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Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

Are Nazis or Communists worse?

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Nazism wouldn't work out for me. So Communism it has to be.
 
Juiposa said:
Which of the two listed above are worse for you?

Me? Nazis without a doubt.
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Joseph Stalin's regime persecuted, ostracized, and killed far more people during his reign than the Germans. Milosevic was another genocidal bastard most don't even remember, and then there's Pol Pot, Mao, Castro, and many others like them. Communism is worse simply because it proliferated, whereas fascism was snuffed out for the most part with the end of the Second World War.
 
specklebang said:
From what I read on DP we are already a Communist nation and that's working out pretty good for me. I don't know how Nazi-ism would work out for me.
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Nah, we're much closer to fascism than communism. We just cut out the nasty bits that are most commonly associated with people like Hitler, Franco, and Mussolini.
 
German guy said:
If you ask me to chose between Nazi Germany and certain examples of Communism, such as the USSR under Stalin or Cambodia and the Khmer Rouge, it's really hard to chose -- similar death count, similar disregard for human dignity, similar kind of totalitarian rule.
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I'm not sure the death count is similar when we include the KR. I think they're credited by some with killing more than a 1/4 of the population of Cambodia.
 
I was being a bit facetious and I honestly can't figure out exactly what we (as a Nation) have become. As a retiree, I'm kind of disconnected even though I read extensively. The opinions tend to overwhelm the facts.



Surtr said:
Nah, we're much closer to fascism than communism. We just cut out the nasty bits that are most commonly associated with people like Hitler, Franco, and Mussolini.
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Dr. Chuckles said:
I'm not sure the death count is similar when we include the KR. I think they're credited by some with killing more than a 1/4 of the population of Cambodia.
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The KR were responsible for around 1.5 million deaths. They claimed it was communism. It wasn't remotely related to anything to be found in the writings of Marx or Engels. The Kim's also claim to be communists, but they are nationalists and equality isn't anywhere on their agenda.

I wouldn't really much separate the workings of Mao, Stalin or Hitler by very much other than rhetoric. It's not about left versus right, but tyranny versus humanity.
 
specklebang said:
I was being a bit facetious and I honestly can't figure out exactly what we (as a Nation) have become. As a retiree, I'm kind of disconnected even though I read extensively. The opinions tend to overwhelm the facts.
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I figured. We're a hybrid system. Mixed economy, authoritarian policies here, lenient policies elsewhere, some industries are state controlled, others are "free market", etc. There's no one system we're working from. We aren't capitalist, marxist, fascist, or any other "ist" or "ism", but we take a lot from every one of them. Right now we seem to have a strong lean towards fascism, imo. Ten years from now, who knows what socioeconomic structure we'll be leaning most towards.
 
Andalublue said:
The KR were responsible for around 1.5 million deaths. They claimed it was communism. It wasn't remotely related to anything to be found in the writings of Marx or Engels. The Kim's also claim to be communists, but they are nationalists and equality isn't anywhere on their agenda.

I wouldn't really much separate the workings of Mao, Stalin or Hitler by very much other than rhetoric. It's not about left versus right, but tyranny versus humanity.
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I wasn't really claiming the killing in cambodia was the work of communism, just that what the KR accomplished, When considering demographics, far out strips the nazis and Stalin.

Though I will say your argument above does read like the no true Scottsman fallacy. And regardless if you agree with their interp of communism (I don't), or not, that is how they still defined themselves
 
I really don't get these debates. Why are we interested in quantifying groups of people like this? What all of these regimes did was evil. They tried to wipe out whole classes of people and murdered millions. We can argue over how successful they were, but Pachendale is right, they all had the same exact aim, total power, no matter the cost and no matter how many bodies had to make up the foundation. They both monuments to the degradation and enslavement of their fellow man. To say which is more evil is to say look at a Labrador and a Golden Retriever and say which one is more of a dog. It's absurd.
 
Muhammed said:
Communists and Nazis are both hardcore leftist totalitarians and just plain evil.
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Andalublue said:
It makes far-righties feel better to believe that it is, Medusa, even though they share a lot of beliefs with the Nazis.
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Nazism and Fascism in general are neither left-wing nor right-wing. Fascism was deliberately created as an alternative to the left-right dichotomy in politics. It borrows many elements from different ideologies.
 
Which were the Japanese?
Which came first?
What agreements did they have with each other?
 
Andalublue said:
It makes far-righties feel better to believe that it is, Medusa, even though they share a lot of beliefs with the Nazis.
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Really?

Perhaps you could cite a few examples?

It appears to anyone with sense that a political party that called itself socialist, and who's practitioners went around Germany for decades preaching about the glories of socialism, was in fact SOCIALIST.....
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
Nazism and Fascism in general are neither left-wing nor right-wing. Fascism was deliberately created as an alternative to the left-right dichotomy in politics. It borrows many elements from different ideologies.
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That would be incorrect.

Both are left-wing.
 
Wayno said:
Really?

Perhaps you could cite a few examples?

It appears to anyone with sense that a political party that called itself socialist, and who's practitioners went around Germany for decades preaching about the glories of socialism, was in fact SOCIALIST.....
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Night of the Long Knives - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the great thing about the nazis were they were what ever you needed them to be. Hence the endless number of contradictory statements from the Fuhrer on what he actually was and represented, politically and religiously
 
Wayno said:
That would be incorrect.

Both are left-wing.
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The fact that this argument is as intractable as it is, shows how painfully useless the Left-Right spectrum (a system meant to elucidate one's political position) really is. To put Nazism on the same side of the spectrum as anarcho-communists (or on the right with minarchist libertarians for that matter) shows that attempts to call Nazism "left-wing" or "right-wing" is futile. Nazism and Fascism have simply become catch-all terms for political views that we don't like. The Nazis did institute many traditionally social democratic policies, but they also did promote many things traditionally seen as conservative such as nationalism and support for propertied interests. Things are complicated even more by the fact that the Nazis were never a homogeneous group. Before Hitler fully consolidated his power, there were various factions of the Nazi Party, including ones that did really take the "socialist" in "National Socialist" to heart, but they were purged in the Night of the Long Knives. It's important to understand the Nazis, and I am just as loath to calling them "right-wing" as I am to calling them "left-wing." However, simply trying to fit them into this or that category muddles their true history and any attempt to understand them or their rise to power.
 
I'm gonna go with Nazis.

You can at least cross paths with a nice communist. However, the words nice and Nazi never belong in the same sentence.
 
Communism is worse. It's killed more people by far.
 
DrunkenAsparagus;1061431320The Nazis did institute many traditionally social democratic policies said:
Nonsense.

Is North Korea Conservative?

Is there a more nationalistic place in the world?

Hitler HATED the wealthy land owners in Germany, as well..........

Here, educate yourself.........


An American Form of Government - YouTube
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Your chances of survival in a run of the mill Communist regime are much higher than under the Third Reich. The choice is obvious.
 
If the choice was between a Fascist regime and a Communist one I'd pick run of the mill Fascist. I'd wager life being better, easier, and more survivable in Spain, Italy, or Greece, than most of the counter examples.
 
LoyalAmerican said:
You need an option "both".
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No, there is no option for both. You may indeed hate both like me and probably everyone here, but which do you dislike more. If you cannot decide there is always rootabega.
 
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