at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

Medusa said:

as in polygamy ?

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Polygamy is a marriage with more than two people - nothing else. We don't allow it in the US - and if we did then the 'age of consent' would still apply.

In some cultures it's done for a very specific purpose - polyandry (1 wife - many husbands) in some regions of India is adhered to between one wife and brothers. The brothers aren't married to each other - and they are permitted to marry one wife so when they have children they won't be expected to divide the family 'farm' up between them all . . .and so on. It allows a family to support itself on their land and subsist without conflicts of property and land disputes and without further reducing the size of the land the family owns.

If one does not want to engage in said practice - they have to move and find their own land. . .which is not as easy as it sounds: because most farm able and livable land is already owned.

Aunt Spiker said:

Polygamy is a marriage with more than two people - nothing else. We don't allow it in the US - and if we did then the 'age of consent' would still apply.

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we dont allow either

but they defend polygamy because those people are consent to do it

Medusa said:

we dont allow either

but they defend polygamy because those people are consent to do it

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Right. We were talking about ADULTS consenting to a polygamous marriage. Not children who are under the legal age of consent.

ChrisL said:

You said what is the difference if it is a person a little bit older. Well, if there are no age of consent laws in place, then a 30-year-old man could most certainly have a sexual relationship and a marriage with a 10-year-old child.

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10 year old girl is adult ?

l dont even support any marriage until they reach a necessary emotional maturity

anyone can understand what l mean

however you are the one who accuses me of lying

nobody forced you to have sex when you were 16

why dont you accept it was your decision or fault
whatever

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Right. We were talking about ADULTS consenting to a polygamous marriage. Not children who are under the legal age of consent.

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were you child while you gave birth to your son ?

of course not ,but you were not emotionally mature ,tahts all.

Cyrylek said:

Hey, I feel weird defending Carter, but most of the major policy changes attributed to Carter this days were actually introduced by Richard Nixon. Hell, he abolished the gold standard and went as far as direct price controls, Soviet-style. Yet he was elected and re-elected by a landslide of epic proportions, on the strength of older voters. Making bad choices is not limited to the young age, especially when options are limited.

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Nixon won because we are, and were, a center-right country, and the Dems ran people from the far left against him.

And many of the social programs Libs love were actually STARTED by Nixon, despite the fact that people keep trying to label him a conservative.

Of course, we wouldn't have NEEDED those price controls if Johnson hadn't have tried to finance his "Great Society," and the Vietnam war, by printing more money.

Right now, Obama's done the same thing, but that money hasn't "gained velocity" yet, because the banks still are reluctant to lend.

One of the reason Obama doesn't WANT a strong recovery is he KNOWS inflation is going to TAKE OFF when that happens...

Of course, idiot Dems will probably blame it on a Republican when it does.

Medusa said:

10 year old girl is adult ?

l dont even support any marriage until they reach a necessary emotional maturity

anyone can understand what l mean

however you are the one who accuses me of lying

nobody forced you to have sex when you were 16

why dont you accept it was your decision or fault
whatever

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Here you go again, going off on a tangent. If you don't knock it off, I'll just place you on ignore. I'm getting tired of your dishonest arguments, and this time I am not going to apologize. YOU are bringing it upon yourself with your ridiculous arguments that don't make any sense and your personal attacks on people who disagree with you, and then your crying it about later as if you are some kind of victim. Really, it's making me want to puke.

ChrisL said:

You said what is the difference if it is a person a little bit older. Well, if there are no age of consent laws in place, then a 30-year-old man could most certainly have a sexual relationship and a marriage with a 10-year-old child.

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l am not talking about an age of gap like 20 years or more

please " a little " doesnt mean " 20 years older "

ChrisL said:

So what do you consider a teenager? An adult? And tell me how allowing men or women to have sex with 16 year olds would advance or help society in any way. I can give at least a dozen ways on how it can hurt a society.

An individual does not take precedence over what is BEST for everyone else in society. Even if they are horny for young teenagers.

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Teenagers: 13-18. Adults: Anyone over 18. Now these, of course, are arbitrary lines. Maturity happens at different times for different people. Some people never mature no matter how old they get. Others, due to life's circumstances, are forced to mature very quickly. I know that I was way, waaaaay more mature at 15 than my daughter is today at almost 18. Her life has simply been a lot easier than mine. She can even get away with being a silly, carefree girl for a while longer. I wasn't so lucky.

My country considers 16 year olds as sexually mature, but there are limitations. Until their 18th birthday the age difference between sex partners must not be greater than 3 years. I'm okay with that on principle. That said, I'm not willing to discount the reality than many girls and boys that age are mature enough for a relationship with someone who's much older. The law has to draw the line somewhere to protect the majority who won't be mature enough to handle it and I'm okay with that. What I'm trying to say is that I wouldn't go out and try and press charges if my daughter happened to date some 22 year old guy, especially if she was mature enough to handle it. On principle, I agree with the law. On a personal basis, I prefer going the case by case approach.

Hope that made sense, I'm at work and constantly being distracted.

Medusa said:

l am not talking about an age oıf gap like 20 years or more

please " a little " doesnt mean " 20 years older "

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Really, I don't care. YOU are being dishonest again. YOU can't decide what you think is right or wrong. You contradict yourself constantly.

Arcana XV said:

Teenagers: 13-18. Adults: Anyone over 18. Now these, of course, are arbitrary lines. Maturity happens at different times for different people. Some people never mature no matter how old they get. Others, due to life's circumstances, are forced to mature very quickly. I know that I was way, waaaaay more mature at 15 than my daughter is today at almost 18. Her life has simply been a lot easier than mine. She can even get away with being a silly, carefree girl for a while longer. I wasn't so lucky.

My country considers 16 year olds as sexually mature, but there are limitations. Until their 18th birthday the age difference between sex partners must not be greater than 3 years. I'm okay with that on principle. That said, I'm not willing to discount the reality than many girls and boys that age are mature enough for a relationship with someone who's much older. The law has to draw the line somewhere to protect the majority who won't be mature enough to handle it and I'm okay with that. What I'm trying to say is that I wouldn't go out and try and press charges if my daughter happened to date some 22 year old guy, especially if she was mature enough to handle it. On principle, I agree with the law. On a personal basis, I prefer going the case by case approach.

Hope that made sense, I'm at work and constantly being distracted.

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I can agree with that. It makes complete sense to me.

ChrisL said:

Here you go again, going off on a tangent. If you don't knock it off, I'll just place you on ignore. I'm getting tired of your dishonest arguments, and this time I am not going to apologize. YOU are bringing it upon yourself with your ridiculous arguments that don't make any sense and your personal attacks on people who disagree with you, and then your crying it about later as if you are some kind of victim. Really, it's making me want to puke.

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l am dishonest okay

please show where l claimed 10 years old girls should be allowed to marry ?

,
anybody can see who is lying

l cant believe in you

ChrisL said:

Really, I don't care. YOU are being dishonest again. YOU can't decide what you think is right or wrong. You contradict yourself constantly.

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but you decide polygamy is right!!

you mention your experiences then accuses me of attacking.

l a m trying to point out it was your own decision

you were consent

l am against such perversions and you still try to claim l support pedophilic marriages

who is dishonest????

Arcana XV said:

Teenagers: 13-18. Adults: Anyone over 18. Now these, of course, are arbitrary lines. Maturity happens at different times for different people. Some people never mature no matter how old they get. Others, due to life's circumstances, are forced to mature very quickly. I know that I was way, waaaaay more mature at 15 than my daughter is today at almost 18. Her life has simply been a lot easier than mine. She can even get away with being a silly, carefree girl for a while longer. I wasn't so lucky.

My country considers 16 year olds as sexually mature, but there are limitations. Until their 18th birthday the age difference between sex partners must not be greater than 3 years. I'm okay with that on principle. That said, I'm not willing to discount the reality than many girls and boys that age are mature enough for a relationship with someone who's much older. The law has to draw the line somewhere to protect the majority who won't be mature enough to handle it and I'm okay with that. What I'm trying to say is that I wouldn't go out and try and press charges if my daughter happened to date some 22 year old guy, especially if she was mature enough to handle it. On principle, I agree with the law. On a personal basis, I prefer going the case by case approach.

Hope that made sense, I'm at work and constantly being distracted.

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according to her ,l support pedophilic marriages.interesting

"a little " means at least 20 year gap according to her

Medusa said:

we dont allow either

but they defend polygamy because those people are consent to do it

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Who does? People who live in countries who want to practice polygamy? Or people who live in countries that already permit polygamy?

As far as the age-of-consent goes in countries other than the US it depends on the social-construct. In the US we are 'individualists' - we expect to meet someone, fall in love, and have a family with that person - if we want to. Of course - other cultures are this same way, it's not just a US thing.

IN contrast: In other cultures marriage is not a 'when you meet someone and fall in love' individualist concept . . . it's a familial concern. In such a situation it's the parents who make the decisions on behalf of one or two minors involved. They make the arrangements with the other parent / family. They find a suitable family / partner for their daughter or son. Meet the family, discuss the marriage situation, and consider it - both families have to approve of each other. They may or may not be concerned with whether the two to-be-married 'love' each other . . . they at least might want them to 'like' each other. The decision isn't made on love or with the consideration of the 'maturity' of the individuals. It's made with the benefit to the family: what kind of children will they have. Will everyone benefit in some way?

In such cultures - I imagine that if a male meets and falls in love with a female and wants to marry her - he must still go about it in the 'right' way - getting both families to talk it over, approve, and want to arrange the marriage.

So - in some cultures age-of-consent doesn't matter when it comes to marriage (polygamy or monogamy wouldn't matter in this regard) because the parents have the final-say and make the decision. The male/female to be married do not.

Thus - it makes sense that the female in such a situation is more likely to be underage (but not always) - because he is expected to support her and their children. To do so - generally speaking - the male must be older / employed / capable if he is to provide.

It's all based on society norms and cultural views - and who is expected to do what.

I think the law should be changed to.. if person over 18 has sex with someone under 18, there would have to be at least a 3 year age difference. So in essence.. an 18 year old could not be convicted of rape if his / her partner is at least 15+ years old. Or if a 20 year old has a 17 year old partner, that should not be illegal. I don't see the point in ruining someones life over sleeping with an underage person if it is consensual and the age difference is less than 3 years.

Capster78 said:

I think the law should be changed to.. if person over 18 has sex with someone under 18, there would have to be at least a 3 year age difference. So in essence.. an 18 year old could not be convicted of rape if his / her partner is at least 15+ years old. Or if a 20 year old has a 17 year old partner, that should not be illegal. I don't see the point in ruining someones life over sleeping with an underage person if it is consensual and the age difference is less than 3 years.

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That's pretty much what it is (in my state) - difference of 4 years.

Works for me . . . though of course - the closer one gets *to* the age of consent the less of a concern it is for me.

Aunt Spiker said:

Who does? People who live in countries who want to practice polygamy? Or people who live in countries that already permit polygamy?

As far as the age-of-consent goes in countries other than the US it depends on the social-construct. In the US we are 'individualists' - we expect to meet someone, fall in love, and have a family with that person - if we want to. Of course - other cultures are this same way, it's not just a US thing.

IN contrast: In other cultures marriage is not a 'when you meet someone and fall in love' individualist concept . . . it's a familial concern. In such a situation it's the parents who make the decisions on behalf of one or two minors involved. They make the arrangements with the other parent / family. They find a suitable family / partner for their daughter or son. Meet the family, discuss the marriage situation, and consider it - both families have to approve of each other. They may or may not be concerned with whether the two to-be-married 'love' each other . . . they at least might want them to 'like' each other. The decision isn't made on love or with the consideration of the 'maturity' of the individuals. It's made with the benefit to the family: what kind of children will they have. Will everyone benefit in some way?

In such cultures - I imagine that if a male meets and falls in love with a female and wants to marry her - he must still go about it in the 'right' way - getting both families to talk it over, approve, and want to arrange the marriage.

So - in some cultures age-of-consent doesn't matter when it comes to marriage (polygamy or monogamy wouldn't matter in this regard) because the parents have the final-say and make the decision. The male/female to be married do not.

Thus - it makes sense that the female in such a situation is more likely to be underage (but not always) - because he is expected to support her and their children. To do so - generally speaking - the male must be older / employed / capable if he is to provide.

It's all based on society norms and cultural views - and who is expected to do what.

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do you think it is collectivist here ?


l know you are individualist but many still think abortion is wrong for instance

to be against it is against individualism too

l mean our criterion is not patriarchal cultures. or culturel differences..

To answer the poll question - the age they start paying taxes and become contributing members of society at large.

Medusa said:

according to her ,l support pedophilic marriages.interesting

"a little " means at least 20 year gap according to her

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Who are you talking to??? :shock:

Medusa said:

do you think it is collectivist here ?


l know you are individualist but many still think abortion is wrong for instance

to be against it is against individualism too

l mean our criterion is not patriarchal cultures. or culturel differences..

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It's all complicated - that's for sure. Every culture is different and so is every nation.

What is it in Turkey?

Overall: I believe that because of our vast social and cultural differences there is no 'one right age of consent to apply globally' - each nation has developed it's own beliefs.

(Medusa - I think some people respond to some of your posts on such things without realizing you're not in the US . . . and that makes them sound like idiots . . . I'm trying not to sound like an idiot - is it working )

Aunt Spiker said:

It's all complicated - that's for sure. Every culture is different and so is every nation.

What is it in Turkey?

Overall: I believe that because of our vast social and cultural differences there is no 'one right age of consent to apply globally' - each nation has developed it's own beliefs.

(Medusa - I think some people respond to some of your posts on such things without realizing you're not in the US . . . and that makes them sound like idiots . . . I'm trying not to sound like an idiot - is it working )

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What makes people upset is when she attributes things to them which they never said and uses dishonesty in her arguments. That is NOT a "cultural difference."

Arcana XV said:

Who are you talking to??? :shock:

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not you :2razz:

ChrisL said:

No one is a victim in that case unless sex was forced by one upon the other. Because they are of the same age and experience level generally speaking.

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Neither is legal age of consent, and therefore no perp unless force was used. And forcible rape is a crime no matter what your age. That is the legal foundation for teen sex not being criminalized.

Oh, I didn't know Medusa was not in the US. But I don't think that tainted my posts on the issue. In the Netherlands the age of consent for sex is 16, I believe.