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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?


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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Not so much, no. But you are demonstrating typical Navy Pride-esque unwillingness to engage with reality and/or read things correctly.

Just back up what you said and we will move one, otherwise you are history my left wing friend.
 
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This thread is better than snl live!:lamo :lamo
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Just back up what you said and we will move one, otherwise you are history my left wing friend.

Sigh.

"The myth of the "homosexual predator" is groundless. Perpetrators of rape typically view themselves as heterosexual and, outside of the prison environment, prefer to engage in heterosexual activity. Although gay inmates are much more likely than other inmates to be victimized in prison, they are not likely to be perpetrators of sexual abuse." -http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report4.html

"It appears that male prison rape is an act of heterosexuals rather than homosexuals. This may sound strange at first, but in a prison situation rape is viewed as validation of masculinity and a violent act of conquest."
-http://books.google.com/books?id=1NC5R0RozBYC&pg=PA528&lpg=PA528&dq=sexuality+prison+rape&source=bl&ots=-dfgi6rEh0&sig=DiRxkiyqrCNcUv7YWhQ45H5GBKM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ALAqUZnFEOfMigKv5IH4Dg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwADgU#v=onepage&q=sexuality%20prison%20rape&f=false

"In fact, 90% of inmates identify as heterosexual. Paradoxically, those inmates who commit violent acts of sexual assault identify most closely with heterosexual masculinity, while the victim of anal rape is reduced to the political role of the female or homosexual."
-http://open.salon.com/blog/moses_mendoza/2009/06/04/plight_of_the_punks_prison_rape_in_the_united_states

Like I said before, you really ought to look into this yourself, assuming of course you're actually interested in the truth.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Sigh.

"The myth of the "homosexual predator" is groundless. Perpetrators of rape typically view themselves as heterosexual and, outside of the prison environment, prefer to engage in heterosexual activity. Although gay inmates are much more likely than other inmates to be victimized in prison, they are not likely to be perpetrators of sexual abuse." -http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report4.html

"It appears that male prison rape is an act of heterosexuals rather than homosexuals. This may sound strange at first, but in a prison situation rape is viewed as validation of masculinity and a violent act of conquest."
-http://books.google.com/books?id=1NC5R0RozBYC&pg=PA528&lpg=PA528&dq=sexuality+prison+rape&source=bl&ots=-dfgi6rEh0&sig=DiRxkiyqrCNcUv7YWhQ45H5GBKM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ALAqUZnFEOfMigKv5IH4Dg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwADgU#v=onepage&q=sexuality%20prison%20rape&f=false

"In fact, 90% of inmates identify as heterosexual. Paradoxically, those inmates who commit violent acts of sexual assault identify most closely with heterosexual masculinity, while the victim of anal rape is reduced to the political role of the female or homosexual."
-http://open.salon.com/blog/moses_mendoza/2009/06/04/plight_of_the_punks_prison_rape_in_the_united_states

Like I said before, you really ought to look into this yourself, assuming of course you're actually interested in the truth.

They are predators.........I have seen it myself aboard ship how they make unwanted advances against straight sailors..Actually in a odd way I don't blame them....they can't help themselves...I equate it to a male being put on a ship with all women....sleeping, showering, etc.........I would be hard put to ignore that.:roll:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

They are predators.........I have seen it myself aboard ship how they make unwanted advances against straight sailors..Actually in a odd way I don't blame them....they can't help themselves...I equate it to a male being put on a ship with all women....sleeping, showering, etc.........I ould be hard put to ignore that.:roll:

How shocking. Navy challenges me to provide evidence of my assertion, then flatly denies that the evidence is valid. I am ever so terribly surprised.

Like I said before Navy, you should do your own research, because you're just going to ignore mine. I'm right about this, and if you pursue info on the subject with even a shred of intellectual honesty, you'll find that I'm right. I know you won't do so, but you should. It'd be good for your soul.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

If my child encounters a gay person, it's not the end of the world. That's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that if I can prevent him from encountering any sin, I will.

Greed? , Vanity? Envy?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

It's too bad about that homosexuality is a sin stuff. I pretty much agree with the Bible's lessons on sins of various sort. That's the one that I just cannot really agree with. I didn't choose to be straight. The other sin stuff, I really hope I can avoid it (with whatever help there may be), but I didn't have to avoid homosexuality - it didn't tempt me, so how can it be a sin?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

It's too bad about that homosexuality is a sin stuff. I pretty much agree with the Bible's lessons on sins of various sort. That's the one that I just cannot really agree with. I didn't choose to be straight. The other sin stuff, I really hope I can avoid it (with whatever help there may be), but I didn't have to avoid homosexuality - it didn't tempt me, so how can it be a sin?

I agree with you ......to a certain extent. But from the Christian perpective......sin is not necessarily "temptation"......it is "separation" (from God). I'm sure you know that the term "sin" does not actually appear in the oldest books of the Bible......rather it is a translation of the Greek term "hamartia", which means "missing the mark"......as in archery. In its Biblical connotation it refers to "separation" from the "mark"........for Christians the "mark" being.....living a Godly existence......or at least as close to Christ-like as humanly possible.

In that respect........homosexuality does become "sin", as it exemplifies a perverse mockery of God's intent that men and women "cleave unto one another" with one of the primary purposes being procreation of the species. It is physiologically undeniable that male and female "parts" were DESIGNED (or evolved if you so choose) to "fit together" like the pieces of a puzzle. :shrug:

Note: Please don't kill the messenger......just relating from a Christian and Biblical perspective. :lol:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

How shocking. Navy challenges me to provide evidence of my assertion, then flatly denies that the evidence is valid. I am ever so terribly surprised.

Like I said before Navy, you should do your own research, because you're just going to ignore mine. I'm right about this, and if you pursue info on the subject with even a shred of intellectual honesty, you'll find that I'm right. I know you won't do so, but you should. It'd be good for your soul.

Just respond to my post and not attack me.......thanks.....
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I agree with you ......to a certain extent. But from the Christian perpective......sin is not necessarily "temptation"......it is "separation" (from God). I'm sure you know that the term "sin" does not actually appear in the oldest books of the Bible......rather it is a translation of the Greek term "hamartia", which means "missing the mark"......as in archery. In its Biblical connotation it refers to "separation" from the "mark"........for Christians the "mark" being.....living a Godly existence......or at least as close to Christ-like as humanly possible.

In that respect........homosexuality does become "sin", as it exemplifies a perverse mockery of God's intent that men and women "cleave unto one another" with one of the primary purposes being procreation of the species. It is physiologically undeniable that male and female "parts" were DESIGNED (or evolved if you so choose) to "fit together" like the pieces of a puzzle. :shrug:

Note: Please don't kill the messenger......just relating from a Christian and Biblical perspective. :lol:

I see what you're saying and I disagree that God would be so concerned whether it is a male and female, two of the same or a few that choose to become one and walk with the Spirit together. While literal text is against my position, I feel a deeper interpretation is more in line with my understanding of love - God's path beyond the physical world, which we are to leave behind.
 
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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Your the one who made the statement so you look it up.

Gilligan agrees completely. He says inmate rape — which is about power, not sex — has helped turn America's prisons into "monster factories."

"Rape is a crime of violence," says Gilligan. "It's a way of exerting dominance over another person and humiliating them totally. And nothing stimulates violence as much as feeling humiliated.

Aftershock of Inmate Rape - ABC News

And there is a lot of evidence/statements in like this which shows that sexual preference does not cause prison rapes, other issues often determine prison rapes. Now there are also those who choose gay sex but from what I read that usually happens to people who are locked up for longer periods of time.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I see what you're saying but I disagree that God would be so concerned whether it is a male and female, two of the same or a few that choose to become one and walk with the Spirit together. While literal text is against my position, I feel a deeper interpretation is more in line with my understanding of love.

I understand your position. The redeeming factor is that God's unconditional love provides that ALL sinners are worth forgiving. Homosexuality is no "worse" in that repect than any other sin. This is the primary reason why I never take a position of judgement in regard to homosexuals or any other sinners........as I , myself am just as sinful.

The problem with many so-called Christians, is that they adopt a condescending position when addressing sin and play the role of "rule enforcer", rather than adopting the position of "unconditional love and forgiveness" that Christ requires of us. :shrug:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Gilligan agrees completely. He says inmate rape — which is about power, not sex — has helped turn America's prisons into "monster factories."

"Rape is a crime of violence," says Gilligan. "It's a way of exerting dominance over another person and humiliating them totally. And nothing stimulates violence as much as feeling humiliated.

Aftershock of Inmate Rape - ABC News

And there is a lot of evidence/statements in like this which shows that sexual preference does not cause prison rapes, other issues often determine prison rapes. Now there are also those who choose gay sex but from what I read that usually happens to people who are locked up for longer periods of time.

Except for those Southern white Christians, who, of course, remain celibate under all circumstances.......................
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Except for those Southern white Christians, who, of course, remain celibate under all circumstances.......................

not even those supposedly who have freely chosen for celibacy (catholic priests) all stay celibate. Sex in all it's forms is of all ages and of all genders or sexual preferences.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Just respond to my post and not attack me.......thanks.....

I did respond to your post. Here's the same response with the sarcasm removed:

You're ignoring evidence. Lots of it. You should stop doing that.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I , myself am just as sinful.

The problem with many so-called Christians, is that they adopt a condescending position when addressing sin and play the role of "rule enforcer", rather than adopting the position of "unconditional love and forgiveness" that Christ requires of us. :shrug:

Well, one of my three great weaknesses is the forgiveness part (my other two are pride and control of tongue). But your point is touched upon in so many places in the Bible. The great philosophical divide between Jews and Christians, ceremony vs. faith as the means to salvation, Galatians/Acts and circumcision, "judge not" (which really means judge as you wish to be judged, not to avoid judging entirely), the list goes on. I think you could assemble a portfolio of stories, lessons, quotes, motifs/themes and such from within the Bible to illustrate your point.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Just back up what you said and we will move one, otherwise you are history my left wing friend.

How in the hell can you say that when you have refused to back up a single thing you have said(made up really) in this thread? Why the different standard for others than for yourself?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Well, one of my three great weaknesses is the forgiveness part (my other two are pride and control of tongue). But your point is touched upon in so many places in the Bible. The great philosophical divide between Jews and Christians, ceremony vs. faith as the means to salvation, Galatians/Acts and circumcision, "judge not" (which really means judge as you wish to be judged, not to avoid judging entirely), the list goes on. I think you could assemble a portfolio of stories, lessons, quotes, motifs/themes and such from within the Bible to illustrate your point.

Christianity was officially dead when Jesus became a prosperity godling in the 80's.....................
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Christianity was officially dead when Jesus became a prosperity godling in the 80's.....................

I'm atheist and have been consciously since ~8yo (I'm 42), but Jesus lives in me and I'm not sure where I'd be without Him.
 
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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I'm atheist and have been consciously since ~8yo (I'm 42), but Jesus lives in me and I'm not sure where I'd be without him.

I guess you can't grasp how weird that sounds................
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I guess you can't grasp how weird that sounds................

I guess you cannot grasp a definition of life beyond the physical.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I guess you cannot grasp a definition of life beyond the physical.

So, is Jesus the only possible guide to that, or is he just your own personal imaginary friend ?.................
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

So, is Jesus the only possible guide to that, or is he just your own personal imaginary friend ?.................

He taught me important things.

...

Here's a band I've no respect for personally, and I'd probably only recognize this song. A one-hit wonder, expendable pop band, as far as I know; yet, for some reason, this song pops into my head:


 
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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

He taught me important things.

I think my father said about one meaningful thing to me and it far outweighed anything my mother or Jesus ever had to say..................
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I think my father said about one meaningful thing to me

He lives in you, we'll never die.
 
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