Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

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USViking said:

I do not believe you are correct, and even if you were I would still prefer an exclusively
heterosexual camp for my son just to give him a break from the surrounding overwhelmingly
bisexual environment.



I must say that I am not just surprised, but shocked to learn that North Carolina is overwhelmingly bisexual!

I had pictured North Carolina as a laid-back redneck riviera kind of place.

According to what you say, your son will be one of the few if he turns out straight in that free-swinging state.

Maybe you should move to Utah.

Have a nice day.



"If the majority of Americans were gay, people would get beat up for being straight." ~ G.W. Bush

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MarineTpartier said:

I have not personally heard of a child molestor who equally targets boys or girls. It's almost always overwhelmingly one sex. If there is one, I believe him to be an anachronism. Once again, before you attempt to do what others have. I'm not painting gays as all dangerous towards children. All I'm saying is that a person who has sex or an attraction to the same sex, no matter the age, is gay IMO.

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And you would be wrong about that. Sexual orientation and pedophilic attraction to a particular sex of children have nothing to do with each other.

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Navy Pride said:

I don't know. maybe nothing but I would never take a chance with my sons at 11 years old.

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You take a bigger chance by putting them in a camp or a church with closeted supposedly "straight" gay men than you ever would by putting them in a camp where someone is honest about their sexual orientation. That's the ironic part of your ignorance is bliss ideal.

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If we let kids go to camps that allow openly gay people to not hide in the shadows, it's only a matter of hours before this becomes the National Anthem:

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Navy Pride said:

You don't know what goes on in those crowded tents at night.

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Maybe the same thing that goes on in crowded ships among sailors, but I wouldn't know about that never having been in the Navy. Perhaps you could enlighten us.

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zstep18 said:

You want to protect him against "all sin that can be committed"? There is a lot of sin that CAN and WILL be committed everywhere.

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Obviously you are not grasping my statement. All sin that is possible to be committed. So not just homosexuality, but all sin.

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MarineTpartier said:

Obviously you are not grasping my statement. All sin that is possible to be committed. So not just homosexuality, but all sin.

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That's impossible.

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Aderleth said:

Okay, but that's not what the term means according to psychologists. If one is solely attracted to children (of either gender) one is not meaningfully gay, straight, or bisexual. All three of those orientations by definition require some relatively mature attraction to post-pubescent individuals of one or more genders. You will also find quite a lot of pedophiles who are, for instance sexually attracted to male children, but also capable of sexual desire for adult females, but have absolutely no interest whatsoever in adult males. Can someone who isn't attracted to men meaningfully be considered homosexual? See my point?

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I see your point, I just disagree. I believe that whatever sex someone is drawn to, regardless of age, determines their sexual orientation. If we're going the route you are, we are getting into the slippery slope of saying that pedophilia is a legitimate sexual orientation. We both agree that we don't want that I think.

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CaptainCourtesy said:

And you would be wrong about that. Sexual orientation and pedophilic attraction to a particular sex of children have nothing to do with each other.

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Sources?

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zstep18 said:

That's impossible.

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Again, you miss the point. This is getting to be a real chore here. I will guard my son from all sin. I will not discriminate against certain kinds of sin. Do you get it now?

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MarineTpartier said:

I see your point, I just disagree. I believe that whatever sex someone is drawn to, regardless of age, determines their sexual orientation. If we're going the route you are, we are getting into the slippery slope of saying that pedophilia is a legitimate sexual orientation. We both agree that we don't want that I think.

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Recognizing it as distinct from mature sexual orientations doesn't legitimize it. If anything pointing out that legitimate sexual orientations are entirely distinguishable from pedophilia makes it more clear that it's an aberration.

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disneydude said:

You take a bigger chance by putting them in a camp or a church with closeted supposedly "straight" gay men than you ever would by putting them in a camp where someone is honest about their sexual orientation. That's the ironic part of your ignorance is bliss ideal.

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That is not the topic of the thread. If you want to make a thread with that as the topic go for it but don't hijack this one.......thanks.

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MarineTpartier said:

Again, you miss the point. This is getting to be a real chore here. I will guard my son from all sin. I will not discriminate against certain kinds of sin. Do you get it now?

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What you guard your son against a member of a group who happened to drink? Would you guard yourself against a member of a group who cheated on their significant other? Would your guard your son against someone who lied?

Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

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MarineTpartier said:

Again, you miss the point. This is getting to be a real chore here. I will guard my son from all sin. I will not discriminate against certain kinds of sin. Do you get it now?

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We don't agree on much but I am onboard with you on this one.....He will never get it.....He has a closed mind on the issue.

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MarineTpartier said:

Again, you miss the point. This is getting to be a real chore here. I will guard my son from all sin. I will not discriminate against certain kinds of sin. Do you get it now?

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That's fine. You don't have to enroll him in BSoA, or let him go to prom, or watch Rocky Horror Picture Show. More power to you.

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Since when are people guilty before they even commit the crime?

We are worried about gays in the scouts because they MIGHT be child molesters? How bout CONVICTING them of child molestation, first, THEN going about worrying if they are boy scout material?

And besides, the scouts are dying. And it's not gays that are doing it, nor child molesters. It's over protective parents, who think litigation is in order for every skinned knee of scuffed chin.

Oddly enough, a large portion of the anti gay, anti child molestation crowd...up north at least....




ARE CATHOLICS.




Just saying.

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Ikari said:

That's fine. You don't have to enroll him in BSoA, or let him go to prom, or watch Rocky Horror Picture Show. More power to you.

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Ah....the sexual transexual...hide the kids, lock the DOORS!!!!!!!

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zstep18 said:

What you guard your son against a member of a group who happened to drink?

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If that person overindulged yes.

zstep18 said:

Would you guard yourself against a member of a group who cheated on their significant other?

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I am a different story. I'm not a child.

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Would your guard your son against someone who lied?

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Yes, if they repeatedly did it without remorse.
Can we stop playing the Green Eggs and Ham game now? This is ridiculous and you know it. If you don't guard your kid (if you have any) against things, fine. I do. Leave it be.

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Ikari said:

That's fine. You don't have to enroll him in BSoA, or let him go to prom, or watch Rocky Horror Picture Show. More power to you.

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Thank you.

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zstep18 said:

That's impossible.

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I don't know if you have kids, I just became a father of a teenager just over a year ago. So I don't think of myself as an expert. The teen I took in isn't my blood relation, but I love him as though he was mine.

You know you are going to loose, when trying to protect you're kids from the world, but saving them for that moment, preserving their innocents, because you cherish it, because you know you do not have it any more. You love the innocents of your child.

I can't speak for MTP, I am sure his kids are his own, he got to see them as little babies, if they are adults now he still sees those babies. He always will to some extent. But add I said I took in a teenager, he has been disillusioned by the vicious world we live in, particularly his parents telling him to get out and never come back. He hurts over that, but it hurts me to see him in pain, his sin is my sin his pain is my pain, but that isn't all, his sin and pain is my failing him.

Again I can't speak for MTP, how he feels his duty to his kids is being fulfilled, I don't know what its like to take the first steps with my kid, or the inevitable triumphs he has. But I can say that the desire to give a better world to your kids is a futile endeavor worth every second. My life changed the moment Chris came into it, I took on new debts, Evan and I gave up our private home, our priorities changed. I know its a cliche, but I never knew what I was missing. After all what is a life for?

So again I do not agree with MTP, about homosexuality being a sin, but as a man who has but a tiny taste of father hood I understand completely his desire to protect his kids.

I can't snide by the give up principal. With a broken child in my care I would do anything to undo three pain he feels. Even if it meant he would go back to his parents, my heart would break, I really love him, having him in or home, but I would give that up if I could undo the pain that his family did him.

That is what you do for your kids. I can't imagine that being any less by having raised a kid from an infant.

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MarineTpartier said:

If that person overindulged yes.

I am a different story. I'm not a child.

Yes, if they repeatedly did it without remorse.
Can we stop playing the Green Eggs and Ham game now? This is ridiculous and you know it. If you don't guard your kid (if you have any) against things, fine. I do. Leave it be.

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I don't think ztep gets it, I can't speak for you MTP, but my toils are to provide the best for my kid. I give my life to him, that's what kids are.

I imagine you feel the same about yours MTP.

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zstep18 said:

What you guard your son against a member of a group who happened to drink? Would you guard yourself against a member of a group who cheated on their significant other? Would your guard your son against someone who lied?

Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

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I don't agree with MTP on sexualities and sins, but as far as your question...with my life.

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Navy Pride said:

That is not the topic of the thread. If you want to make a thread with that as the topic go for it but don't hijack this one.......thanks.

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It is absolutely on topic of the threat....The fact that certain people will go to all efforts to prevent their children from having contact with an honest and open gay person...but will willy nilly put them into any situation with closeted dishonest gay people. Why? Because ignorance is bliss in their world. They would rather not know because they can pretend that their children are safe because there aren't any honest gay people around.

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disneydude said:

It is absolutely on topic of the threat....The fact that certain people will go to all efforts to prevent their children from having contact with an honest and open gay person...but will willy nilly put them into any situation with closeted dishonest gay people. Why? Because ignorance is bliss in their world. They would rather not know because they can pretend that their children are safe because there aren't any honest gay people around.

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I think there is a huge gap that isn't being bridged. not particularly hiding homosexuality isn't broadcasting it.

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No. The whole point of being gay is sexual preference. I dont want my boys to be near other boys who sexually prefer them.