocation over benign speech.

Talk about a nanny state! Yuck.

I'm outta here.

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Sancho says, "Oh no! The Windmills... they have rallied and they appear to have forced you into a retreat!"