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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?


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Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

Lol! WND? You should really learn to post better source material, such as actual studies. You have two people making allegations that are NOT backed by any kind of actual statistics. Data from the FBI refutes these claims.

And this is from your own link:

ay Heavener, spokesman for PFLAG – Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, counters that federal crime data refute claims that homosexuals molest children at higher rates than heterosexuals.

“According to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), this claim is false,” he told WND by e-mail. “The gay and lesbian community calls into question any dubious research which flies in the face of our own experience.”

And Gary Schoener, a clinical psychologist who has been diagnosing and treating clergy abuse for 28 years, told Salon.com, “There are far more heterosexual cases than homosexual.”

We can be throwing links at each other all day..it does not change the fact that I would be ''uncomfortable'' to say the least delivering my son into the arms of an openly homosexual man...my choice...:thumbdown
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

We can be throwing links at each other all day..it does not change the fact that I would be ''uncomfortable'' to say the least delivering my son into the arms of an openly homosexual man...my choice...:thumbdown

Well that's fine and you should just say so instead of trying to make it look as if gay people will attack your children. :roll:
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

she thinks child molestation is about sex she doesn't understand what she's talking about. she can't back it up.

of course child molestation isn't all about sex..it is about power and being able to do what you want to someone who is unable to prevent you..this doesn't appease me..it makes the thing a whole lot sicker!!!
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

We can be throwing links at each other all day..it does not change the fact that I would be ''uncomfortable'' to say the least delivering my son into the arms of an openly homosexual man...my choice...:thumbdown
True words from ChrisL...
but, there are at least 9 "normals" to every "abnormals".
An openly homosexual man opens up a can of worms.....particularly for a young child.
20 years from now, after things are settled, and sensitivity is practiced by all(me and them), then....no problem..
Homosexuals should NEVER have been in the closet....its their grand exit that worries me....man tends to be like this...
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

of course child molestation isn't all about sex..it is about power and being able to do what you want to someone who is unable to prevent you..this doesn't appease me..it makes the thing a whole lot sicker!!!

so if it isn't about sex, why is it about sexuality?
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

True words from ChrisL...
but, there are at least 9 "normals" to every "abnormals".
An openly homosexual man opens up a can of worms.....particularly for a young child.
20 years from now, after things are settled, and sensitivity is practiced by all(me and them), then....no problem..
Homosexuals should NEVER have been in the closet....its their grand exit that worries me....man tends to be like this...

I don't have a problem with gays..I really don't..as long as they keep themselves to themselves...let them get on with it..

Firstly..I want my kids to be exactly that..kids...

They go to a scout camp for a holiday...

I would always wonder why gay men would want to become Boy Scout leaders...

Why not Girl Scouts???
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

so if it isn't about sex, why is it about sexuality?


Because inflicting your will on anyone who cannot prevent you from doing so...usually ends up in sex...
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

I would always wonder why gay men would want to become Boy Scout leaders...

For the same reasons a straight man would want to become a BS leader...

Why not Girl Scouts???

Do you really need someone to explain that one too you?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I don't need to read a study. I WAS an adolescent once! :lol:

The way boys and girls play really has nothing to do with sex. They play like that because they are innocent and don't think about such things BEING sexual. They are simply playing. It's all about the fun.

And, this would, in my opinion, apply to boys and girls who later on in life "develop" into homosexuals...
I think that the homosexual thing is there at birth, affects several percent of the population, and is sometimes supressed..
The human brain is so complex...many lines cannot be drawn...
This is one good thread...
I'll pitch my fears and vote.
And I am in the 80.58%....hoooooray..
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

I don't have a problem with gays..I really don't..as long as they keep themselves to themselves...let them get on with it..

So you only have problem if they are out of the closet. IOW you have a problem with gays.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]



If this is the type of source you are using in your "research" - all I can say is "Oh dear!" I believe a few other posters have also commented on the source but check out the 'references' within the piece.

World Net Daily - commonly denigrated with the title of World NUT Daily

Regent University Law School - I think this is a well-balanced article that shows how the school has improved its standing over the years as it has dropped the evangelical focus from most of its courses. The school is still fighting perceptions created by the graduates of those early years and it is still ranked as a "fourth tier" school

Dr. Judith Reisman

Council for National Policy - "an umbrella organization and networking group for social conservative activists in the United States"

All of the 'research' cited by Reisman and Baldwin has been shown to be sheer and utter crap, driven by their religious and political beliefs and not by any adherence to scientific standards.

Things change, what today we consider paedophilia was once accepted as not only normal but legal. In 1886, twenty-five of the American states, following earlier English law, had an age of consent of ten years; four states, following Christian canon law on marriage, had an age of consent of twelve; Delaware, following Christian canon law on the age of discretion, set its age of consent at seven. As late as 1892, a bill was put forward in the New York State Senate to lower the age of consent to ten, it was defeated. Look for the following book, if you are interested in how the changes in societal acceptance of what we today call paedophilia, came about: Purity Crusade: Sexual Morality and Social Control, 1868-1900 by David J Pivar
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

Because inflicting your will on anyone who cannot prevent you from doing so...usually ends up in sex...

so thus statement was not true?

of course child molestation isn't all about sex..it is about power and being able to do what you want to someone who is unable to prevent you..this doesn't appease me..it makes the thing a whole lot sicker!!!

Its more likely that a person that claims to be heterosexual will molest boys.

Because it doesn't have anything to do with sexual attraction. Its about control.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Then what about a "bull dyke" lesbian running a camp for boys? Would that bother you?

It certainly bothers some in the leadership of the Boy Scouts

Lesbian Scout leader ousted; parents upset - CBS News

(AP) The first-graders in Ohio Pack 109's Tiger Scouts didn't know or care their den mother was a lesbian — at least not until the Boy Scouts of America threw her out over the organization's ban on gays.

Now, parents who were aware of Jennifer Tyrrell's sexual orientation well before she took the boys on campouts and helped them carve race cars for the annual Pinewood Derby have rallied to her defense in a case that has re-ignited the debate over the Scouts' policy.

"I teach my children to judge people on their actions," said Rob Dunn, a father in Bridgeport, a village of about 2,000 across the Ohio River from Wheeling, W.Va. "Whether you agree with their lifestyle or not."

The Boy Scouts of America, whose oath calls for members to be "morally straight," maintains that as a private organization it has the right to exclude gays and atheists from its ranks.

That stance was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2000 but has led many state and local governments to deny support for the Scouts.

On the other subject of gay men, which is what most think about when they hear 'gay', I have a gay relative who is a huge outdoors freak, hunting and fishing on a couple trips a year with a group of friends he's had since college. As far as I know, only one other guy in the group of 7 or 8 is gay. He could certainly help a group of city kids to learn about life in the woods, and since he's been married for the past four years, to a really big guy . . .
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

So you only have problem if they are out of the closet. IOW you have a problem with gays.

I don't..here comes the old cliche..I have gay friends...but I do...

I find them very predatory..even to the point of coming on to my partner when I am at the bar..

Would I trust them to look after my boys...NO!
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

For the same reasons a straight man would want to become a BS leader...



Do you really need someone to explain that one too you?


Yes..yes..I do..
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

I don't..here comes the old cliche..I have gay friends...but I do...

I find them very predatory..even to the point of coming on to my partner when I am at the bar..

Would I trust them to look after my boys...NO!

Wow. You have the wrong gay friends.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

so thus statement was not true?



Its more likely that a person that claims to be heterosexual will molest boys.

Because it doesn't have anything to do with sexual attraction. Its about control.

It's about control, it's about easy manipulation, it's about being mentally and emotionally immature and unable to really relate with people of equivalent age.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

I don't..here comes the old cliche..I have gay friends...but I do...

I find them very predatory..even to the point of coming on to my partner when I am at the bar..

Would I trust them to look after my boys...NO!


You find them "predatory". I wonder if they might not be playing with your head, knowing of your homophobia - having a little joke at your expense.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

You find them "predatory". I wonder if they might not be playing with your head, knowing of your homophobia - having a little joke at your expense.

Then why would I sit with them if I was homophobic...

I wouldn't go near them...
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

If this is the type of source you are using in your "research" - all I can say is "Oh dear!" I believe a few other posters have also commented on the source but check out the 'references' within the piece.

World Net Daily - commonly denigrated with the title of World NUT Daily

Regent University Law School - I think this is a well-balanced article that shows how the school has improved its standing over the years as it has dropped the evangelical focus from most of its courses. The school is still fighting perceptions created by the graduates of those early years and it is still ranked as a "fourth tier" school

Dr. Judith Reisman

Council for National Policy - "an umbrella organization and networking group for social conservative activists in the United States"

All of the 'research' cited by Reisman and Baldwin has been shown to be sheer and utter crap, driven by their religious and political beliefs and not by any adherence to scientific standards.

Things change, what today we consider paedophilia was once accepted as not only normal but legal. In 1886, twenty-five of the American states, following earlier English law, had an age of consent of ten years; four states, following Christian canon law on marriage, had an age of consent of twelve; Delaware, following Christian canon law on the age of discretion, set its age of consent at seven. As late as 1892, a bill was put forward in the New York State Senate to lower the age of consent to ten, it was defeated. Look for the following book, if you are interested in how the changes in societal acceptance of what we today call paedophilia, came about: Purity Crusade: Sexual Morality and Social Control, 1868-1900 by David J Pivar

The age of consent laws may have been low, but the practice of pedophilia was not as common as people believe. According to United States census information from the 1890s on.

Year Males Females
1890 26.1 22.0
1900 25.9 21.9
1910 25.1 21.6
1920 24.6 21.2
1930 24.3 21.3
1940 24.3 21.5
1950 22.8 20.3
1960 22.8 20.3
1970 23.2 20.8
1980 24.7 22.0
1990 26.1 23.9
1993 26.5 24.5
1994 26.7 24.5
1995 26.9 24.5
1996 27.1 24.8
1997 26.8 25.0
1998 26.7 25.0
1999 26.9 25.1
2000 26.8 25.1
2001 26.9 25.1
2002 26.9 25.3
2003 27.1 25.3
2005 27.0 25.5
2006 27.5 25.9
2007 27.71 26.0
2008 27.6 25.9
2009 28.1 25.9
2010 28.2 26.1

1. The margin of error for 2007 is +/- 0.2 years.
Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census; Web: Census Bureau Homepage.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

Yes..yes..I do..

Okay, I am a leader, because I like the program, I was a youth in it for fourteen years, I achieved my eagle, upon becoming 18 I was to old to be a youth, but the adult lessees kept me around because a younger man was a better liaison, between the youth and adults, I was 19 when I graduates from highschool, so done of the members were also class mates. They addled me to take on the role of eagle mentor, I helped give boys attain their eagle rank.

All without ever having sex. In fact I was a virgin until I was 22. I don't find children sexually attractive, they are children, I don't really talk about sex with them, I have no need to. Some know that I have a husband, they don't really care, that is what out means to not be bothered by homosexuals
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

It's about control, it's about easy manipulation, it's about being mentally and emotionally immature and unable to really relate with people of equivalent age.

And boys are typically targeted because they don't talk about it, they are ashamed, normally because of the ignorant crap that the fools who are afraid of the 3% of the population because of ignorance. Meanwhile nothing is said about the 97% of the population that is way more likely to be in proximity of a child.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

And boys are typically targeted because they don't talk about it, they are ashamed, normally because of the ignorant crap that the fools who are afraid of the 3% of the population because of ignorance. Meanwhile nothing is said about the 97% of the population that is way more likely to be in proximity of a child.

Definitely, little boys would feel shame because of the "gay" factor.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

The age of consent laws may have been low, but the practice of pedophilia was not as common as people believe. According to United States census information from the 1890s on.

Year Males Females
1890 26.1 22.0
1900 25.9 21.9
1910 25.1 21.6
1920 24.6 21.2
1930 24.3 21.3
1940 24.3 21.5
1950 22.8 20.3
1960 22.8 20.3
1970 23.2 20.8
1980 24.7 22.0
1990 26.1 23.9
1993 26.5 24.5
1994 26.7 24.5
1995 26.9 24.5
1996 27.1 24.8
1997 26.8 25.0
1998 26.7 25.0
1999 26.9 25.1
2000 26.8 25.1
2001 26.9 25.1
2002 26.9 25.3
2003 27.1 25.3
2005 27.0 25.5
2006 27.5 25.9
2007 27.71 26.0
2008 27.6 25.9
2009 28.1 25.9
2010 28.2 26.1

1. The margin of error for 2007 is +/- 0.2 years.
Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census; Web: Census Bureau Homepage.


Sorry Chris, but what does average age of the population have to do with notions about the age of consent?




Ah, maybe if you had linked to the page you are quoting from, it would have answered my question

Median Age of First Marriage

However, the one - median age of first marriage - does not equate in any shape, fashion or form with the prevalence of paedophilia in the late 19th Century. The changes in "age of consent laws" came about because efforts to reduce the surprising numbers of those we call children today who were active in prostitution during much of the Victorian Era.


Also "median" means half of all marriages were with people of less than the ages posted, with no bottom number provided.
 
Re: d you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

Definitely, little boys would feel shame because of the "gay" factor.

Not to mention the abuser normally in the manipulation of the child will tell them that they are gay, and perverted, sometimes the abuse may notfeel unpleasant to the boy, yet another way that boys are typically victimized multiple times, or crhonic.
 
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