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Dorner: Executed or Accident?

Was Dorner executed or was it an unfortunate consequence?


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"Accident" wouldn't play into things anyway. He either did himself (which I suspect) or waited for a ridiculously painful end.

I'm pretty sure that the cops started the fire and I suspect that Dorner did himself in at that point.
 
There is a town in Texas called Waco. Another unfortunate accident.
 
We have no proof to confirm he is dead (I.e a body). He could have escaped through a back door, which given the level od incompetence that the lapd has shown in trying to subdue dorner, it is possible he escaped.
 
"Accident" wouldn't play into things anyway. He either did himself (which I suspect) or waited for a ridiculously painful end.

I'm pretty sure that the cops started the fire and I suspect that Dorner did himself in at that point.


The article says the police shot teargas canisters in the cabin knowing they'd likely start a fire. The comments by LAPD are reported as saying, "burn this mother****er down."
 
There should be a third category in the above poll and that is "Who cares?"

Even in our liberal, pop culture, tolerant, no judgments society, some people reveal themselves to be so depraved that they need killing. Dorner was in that category.
 
It appears from this article Dorner manhunt: Charred human remains found in burned cabin - latimes.com that Dorner was killed by LA Police. Whether it was done intentionally or not is the question?

Either way it's pretty easy to defend the action. If it was a mistake then they were going above and beyond to subdue him without killing him. If they knew it would cause a fire then it's no different than a sniper taking him out which would of been pretty legitimate as well based on his pattern of behavior.
 
Does it really matter at this point? The man is most probably dead. He and the cops decided to make this to the death. It was a mutual decision. He's dead now. Unless they have the wrong person.

Yes, I think it matters how the police handle themselves in any situation, regardless of how sociopath the perp appears. Once we allow our officials to make decisions based on irrational emotion we're going down a dark path.
 
Either way it's pretty easy to defend the action. If it was a mistake then they were going above and beyond to subdue him without killing him. If they knew it would cause a fire then it's no different than a sniper taking him out which would of been pretty legitimate as well based on his pattern of behavior.

If someone is shooting at you or putting you an immediate danger, then you have the right to use deadly force in self defense. Or if the perp is threatening other lives and putting them in imminent danger, then a sniper can take them out. But to burn someone alive because they've killed others? Ok.
 
Yes, I think it matters how the police handle themselves in any situation, regardless of how sociopath the perp appears. Once we allow our officials to make decisions based on irrational emotion we're going down a dark path.

I think its a bit late for the LAPD.
 
Yes, I think it matters how the police handle themselves in any situation, regardless of how sociopath the perp appears. Once we allow our officials to make decisions based on irrational emotion we're going down a dark path.

Interesting thought. Fear and emotion shouldn't motivate, and yet it is used by all our politicians and government officials. Police have a particularly tough job with this. It is hard to not want to lay an extra hard thump on a drugged up junkie that tries to bite you or something else worse than that.
 
They heard a shot and THEN the building erupted in fire...but no report of shots after the explosion.

So either he shot at a gas-fueled appliances and was killed immediately in the explosion, or the fire erupted spontaneously because of the tear gas being ignited by the gun shot which he aimed at himself....

But then I find this:
Fire Hazard
Excerpt from GUIDE 159 [Substances (Irritating)]:

Some of these materials may burn, but none ignite readily. Containers may explode when heated. (ERG, 2012)
TEAR GAS GRENADES | CAMEO Chemicals | NOAA

...so it doesn't make a lot of sense, really. Either he blew himself up (painful way to go) intentionally, he shot himself and a random explosion of fire somehow occurred, or he shot a canister not knowing it would (maybe) erupt (but then where'd the flames come from, unless the canister was near a gas appliance), or there wasn't a canister at all and there's no easy explanation for how a shot preceded a mystery fire, 'cause the police said they "pumped in" tear gas.

I'll wait 'til the details are more clear.
 
If someone is shooting at you or putting you an immediate danger, then you have the right to use deadly force in self defense. Or if the perp is threatening other lives and putting them in imminent danger, then a sniper can take them out. But to burn someone alive because they've killed others? Ok.

Seems like his death was pretty much inevitable. He wasn't concerned with turning himself in. Why put others in harm way to detain him against his will or kill him? Dead is dead.

Burning him alive is bad if it's used in retribution. That's not the job of police. It is thier job to take out threats and IF! the fire was at least semi-intentional because they didn't want to send in police officers after a guy that stated he wanted to kill police officers I don't see the problem.

If he wanted to exercise his rights to a fair trial he could of turned himself in.
 
We have no proof to confirm he is dead (I.e a body). He could have escaped through a back door, which given the level od incompetence that the lapd has shown in trying to subdue dorner, it is possible he escaped.

It was announced on the news, a couple of hours ago, that a body had been found and removed from the scene for ID.
 
Interesting thought. Fear and emotion shouldn't motivate, and yet it is used by all our politicians and government officials. Police have a particularly tough job with this. It is hard to not want to lay an extra hard thump on a drugged up junkie that tries to bite you or something else worse than that.

I said irrational emotion or did you miss that part on purpose? This far exceeds the more normal, 'excess force' of a thump.
 
If they were "tearing through walls" as the article in the OP indicates, who knows what really started the fire at this point. I cannot imagine that anyone would have reasonably believed that this would not have ended this way.
 
Seems like his death was pretty much inevitable. He wasn't concerned with turning himself in. Why put others in harm way to detain him against his will or kill him? Dead is dead.

Burning him alive is bad if it's used in retribution. That's not the job of police. It is thier job to take out threats and IF! the fire was at least semi-intentional because they didn't want to send in police officers after a guy that stated he wanted to kill police officers I don't see the problem.

If he wanted to exercise his rights to a fair trial he could of turned himself in.

Inevitable? Death is inevitable for all of us and though his was probably going to happen there's always the chance he could've been saved. Once we remove the sane and sacred worth we place on any life, then you will see something you might not want.
 
Yes, I think it matters how the police handle themselves in any situation, regardless of how sociopath the perp appears. Once we allow our officials to make decisions based on irrational emotion we're going down a dark path.

Frankly, I don't think it was irrational emotion, knowing that the guy had a manifesto with the names of 50 (?)people he was targeting. They were basically dealing with a human gone feral.
 
It appears from this article Dorner manhunt: Charred human remains found in burned cabin - latimes.com that Dorner was killed by LA Police. Whether it was done intentionally or not is the question?

LOL - how does this figure? In a standoff with police they accidentally shot it? He accidentally shot himself? He accidentally set the log cabin on fire? When - when he turned on the gas stove to cook up some jiffy pop?

Suicide by cop, either way - really . . . I mean seriously. An accident would have been if he fell from the rooftop while aiming at a cruiser in the treeline.
 
I said irrational emotion or did you miss that part on purpose? This far exceeds the more normal, 'excess force' of a thump.

Really any emotional reaction can be seen as irrational if you take it out of context. Heck just the way you word something can make it irrational.

My point is that irrational emotion will guide decision making of all levels of government and more specifically during a time of crisis/panic/intense decision making period. It is the nature of the beast. Knowing that this guy was in the cabin...and knowing tear gas is flammable...why would you lob in tear gas? I can chalk it up to an idiotic decision...rather than surrounding it and waiting him out.

Basically. I am waiting for the facts to make a call on this. Not gonna cry excessive force because cops are known to be panicky or trigger happy. They could also be malicious and scumbags, or just want revenge. But I can honestly see them being negligent idiots. You think that isn't possible? I say it is a coin flip.
 
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