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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?

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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Jetboogieman said:
And there you have it folks.

This thread shall soon be shut.

What have we learned from this thread?

Well we've learned even when you type in font 5... People still understand you're just making **** up.
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I learned to hide my penis,
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Oh, I see. So, straight lust is somehow different from gay lust?
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That's not exactly the point. If someone is straight, then how is gay sex lust? If gay sex is lust, what does that tell us about the person?
 
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ecofarm said:
That's not exactly the point. If someone is straight, then how is gay sex lust? If gay sex is lust, what does that tell us about the person?
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If a person is straight, then they don't lust for gay sex. If gay sex is lust, then the person must be gay themselves.

Lust is lust. The object of the lust depends on the individual.

And, just because someone is straight doesn't mean that they're going to lust after just anyone of the opposite gender, does it? I'm straight, but some females just don't do a thing for me. I'm sure it must be the same way for a gay person.

We all lust. What we do with that lust is what counts.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
If a person is straight, then they don't lust for gay sex. If gay sex is lust, then the person must be gay themselves.
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Correct.


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I love gay people, lust or not.
 
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FluffyNinja said:
I understand your position. The redeeming factor is that God's unconditional love provides that ALL sinners are worth forgiving. Homosexuality is no "worse" in that repect than any other sin. This is the primary reason why I never take a position of judgement in regard to homosexuals or any other sinners........as I , myself am just as sinful.

The problem with many so-called Christians, is that they adopt a condescending position when addressing sin and play the role of "rule enforcer", rather than adopting the position of "unconditional love and forgiveness" that Christ requires of us. :shrug:
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Jesus said himself that there are two commandments, love your fellow man, and love God.that really sums up all ten commandments. Nothing in that about "don't be gay" nothing really in the Bible says against it specifically.

Christians use it as a form of"negative piety" pretending to be holier than the gay people makes them think they are closer to God.
 
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Perhaps the real question is "would you let your son go camping with a social conservative?" After looking at guys like Jerry Sandusky, Rick Santorum, and the countless clergy out there who preached conservative moral values only to turn around and molest little boys, I'd have to say I wouldn't feel comfortable letting my son go out in the woods with someone from that crowd.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Jesus said himself that there are two commandments, love your fellow man, and love God.that really sums up all ten commandments. Nothing in that about "don't be gay" nothing really in the Bible says against it specifically.

Christians use it as a form of"negative piety" pretending to be holier than the gay people makes them think they are closer to God.
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You seem to be using the term "Christians" rather loosely. I am a Christian and clearly stated in my post that I am a sinner and am no better than any other sinner, including gays, in that respect. I think you may be suprised to find that many, many Christians do not harbor a "holier than thou" mentality.

Also, I must point out that the ten commandments were the summation of Mosaic Law and Christians adhere to a Gospel that includes much more than that alone. The Gospel of Christ, as laid out in the New Testament, becomes the basis of how a true Christian should live his/her life.

Based on Christ's fundamental doctrine of faithfulness and salvation, the original disciples and the Apostle Paul in building Christ's church, continued to show/teach the Faithful, in great detail, how to live a Christ-centered existence.
In their teachings, we do indeed find that homosexuality is in contradiction to God's plan for us and therefore, is sinful. So, in that respect, I would disagree with your contention that God's Word does not find disagreement with "being gay". :shrug:
 
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FluffyNinja said:
Based on Christ's fundamental doctrine of faithfulness and salvation, the original disciples and the Apostle Paul in building Christ's church, continued to show/teach the Faithful, in great detail, how to live a Christ-centered existence.
In their teachings, we do indeed find that homosexuality is in contradiction to God's plan for us and therefore, is sinful. So, in that respect, I would disagree with your contention that God's Word does not find disagreement with "being gay". :shrug:
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No, actually we don't, read carefully.
 
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FluffyNinja said:
You seem to be using the term "Christians" rather loosely. I am a Christian and clearly stated in my post that I am a sinner and am no better than any other sinner, including gays, in that respect. I think you may be suprised to find that many, many Christians do not harbor a "holier than thou" mentality.

Also, I must point out that the ten commandments were the summation of Mosaic Law and Christians adhere to a Gospel that includes much more than that alone. The Gospel of Christ, as laid out in the New Testament, becomes the basis of how a true Christian should live his/her life.

Based on Christ's fundamental doctrine of faithfulness and salvation, the original disciples and the Apostle Paul in building Christ's church, continued to show/teach the Faithful, in great detail, how to live a Christ-centered existence.
In their teachings, we do indeed find that homosexuality is in contradiction to God's plan for us and therefore, is sinful. So, in that respect, I would disagree with your contention that God's Word does not find disagreement with "being gay". :shrug:
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"Salvation", now thgat's an interesting word. IMO, it gives people the right to sin without going to hell. How convienent.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
No, actually we don't, read carefully.
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Yes, actually WE do, and I have.....many times, from many different translations.....
 
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LiberalAvenger said:
"Salvation", now thgat's an interesting word. IMO, it gives people the right to sin without going to hell. How convienent.
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I think that many, perhaps even you, my "privately leaning" friend :mrgreen:...............seem to be using the wrong connotation of "sin". For Christians........sin is "separation" from God.
My point being.....for those of us who willingly have Christ at the very center of who we are and God's Holy spirit with us........we would obviously not want to be separated from Him.

The worldly view of "sin" is that it is all of the "bad" things or the "fun" things which are against the "rules" of the Big Boss. That simply just isn't always the case. To a Christian......sin of the heart (or mind) is still sin. :shrug:
 
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FluffyNinja said:
I think that many, perhaps even you, my "privately leaning" friend :mrgreen:...............seem to be using the wrong connotation of "sin". For Christians........sin is "separation" from God.
My point being.....for those of us who willingly have Christ at the very center of who we are and God's Holy spirit with us........we would obviously not want to be separated from Him.

The worldly view of "sin" is that it is all of the "bad" things or the "fun" things which are against the "rules" of the Big Boss. That simply just isn't always the case. To a Christian......sin of the heart (or mind) is still sin. :shrug:
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Then hell is gping to have a full house of church people.:)
 
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LiberalAvenger said:
Then hell is gping to have a full house of church people.:)
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With this, I must agree my friend. Even Christ himself tells us that "the Way is difficult, and narrow is the Gate" that leads to Life and "very few will find it."

This passage should be a big wake-up call to many so-called people of faith.......but sadly, many seem to overlook it and prefer instead to rely on their own understandings...........selfish pride.........it's at the root of all sin. :shrug:
 
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LiberalAvenger said:
"Salvation", now thgat's an interesting word. IMO, it gives people the right to sin without going to hell. How convienent.
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Since we're all sinners, we'd all go to Hell without it wouldn't we?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Since we're all sinners, we'd all go to Hell without it wouldn't we?
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Uhhhhhh....no...IMHO, of course. I'm staying in Texas, which runs a close 2nd to hell with Perry as governor.
 
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LiberalAvenger said:
"Salvation", now thgat's an interesting word. IMO, it gives people the right to sin without going to hell. How convienent.
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Only thing that will save a wretch like you.

It might be convenient.
 
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Removable Mind said:
Uhhhhhh....no...IMHO, of course. I'm staying in Texas, which runs a close 2nd to hell with Perry as governor.
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You Texans aren't going to try to foist him off on the rest of the country again, are you?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
You Texans aren't going to try to foist him off on the rest of the country again, are you?
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I wouldn't wish that off on any country....
 
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FluffyNinja said:
Yes, actually WE do, and I have.....many times, from many different translations.....
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No never once from proper translation. Again forget your bias and what the cloaks tell you to think and use your mind independently as God intended and reread very carefully.

Or better yet post some biblical verses that support this claim, refrain from using the living translation, it isn't a translation but an adulteration.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
No never once from proper translation. Again forget your bias and what the cloaks tell you to think and use your mind independently as God intended and reread very carefully.

Or better yet post some biblical verses that support this claim, refrain from using the living translation, it isn't a translation but an adulteration.
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In Paul's letter to the Romans, Chapter 1, verses 26-27, he describes homosexual acts among both men and women clearly in ANY and ALL translations that I have read.....including Greek and Hebrew text. Here it is in the widely acepted English Standard Version:

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.



God "gave them over" to their lustful passions.......meaning He separated Himself from them.........the very definition of "sin" is that which "misses the Mark" or separates us from God... In the original Greek text the term for "sin" is actually hamartia......which translates "missing the mark", as in archery. :shrug:
 
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