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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?


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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

No, I'd be happy if you weren't a prude. But in end it doesn't matter, you've made it obvious you keep your kids ridiculously sheltered to the point where they'll have social adjustment problems later on in life. Mine? She'll be normal human beings who doesn't think every lesbian she meets is trying to have sexual relationships anymore than any man she meets is trying to sleep with her.

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Prude? Ill take that as a compliment coming from someone as moraly bankrupt as you appear to be. My kids are fine, and i hope they continue to grow up knowing right from wrong, and having the courage to stand up to people like you, who would have them sacrifice their values in the name of what is currently considered normal. Are you gonna encourage your little girl to go give guys handjobs in junior high cause thats the cool thing to do and it will make her socially accepted? I guarantee if you do, you will be going by the name grandpa before she even graduates highschool. But hey, who am i to tell you how to be a parent? Then again, who are you to tell me?

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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19


Yes, here is the definition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prude

A prude is a person who is described as (or would describe themselves as) being concerned with decorum or propriety, significantly in excess of normal prevailing community standards. They may be perceived as being more uncomfortable than most with sexuality or nudity.

Ill take that as a compliment coming from someone as moraly bankrupt as you appear to be. My kids are fine, and i hope they continue to grow up knowing right from wrong, and having the courage to stand up to people like you, who would have them sacrifice their values in the name of what is currently considered normal.

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Are you gonna encourage your little girl to go give guys handjobs in junior high cause thats the cool thing to do and it will make her socially accepted?

Not really, couldn't care less as long as she doesn't get pregnant or catch aids. Then again, I don't think anyone 15-16 having sex makes them morally bankrupt. Being a homophobic prick does though.

I guarantee if you do, you will be going by the name grandpa before she even graduates highschool. But hey, who am i to tell you how to be a parent? Then again, who are you to tell me?

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I'm smarter than you and far more capable. :shrug:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Not really, couldn't care less as long as she doesn't get pregnant or catch aids. Then again, I don't think anyone 15-16 having sex makes them morally bankrupt. Being a homophobic prick does though.

Im sure your a shoe in for father of the year award at the school for pregnant teenagers.



I'm smarter than you and far more capable.

Yes that picture you posted really cemented that in there... Have a good day gramps
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Im sure your a shoe in for father of the year award at the school for pregnant teenagers.

I've never been a pregnant teenager so I'm not even sure how your insult applies.

Yes that picture you posted really cemented that in there... Have a good day gramps

I accept your surrender my right wing friend. :)
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I'm not even sure how your insult applies.

And you claim your smarter than me...
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

And you claim your smarter than me...

Being smarter than you doesn't necessarily mean I comprehend your weak attempts to insult me. :shrug:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Being smarter than you doesn't necessarily mean I comprehend your weak attempts to insult me. :shrug:

Well if i have to explain it to you, its not as funny, but here goes. You said you have no problem with you daughter being the village bicycle as long as she doesnt get pregnant or aids. That philosophy is going to get your daughter knocked up and sent to a school for pregnant teens and your stellar parenting techniques will earn you the father of the year award. Get it now?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Well if i have to explain it to you, its not as funny,

It wasn't funny to begin with. That's why nobody laughed.

but here goes. You said you have no problem with you daughter being the village bicycle as long as she doesnt get pregnant or aids.

No, that's what you said. I more or less stated that I couldn't care less as long as she realizes her choices have consequences and she needs to be safe about them. You failed to understand that little point. I'm not surprised.

That philosophy is going to get your daughter knocked up

How? You have no idea what philosophy she will grow up to have. Then again, you probably think children are meant to be automatons that their parents mold. When in fact, they are just as capable of defining right and wrong on their own with little help from you. And even if you did mold them, they are still just as likely to end up like Kristal Palin. Shinning example of just how prudish parent doesn't mean a teenager won't have premarital sex just because they are brainwashed.

and sent to a school for pregnant teens and your stellar parenting techniques will earn you the father of the year award. Get it now?

Lol, did you get home schooled? It pretty much would explain why you have such a weird view of the world. Where you think having parents who allow you to make choices - without actually telling you what to do - means you'll become a whore and end up pregnant. Have you kids ever been to the beach? Without burqas?
 
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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

It wasn't funny to begin with. That's why nobody laughed.



I more or less stated that I couldn't care less as long as she realizes her choices have consequences and she needs to be safe about them. You failed to understand that little point. I'm not surprised.
I failed to understand it because you didnt say it! Nice reach though, you flat out stated you couldnt care less if your daughter gave boys hand jobs in junior high.



How? You have no idea what philosophy she will grow up to have.

You have been sharing your philosophy with me, im not impressed.

Then again, you probably think children are meant to be automatons that their parents mold. When in fact, they are just as capable of defining right and wrong on their own with little help from you.
Shockingly i do think its the parents responsibilty to teach their kids right from wrong. And not just the CURRENT version of right and wrong.

Lol, did you get home schooled? It pretty much would explain why you have such a weird view of the world. Where you think having parents who allow you to make choices - without actually telling you what to do - means you'll become a whore and end up pregnant.

No i wasnt home schooled. Im suprised you think that anyone who went to public school has to agree with you. Its possible to live in the world and not be of the world. Not every one is as previously states, morally bankrupt as you appear to be. Some people value more than sexual freedom. We call it *gasp* personal accountability and *gasp* responsibility.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Shockingly i do think its the parents responsibilty to teach their kids right from wrong. And not just the CURRENT version of right and wrong.

The current version of right and wrong is the only version of right and wrong. Unless you live in a vacuum your perception of right and wrong is always going to be shaded, to some degree, by your society.
 
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Do you honestly think that a gay man would be talking to your son about the Pyramids..Meaning of life...without bringing his sexuality into it...

I can talk about things without out being about my sexuality, yes even with boys. I have a boy, and he has friends, really good friends. I talk to them sometimes. 1 of them I spoke to was about what to get for my boy for Christmas
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I failed to understand it because you didnt say it! Nice reach though, you flat out stated you couldnt care less if your daughter gave boys hand jobs in junior high.

Sometimes abstract thought is too much for some. They don't seem to be able to comprehend general ideas. They need everything chewed out for them. They then pass that kind of idea analysis to their children.

You have been sharing your philosophy with me, im not impressed.

Shockingly i do think its the parents responsibilty to teach their kids right from wrong. And not just the CURRENT version of right and wrong.

You do realize that repression of thought is pretty much abhorred by child psychologists whereas choice allowance has been universally prescribed by even religious psychologists?

Worst Mistakes Parents Make When Talking to Kids | Psychology Today

Calling a kid “selfish,” or implying there is something wrong with her is also harmful. Kids internalize these negative labels and begin to see themselves as "not good enough." Humiliating or shaming a kid can shape brain pathways in negative ways. Label the behavior as unacceptable, but the kid as still lovable.

http://www.earlychildhoodnews.com/earlychildhood/article_view.aspx?ArticleID=607

There are several reasons that giving children choices throughout the day is beneficial, even crucial to their development. Providing choices for children is a fundamental aspect of high-quality early childhood curriculum (Hendrick, 1996).

http://www.essentialkids.com.au/pre...y-of-choices-and-mistakes-20120305-1uc04.html

Nick Petrovic, Psychologist at the Mind Profile Psychology Clinic says it’s important for children to be given the opportunity to make choices, because it helps them become more independent and responsible, and builds their decision making skills to ultimately help them make better choices in the future.

No i wasnt home schooled. Im suprised you think that anyone who went to public school has to agree with you. Its possible to live in the world and not be of the world.

Well, you're right, if you were of this world, that being, you know the reality upon which we live in - you'd realize you simply aren't a good parent because you repress them by instilling a subjective sense of morality and not allowing them to make their own. That is, you basically indoctrinate them into a train of thought where things are wrong. So your kids will have two choices, either rebel (in a Krystal Palin sort of way at worst), or grow up conflicted not being able to decide for themselves what is right and wrong for them because as you claimed it's your role to 'teach' them that. Essentially, you're making them dependent on your moral belief system and not giving them the ability to actually draft their own because you think they're too naive and will probably end up as whores.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I never said I should be able to make people do things either. However, I don't have a problem with ridiculing people if they call people sinners but can't explain why the sin is a sin, other than quoting a book that essentially just says "This is bad" and doesn't say why. I suppose the Romans passage comes a bit closer to why it is supposedly a sin by calling it "unnatural," but then again the Bible is wrong since we've witnessed gay sex happening naturally in nature. However, it still doesn't make sense to forbid something/ call something a sin just because they consider it unnatural. It's hurting no one.
So now we are on the same level as animals?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

The current version of right and wrong is the only version of right and wrong. Unless you live in a vacuum your perception of right and wrong is always going to be shaded, to some degree, by your society.

If your perception of right and wrong is based on what society tells you is socially acceptable and not socially acceptable, then you are right, but some people dont base their values on societal norms.” Right and wrong”, and “socially acceptable” aren’t the same things.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay memb

I love children too!!

I talk to children when they are with their mothers..or a guardian...I do not talk to children on-line....

I do, why is it that you think the adults have this uncontrolled desire to sleep with children? is it because you do? it's strange. tell your kids not give out personal information and they will be fine.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay memb

Are there a lot of 9 year old kids who define themselves as gay or something? Why even bring up the subject?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

If your perception of right and wrong is based on what society tells you is socially acceptable and not socially acceptable, then you are right, but some people dont base their values on societal norms.” Right and wrong”, and “socially acceptable” aren’t the same things.

I didn't say it was based only on what society tells me, but society may influence me if someone makes a good argument for why something isn't a sin. Then, yes I could start seeing something as right instead of wrong.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Sometimes abstract thought is too much for some. They don't seem to be able to comprehend general ideas. They need everything chewed out for them. They then pass that kind of idea analysis to their children.

Dont try to back pedal by calling what you said about your poor daughter "abstract".


You do realize that repression of thought is pretty much abhorred by child psychologists whereas choice allowance has been universally prescribed by even religious psychologists?

I never said anything about repression. I made my own choices growing up, they just didnt include sex at an early age. That doesnt make me a "prude" as you put it. It makes me different than you.


So your kids will have two choices, either rebel (in a Krystal Palin sort of way at worst), or grow up conflicted not being able to decide for themselves what is right and wrong for them because as you claimed it's your role to 'teach' them that. Essentially, you're making them dependent on your moral belief system and not giving them the ability to actually draft their own because you think they're too naive and will probably end up as whores.

Actually my kids will have a lot more choices than yours, because i will teach them that they dont have to go along with what society tells them to do. they can do whatever they want. Your telling your daughter she needs to be sexually curious and active to be a normal juvenile. By the way, if your daughter does follow your advice, then a whore is exactly what she will be. Im not insulting your daughter ( I actually pity her for growing up in your presence ) im just pointing out the meaning of the word whore.
 
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I didn't say it was based only on what society tells me,
The current version of right and wrong is the only version of right and wrong. Unless you live in a vacuum your perception of right and wrong is always going to be shaded, to some degree, by your society.
but society may influence me if someone makes a good argument for why something isn't a sin. Then, yes I could start seeing something as right instead of wrong.

The Current version is not the only version. The current version of what is socially acceptable says homosexuality is fine, but that doesnt mean everyone agrees that its right.
 
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The Current version is not the only version. The current version of what is socially acceptable says homosexuality is fine, but that doesnt mean everyone agrees that its right.

I didn't say the current version was the same for everyone. I'm sure your views of right and wrong don't perfectly match the Bible.
 
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Are there a lot of 9 year old kids who define themselves as gay or something? Why even bring up the subject?

It isn't about protecting kids from danger it's about protecting kids from knowledge. which I understand, having a kid of my own I would very much like to preserve his innocence. he is 14 so most of his child like innocence is lost.

In the presence of homosexuality with a child there is a possibility that you will have to explain that to your child. The common misconception is that the child may be influenced into being gay.

Being in the presence of someone doesn't expose a child to that persons resume of sin. Frankly you wouldn't know I was gay unless you asked or saw me with my lover.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I didn't say the current version was the same for everyone. I'm sure your views of right and wrong don't perfectly match the Bible.

I suppose it would depend on where in the Bible your talking about.
 
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It isn't about protecting kids from danger it's about protecting kids from knowledge. which I understand, having a kid of my own I would very much like to preserve his innocence. he is 14 so most of his child like innocence is lost.

In the presence of homosexuality with a child there is a possibility that you will have to explain that to your child. The common misconception is that the child may be influenced into being gay.

Being in the presence of someone doesn't expose a child to that persons resume of sin. Frankly you wouldn't know I was gay unless you asked or saw me with my lover.

Hey, you're preaching to the choir broheim. My kid at 5 already knows about homosexuality in simple term. My sister has a girlfriend. So I've explained why they're always together. She couldn't care less as much as her aunt still buys her candy. Homophobia is taught, kids aren't naturally homophobic.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I didn't say that...I said it was my job as a mother to try to protect my children from potential danger...
so do you see all gay males a danger?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Dont try to back pedal by calling what you said about your poor daughter "abstract".

Your question was whether I would encourage a specific type of behavior. I said "Not really" and explained why. Good try?

I never said anything about repression.

And yet, that's exactly what your parenting technique entails. This is wrong, that is right. Your kids have no say in the matter. Or do they?

This statement:

Actually my kids will have a lot more choices than yours, because i will teach them that they dont have to go along with what society tells them to do. they can do whatever they want.

And this statement:

I sure as hell wouldnt let them go camping together.

Are contradictory.
 
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