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Why are there so few female mass murderers?

Why are there so few female mass murderers?

  • Is it because males can't handle social rejection as well as females?

    Votes: 2 6.5%

  • Are men just more violent than women?

    Votes: 17 54.8%

  • Other, please explain.

    Votes: 13 41.9%
  • Total voters
    31
  • Poll closed .
Harry Guerrilla said:
Really, you used the study to support your opinion that the U.S. is/has more mass murder.
Then the study says it shouldn't be used as such.

It doesn't validate your opinion at all.
Hilarious that you hang on to such opinions, even when your own information disputes it.
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Which study are you talking about?
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
Where is the insult?
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"Seems all you're here to do is preach your ideology"

"In most threads you participate in, you come to a conclusion and try to beat everyone over the head with it. "
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
There are women mass killers, there are very few but even one is a awful occurrence, like Theresa knorr.
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I wouldn't say she was a serial killer..

More like infanticide...
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Funny, yet I saw neither the terms "hyper-militarized" nor "rich countries" used in your source theory discussion. ;)
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I posted this earlier:


"Mass murder is defined as “the sudden, intentional
killing of more than one person in the same location and at the
same time, usually by a single person” (Palermo & Ross, 1999,
p.8). Turvey (2008) notes that the problem of mass murders is
not unique to the United States. However, Hamamoto (2002)
argues that the United States produce most of the world’s mass
murderers because of a “blow back” by civilians scripting
violence in a hyper-militarised America which started with the
increasing military adventures after World War II. Research on
mass murder is relatively limited when compared to other
forms of multiple homicide (Bowers, et al, 2010), yet several
authors have identified descriptive characteristics, patterns, and
typologies that differentiate mass murder from other forms of
multiple murder and from murder in general (Fox & Levin,
2012, Bowers, et al, 2010, Bartol & Bartol, 2011).


The rich countries that have less mass murders than the US is from other studies that show that:
"The U.S. has far more gun-related killings than any other developed country"
Chart: The U.S. has far more gun-related killings than any other developed country
 
Cyrylek said:
You are not listening. Let's say it was 24. Oh, what the hell, let's "round it up" to 100! There, we had (or could have, who knows) 100 mass shootings in the last seven years! A whopping 0.32 per million of population. But those vicious Finns - they had 0.4 per million! (Two shootings).
Conclusion: Finland is 125% as violent as we are. Nonsense, right?

Statistics regarding rare events is basically useless. We cannot claim that "American society has more mass shootings than any other".
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I don't get your math. If Finland had 2 mass killings in the last seven years. Then with our 24, we've had 12 times the number of mass shootings as Finland in the last 7 years.
 
Catawba said:
I don't get your math. If Finland had 2 mass killings in the last seven years. Then with our 24, we've had 12 times the number of mass shootings as Finland in the last 7 years.
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Please tell me you are joking.

Finland: 5 million people.
USA: 315 million people.

When we are talking about America supposedly having more mass shootings than other countries - we surely mean the rate, per capita, right?
 
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Catawba said:
Is it because males do not handle social rejection as well as females?

Are males just more violent than females?

Or other, an please explain;

Thanks!
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I'm surprised that throughout this whole thread no one brought in the stats . . . bring in the stats I cry!

http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial Killer Information Center/Serial Killer Statistics.pdf

Enjoyment (thrill, lust) is the #1 reason - (accounting for 48%) - which account for the frequency of rape.
Financial Gain is #2 (31%)

The US has produced over 2,000
Italy is next with 100
It goes down from there.

The general statistic of the serial killer use to be a white male in his late 20's - but when you look at facts decade by decade you'll see a shift - it use to be more common (the generalized stat) in the earlier decades of the 20th c - but in recent decades it has started to shift - in the 1990's it tipped towards blacks becoming serial killers over whites and has remained that way.

Also - the earlier decades netted a greater percentage of women - still outnumbered by men but it's tapered off.


Goshin said:
All I'm going to say is what I've observed in previous law enforcement experience:

Lots more men "go bad" than women... about ten times more.


HOWEVER... when women "go bad" they tend to go WAY bad, off the scale, scary-as-hell bad.


I don't know why this is, but this is what I've observed.
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Yeah - if we set up a weighted scale . . . women would top it off, I bet you - like: killing children is worse - motive and means of killing is . . . like the Spinster Sisters who had an 'adoption agency' - and they just took unwanted babies, killed them, and kept the money. Hundreds of babies.
 
Catawba said:
I posted this earlier:


"Mass murder is defined as “the sudden, intentional
killing of more than one person in the same location and at the
same time, usually by a single person” (Palermo & Ross, 1999,
p.8). Turvey (2008) notes that the problem of mass murders is
not unique to the United States. However, Hamamoto (2002)
argues that the United States produce most of the world’s mass
murderers because of a “blow back” by civilians scripting
violence in a hyper-militarised America which started with the
increasing military adventures after World War II. Research on
mass murder is relatively limited when compared to other
forms of multiple homicide (Bowers, et al, 2010), yet several
authors have identified descriptive characteristics, patterns, and
typologies that differentiate mass murder from other forms of
multiple murder and from murder in general (Fox & Levin,
2012, Bowers, et al, 2010, Bartol & Bartol, 2011).


The rich countries that have less mass murders than the US is from other studies that show that:
"The U.S. has far more gun-related killings than any other developed country"
Chart: The U.S. has far more gun-related killings than any other developed country
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Again you use correlation and a few windbags that have their own "academic study based" theories to advance. Clever use of "developed countries" to exclude all of the world except Europe proves nothing either. Do you seriously believe the China, Russia or many other totalitarian states release (advertise?) valid crime statistics? We both know that mass murder, by the gov't itself, is common in many "developed" countries, yet these "do not count" as mass murder in these la-la land "studies". Of course people with free access to guns will commit more "gun crime". Again, limitting mass murders even further to only "mass shootings" and only in these carefully selected countries can prove anything that you want it to. When commiting a crime, specfically murder, one uses the best tool to enhance their power that is available, in many cases that is a gun. During prohibition, when gangs armed with automatic weapons ruled the "speak easy" alcohol business, gun crime was at an all time high, yet let us forget that detail and concentrate on recent "mass shootings" since WWII, by insane morons, that occur a whopping 2 times per year, on average, in a nation with 300 million guns (in civilian hands) and 310 million people.
 
Catawba said:
Multiple chimps attacking a single chimp, is not mass murder, that is gang violence.
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I thought there were countless cases of one chimp killing many as well. Same too with dolphins. Seems our more intelligent animal friends kill each other often, seemingly for fun.
Marine experts now believe that these displays of attacks on non-rival, non-predatory, peace-loving porpoises and, more shockingly, of dolphin infanticide, may have always taken place.
It is only now, with dolphins' more human-friendly behaviour taking them closer to tourist boats and beaches, that the violence is being witnessed first hand. Until the shocking realisation, dolphin-watchers in America had believed they were watching the mammals at play with their young.
Killer dolphins baffle marine experts - Telegraph
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calamity said:
I thought there were countless cases of one chimp killing many as well. Same too with dolphins. Seems our more intelligent animal friends kill each other often, seemingly for fun.
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On that - what i think is wrong is what we *think* we know . . . we only classify dolphins as peaceful because *to us* that's what they are.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
The US has produced over 2,000
Italy is next with 100
It goes down from there.
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This is a much more serious distinction, if true.

I suspect, however, that a lot of this staggering difference has to do with reporting and definitions. Russia, for example, never had "serial killers" before the collapse of the USSR - only "recidivist murderers". Law enforcement agencies in different countries have different resources and different methods - some compile databases of similar cases and profile suspects, some do not. Most perfectly happy to apprehend a murderer, and do not make any effort to screen through unsolved cases he could be also responsible for. In the USA, nailing a serial killer is the Nobel Prize for policemen and prosecutors. In Japan, it is a source of eternal shame for the community. And so forth.

Another factor worth paying attention to is the frequency of involuntary treatment of mentally ill in different countries. (I remember reading about Italy being the only country in the EU that does not assess danger the patient may pose to others, only medical need). I certainly do not want to find a strong correlation there, but it's not always what we want...

Can't find any stats right away, though.
 
Catawba said:
Is it because males do not handle social rejection as well as females?

Are males just more violent than females?

Or other, an please explain;

Thanks!
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Testostorone. Men naturally have ~10x as much of it as women do. Its quite well documented that when individuals take exogenous androgens, they are more prone to showing aggressive and/or violent behavior. I'm sure there are other factors that go into why someone becomes a serial killer instead of just a killer or a violent person or even just an aggressive personality; but the reason why there are few women serial killers is women simply do not have the biological drive to commit violence that men do.
 
calamity said:
I thought there were countless cases of one chimp killing many as well. Same too with dolphins. Seems our more intelligent animal friends kill each other often, seemingly for fun.
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Do dolphins in some oceans kill more than those in other oceans? Because that is what is happening with people in different developed nations. If they don't, its not an apt analogy.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Again you use correlation and a few windbags that have their own "academic study based" theories to advance. Clever use of "developed countries" to exclude all of the world except Europe proves nothing either. Do you seriously believe the China, Russia or many other totalitarian states release (advertise?) valid crime statistics? We both know that mass murder, by the gov't itself, is common in many "developed" countries, yet these "do not count" as mass murder in these la-la land "studies". Of course people with free access to guns will commit more "gun crime". Again, limitting mass murders even further to only "mass shootings" and only in these carefully selected countries can prove anything that you want it to. When commiting a crime, specfically murder, one uses the best tool to enhance their power that is available, in many cases that is a gun. During prohibition, when gangs armed with automatic weapons ruled the "speak easy" alcohol business, gun crime was at an all time high, yet let us forget that detail and concentrate on recent "mass shootings" since WWII, by insane morons, that occur a whopping 2 times per year, on average, in a nation with 300 million guns (in civilian hands) and 310 million people.
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Baloney!..........
 
Cyrylek said:
Please tell me you are joking.

Finland: 5 million people.
USA: 315 million people.

When we are talking about America supposedly having more mass shootings than other countries - we surely mean the rate, per capita, right?
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When it comes to mass shootings I don't think parents have the slightest interest in per capita. How many intentional shootings does Finland have per capita?
 
ReformCollege said:
Testostorone. Men naturally have ~10x as much of it as women do. Its quite well documented that when individuals take exogenous androgens, they are more prone to showing aggressive and/or violent behavior. I'm sure there are other factors that go into why someone becomes a serial killer instead of just a killer or a violent person or even just an aggressive personality; but the reason why there are few women serial killers is women simply do not have the biological drive to commit violence that men do.
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Unless men in other countries have different levels of Testosterone, than we do in the US, that would not explain why there are more mass murderers in the US than in most other developed nations.
 
Catawba said:
When it comes to mass shootings I don't think parents have the slightest interest in per capita.
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Right. But the question was "why there are more mass murderers (as in the mass shooting type) in the US than anywhere else". "More than anywhere else" makes sense only in proportion to population: of course there will be more mass murderers in Asia than in Cleveland. I say, the available stats do not allow to claim there are, actually, more mass murderers. Do I have to repeat myself ten times?
 
Catawba said:
Unless men in other countries have different levels of Testosterone, than we do in the US, that would not explain why there are more mass murderers in the US than in most other developed nations.
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You asked why there are fewer female mass murders then men. The difference between men and women is explained by biological factors. The difference between American men and say French men is explained by a lot of factors.
 
Cyrylek said:
This is a much more serious distinction, if true.

I suspect, however, that a lot of this staggering difference has to do with reporting and definitions. Russia, for example, never had "serial killers" before the collapse of the USSR - only "recidivist murderers". Law enforcement agencies in different countries have different resources and different methods - some compile databases of similar cases and profile suspects, some do not. Most perfectly happy to apprehend a murderer, and do not make any effort to screen through unsolved cases he could be also responsible for. In the USA, nailing a serial killer is the Nobel Prize for policemen and prosecutors. In Japan, it is a source of eternal shame for the community. And so forth.

Another factor worth paying attention to is the frequency of involuntary treatment of mentally ill in different countries. (I remember reading about Italy being the only country in the EU that does not assess danger the patient may pose to others, only medical need). I certainly do not want to find a strong correlation there, but it's not always what we want...

Can't find any stats right away, though.
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Yes - very good point: reporting and definitions . . . how is a serial killer defined? Now there's less difference between mass-murder and serial-killer. As well as simply catching such individuals - our ability to discover them has increased. Some numbers come from approaching things in a cold-case style: analyzing things from the past.

Regarding the 'overall numbers' - those cover the last 12 decades (120 years or so) . . . so it would be 2000+ spread out over all that time.
 
Catawba said:
Do dolphins in some oceans kill more than those in other oceans? Because that is what is happening with people in different developed nations. If they don't, its not an apt analogy.
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Actually, yes. The phenomena has only been observed in the Atlantic. This being off the cost of Virginia and Scotland.
The first clues arrived in 1997, when a succession of dead porpoises were washed up in the waters of Scotland's east coast and the shores of Virginia. Biologists found that the porpoises had died of broken ribs, damaged livers, and imploded lungs, which served as tell-tale signs of prolonged, focused attacks. Although the motives were unclear, the teeth marks discovered on the bodies were a sure-fire sign: the prime suspects of these murders were bottlenose dolphins.
Read more at Bottlenose Dolphin: The Only Marine Animal that Kills for Fun
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Also odd, this from the first article I posted.
Watching the films, Aberdeen marina biologist Dr Ben Wilson explains yet another shocking phenomenon - that the dolphins use their incredible ultra sound abilties to home in on the vital organs of their victims that will cause most damage.

"The blows are carefully targeted," says Dr Wilson, who is a member of the Scottish Association for Marine Science. "And the attacks are sustained, sometimes up to 30 minutes.
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It's clearly murder.
 
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