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Iraq War lies, past and present, and punishments?

Should lying Mass Media be punished?

  • Yes, but for a lack of professional journalism.

    Votes: 1 9.1%

  • No, they told the truth.

    Votes: 3 27.3%

  • Yes, for collusion to promote a false agenda.

    Votes: 4 36.4%

  • No, they were just doing a favor to get inside access.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • If they lied before, they are lying now?

    Votes: 1 9.1%

  • This just represents Mass Media manipulation and is normal.

    Votes: 6 54.5%
  • Total voters
    11
  • Poll closed .
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How the Iraq War Was Sold

"The Washington Post continues to allow former members of the Bush administration, including President George W. Bush, to distort the case for going to war against Iraq in 2003 and to blame the intelligence from the Central Intelligence Agency for the decision to use force.In the “Outlook” section on Feb. 3 (“Still Fighting over a flawed case for war”), the Post cites memoirs from six key decision-makers, who are unwilling to acknowledge that the Iraq War was a deadly undertaking paved by lies and deceit.
It was never a case of whether the White House distorted the intelligence it received on Iraq or whether the Central Intelligence Agency provided bad intelligence to the White House. In fact, both the White House and the CIA had a hand in the distortion of intelligence and both contributed to making the phony case for war to the Congress and the American people."

Where Are They Now? The Reporters Who Got Iraq So Wrong

"Ten years ago today, Colin Powell made the Bush administration's case for going to war against Iraq. Much of what he said about Iraq's threats to the United States was false. But the media coverage gave the opposite impression, and most of the pundits and journalists who promoted the justifications for the war paid no price for their failures."

Is the Patriot Act necessary or an over-reaction to these lies?
Is Homeland Security necessary?
Is the TSA necessary?
Did the war waste a Trillion dollars of public money?
Does the public at large really care or want to know?
Why do we allow the perpetuation of these myths?
Did any particular group profit handsomely from this war?
What were the real reasons for the war?
As Citizens, "Do we not want to believe we've been bamboozled?"
 
truth-out.org?
 
Economic motives?
 
DaveFagan said:
Truth, like gold, is where you find it. Try answering the questions.
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You're not gonna find gold in a pile of crap. You know this, right?

If you do not mind, I'll question the source before I take it seriously. Alright... let's see... truther.org! Ok, not gonna believe. Done.

Why is this thread not in CT, it claims long-standing and large-group-requiring lies by the US government.
 
RDS said:
Economic motives?
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A few possibilities.

Weapons manufacturers made a huge profit. Some of the largest lobbyists to our politicians.
Oil industries have Iraqi OIL in their pipelines and tankers and refineries. Saddam wouldn't allow that.
Banks are dealing with large volumes of Iraqi profits, not hawala.
Haliburton, KBR, Z, and they are too numerous to mention.
We spent a trillion dollars on Iraq, and that money still moves somewhere.
 
ecofarm said:
You're not gonna find gold in a pile of crap. You know this, right?

If you do not mind, I'll question the source before I take it seriously. Alright... let's see... truther.org! Ok, not gonna believe. Done.

Why is this thread not in CT, it claims long-standing and large-group-requiring lies by the US government.
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I don't want to confuse you, but you could have selected the poll option. "No, they told the truth."
 
DaveFagan said:
I don't want to confuse you, but you could have selected the poll option. "No, they told the truth."
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Thanks, but I'm not really interested in the poll. I'm more interested in how truther.org, claiming the US government has a massive conspiracy for years, ends up in the Polls subforum.

You see, I'm indicting the source and the premise. Poll? Don't care.
 
dave, it was an sane as the war in vietnam
 
justabubba said:
dave, it was an sane as the war in vietnam
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Yes, because Vietnam was in violation of 17 Chapter 7 UNCRS, had committed genocide twice, sold food causing 400k children to die, fired at enforcement planes in the international no fly zone created to prevent further genocide and pretended to be developing and have WMDs.
 
ecofarm said:
Thanks, but I'm not really interested in the poll. I'm more interested in how truther.org, claiming the US government has a massive conspiracy for years, ends up in the Polls subforum.

You see, I'm indicting the source and the premise. Poll? Don't care.
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Some people keep their head in a bucket so bad information doesn't penetrate, but that also keeps out the good information. I think that could apply here. Perhaps that is what the Media did, don't you think? This is the tenth anniversary of the Iraq War and the lies that initiated the War are common knowledge and even admitted to by Colin Powell and others. I'm just trying to see if people understand or care or are mesmerized by the press. It's working, don't you think?
 
DaveFagan said:
... the lies... I'm just trying to see if people understand or care or are mesmerized by the press.
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Look at your "press" (truther.org). Talk about mesmerized. If all these "lies" are so well known, you'd have a source that an elementary student could respect.
 
ecofarm said:
Look at your "press" (truther.org). Talk about mesmerized. If all these "lies" are so well known, you'd have a source that an elementary student could respect.
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All I can figure is that you are calling Colin Powell a liar for admitting that his UN Speech was hugely innacurate. That's correct. He lied! It's history, not a fable.
 
DaveFagan said:
All I can figure is that you are calling Colin Powell a liar for admitting that his UN Speech was hugely innacurate. That's correct. He lied! It's history, not a fable.
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Hugely inaccurate does not mean "a lie". Your entire conspiracy theory position is based on 'wrong equals lying'. So, if all these "lies" are so well known... why do you use a joke source?
 
DaveFagan said:
How the Iraq War Was Sold

"The Washington Post continues to allow former members of the Bush administration, including President George W. Bush, to distort the case for going to war against Iraq in 2003 and to blame the intelligence from the Central Intelligence Agency for the decision to use force.In the “Outlook” section on Feb. 3 (“Still Fighting over a flawed case for war”), the Post cites memoirs from six key decision-makers, who are unwilling to acknowledge that the Iraq War was a deadly undertaking paved by lies and deceit.
It was never a case of whether the White House distorted the intelligence it received on Iraq or whether the Central Intelligence Agency provided bad intelligence to the White House. In fact, both the White House and the CIA had a hand in the distortion of intelligence and both contributed to making the phony case for war to the Congress and the American people."

Where Are They Now? The Reporters Who Got Iraq So Wrong

"Ten years ago today, Colin Powell made the Bush administration's case for going to war against Iraq. Much of what he said about Iraq's threats to the United States was false. But the media coverage gave the opposite impression, and most of the pundits and journalists who promoted the justifications for the war paid no price for their failures."

Is the Patriot Act necessary or an over-reaction to these lies?
Is Homeland Security necessary?
Is the TSA necessary?
Did the war waste a Trillion dollars of public money?
Does the public at large really care or want to know?
Why do we allow the perpetuation of these myths?
Did any particular group profit handsomely from this war?
What were the real reasons for the war?
As Citizens, "Do we not want to believe we've been bamboozled?"
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If you want to prove something, using bat**** insane sources is entirely the wrong way to go about it. Wrong does not mean lies, and you have shown zero evidence any one knew that they where lying. This stuff is done and over with, get over it.
 
DaveFagan said:
When somethiong is not true, it is a "lie."
Another link. Gotta go shovel some snow, back soon.

Colin Powell regrets U.N. speech justifying the Iraq invasion | The Raw Story
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That article does not contain the word 'lie' or 'lying'.

“Of course I regret that a lot of it turned out be wrong,” he said.

But Powell insisted a lot of his intelligence was “on point.”

If Saddam Hussein stayed there, and his regime stayed in place, and he got out of U.N. sanctions, you would have seen weapons of mass destruction.”
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Is Powell lying?

Looks like you did enough shovelling for one day already, why don't you take a break.
 
ecofarm said:
That article does not contain the word 'lie' or 'lying'.



Is Powell lying?

Looks like you did enough shovelling for one day already, why don't you take a break.
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No mobile weapons labs.
No WMDs.
No yellowcake from Niger.
No missile tubes.
Since none of these were true, then they are by definition "lies."
Your investigative reporters are supposed to catch and reveal lies. In this case, like Judith Miller, they were part of the deception.

Again, if it's not true, it is a lie. Not complicated. When a politician's lips move, is he lying? That is innate wisdom of the proletariot.

It's the tenth anniversary of Iraq and if we were decieved, how do we react and make appropriate change? Is it ongoing? What do you think, or perhaps you don't?

Hard to type, fingers are still frozen.
 
DaveFagan said:
No mobile weapons labs.
No WMDs.
No yellowcake from Niger.
No missile tubes.
Since none of these were true, then they are by definition "lies."
Your investigative reporters are supposed to catch and reveal lies. In this case, like Judith Miller, they were part of the deception.

Again, if it's not true, it is a lie. Not complicated. When a politician's lips move, is he lying? That is innate wisdom of the proletariot.

It's the tenth anniversary of Iraq and if we were decieved, how do we react and make appropriate change? Is it ongoing? What do you think, or perhaps you don't?

Hard to type, fingers are still frozen.
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Enough shovelling, you must be exausted. How about another source, this time one with something about lying.
 
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