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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?


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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I am done with you.......You make all these foolish statements about the Catholic Church and can not back up any.........You are the epitome of a hater.........Have a good evening.

see ladies and gentleman, this is how you know a debate is won. " when the debate is lost insults become the tool of the loser"- Socrates.

notice he calls me a hater mainly because he doesn't understand the first thing he was talking about.

the ignorant despise knowledge.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Your arguments are a little convenient. You'll cite the Bible, in English, to back your positions, but if someone else quotes a passage that you don't like, you'll say it doesn't really mean what it plainly says. How is your own translation more accurate than the numerous other English translations which you say aren't actually Scripture?

I quoted no passage, this is an English forum my Greek is not very good I don't know Latin or Aramaic or Sanskrit or Hebrew. so yes I rely on the language in which I understand. but I also understand that English lacks elegance mainly because it is butchered other languages slammed together.

Moses didn't speak English need to do Corinthians or the Ephesians or the canaanites or the Israelites, need I go on. so no scripture wasn't written in English. we have a translation but it's a translation not Scripture. unless I have real reason to doubt the meaning in English I typically don't.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Oh.
Then, as long as the couple has promised themselves to each other, sex is no sin whether it is hetero or homo.

I know many gay people think they despise the Bible. I know why. because people with opinions like Navy's manipulate the word to support your own prejudice if you read the Bible you will know that the only unforgivable sin is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Now Navy is just a pawn he isn't smart enough to have manipulated word to suit his prejudice. he's just Parrotting canards did he was made to think through manipulation.

but to blaspheme the Holy Spirit unknowingly is still a sin.

people don't despise the word, they despise the twisted manipulation is it has been perpetrated by the people that brainwashed Navy.

this is why several times in the Bible which is the people must strive for knowledge, because if you don't know anything and you sit in a building listen to a person that you were told has your best interest in mind you're easily led astray.

Satan's greatest trick is convincing us he isn't there beware you are on a battlefield and you're constantly its spiritual war. seek the Lord first if you need knowledge attain it.

sorry to go all preacher on you but I like talking about this.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I quoted no passage, this is an English forum my Greek is not very good I don't know Latin or Aramaic or Sanskrit or Hebrew. so yes I rely on the language in which I understand. but I also understand that English lacks elegance mainly because it is butchered other languages slammed together.

Moses didn't speak English need to do Corinthians or the Ephesians or the canaanites or the Israelites, need I go on. so no scripture wasn't written in English. we have a translation but it's a translation not Scripture. unless I have real reason to doubt the meaning in English I typically don't.

Ok, well I just disagree that scripture ceases to be scripture because it's translated.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

1) gay sex outside of biblical marriage is a sin, Biblically I am married.

2) I confess my sins to the Almighty. I will confess right now.

I have sinned in what I have done and what I failed to do to you my brothers and sisters and to my father in heaven. I confess.

Sorry according to the precepts of the Catholic church you have to confess your sins to a priest
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Ok, well I just disagree that scripture ceases to be scripture because it's translated.

Though, claiming that something is the full proof word of God from something that was written 2,000 years ago, translated from languages that aren't compatible, and that was edited hundreds of times over is something else. Should be really deny who they are, and be discriminated against based on that source? Just doesn't make much sense.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I really don't see any biblical support to believe otherwise.

are there any mortal sins in your church?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I really don't see any biblical support to believe otherwise.

Why don't you quit while your only losing by a little bit?
 
Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19]

This is a tough one. This is tough because I have been hearing some horror stories now. Mainly it is liability stuff (I am working with a lawyer as a school and looking and updating security/safety policies). There are some risks. I personally have nothing against gay people. It is an age thing really. Just like with any school...I would need to look at the camp I'm sending my child too. I want to make sure that they are not associating with older children (male or female). There are many factors. I have also had family subjected to one of the horror stories. It isn't just "gay kids" that do this though.

Bottom line. This is something the liberals will hate!!! They will call me anti-gay for this too. Of course they won't listen to my reasoning beyond the statement.

I don't want my child to be gay. It is that simple. Why? Because their life would be harder. Just like dating outside of your race can make life difficult. It is stupid. But it is true. Just like anyone with a child I wish that my child doesn't have to endure some of the stupid stuff in this world. I am dating interracial. I have dealt with some ridiculous stuff. My best friend's fiancé is white. Obviously he has had problems. But it is understood why his parents didnt like it at first. They got over it though. Sadly there are always those infrequent jerks. Anyway. That is my shpeel. M
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Ok, well I just disagree that scripture ceases to be scripture because it's translated.

I never said that scripture ceases to be Scripture when is translated, just wanted to translated incorrectly now if you think translating scripture incorrectly makes the new incorrect translation into Scripture in the old Scripture no longer Scripture then yes we do disagree.

I don't think Scripture ceases to be Scripture when Modern Language butchers it.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

This is a tough one. This is tough because I have been hearing some horror stories now. Mainly it is liability stuff (I am working with a lawyer as a school and looking and updating security/safety policies). There are some risks. I personally have nothing against gay people. It is an age thing really. Just like with any school...I would need to look at the camp I'm sending my child too. I want to make sure that they are not associating with older children (male or female). There are many factors. I have also had family subjected to one of the horror stories. It isn't just "gay kids" that do this though.

Bottom line. This is something the liberals will hate!!! They will call me anti-gay for this too. Of course they won't listen to my reasoning beyond the statement.

I don't want my child to be gay. It is that simple. Why? Because their life would be harder. Just like dating outside of your race can make life difficult. It is stupid. But it is true. Just like anyone with a child I wish that my child doesn't have to endure some of the stupid stuff in this world. I am dating interracial. I have dealt with some ridiculous stuff. My best friend's fiancé is white. Obviously he has had problems. But it is understood why his parents didnt like it at first. They got over it though. Sadly there are always those infrequent jerks. Anyway. That is my shpeel. M

When you disagree with liberals on his subject and as they are losing the argument they will immeditely start calling names like homophobe or bigot. they know nothing else and they call us the intolerant one.......so sad.....
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

mortal sins? do you mean deadly sins? will the opposite venial sins?

You really don't know what a mortal sin is? well everytime you lay with you BF that is a mortal sin.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

This is a tough one. This is tough because I have been hearing some horror stories now. Mainly it is liability stuff (I am working with a lawyer as a school and looking and updating security/safety policies). There are some risks. I personally have nothing against gay people. It is an age thing really. Just like with any school...I would need to look at the camp I'm sending my child too. I want to make sure that they are not associating with older children (male or female). There are many factors. I have also had family subjected to one of the horror stories. It isn't just "gay kids" that do this though.

Bottom line. This is something the liberals will hate!!! They will call me anti-gay for this too. Of course they won't listen to my reasoning beyond the statement.

I don't want my child to be gay. It is that simple. Why? Because their life would be harder. Just like dating outside of your race can make life difficult. It is stupid. But it is true. Just like anyone with a child I wish that my child doesn't have to endure some of the stupid stuff in this world. I am dating interracial. I have dealt with some ridiculous stuff. My best friend's fiancé is white. Obviously he has had problems. But it is understood why his parents didnt like it at first. They got over it though. Sadly there are always those infrequent jerks. Anyway. That is my shpeel. M

I agree with you, I have a boy he's gay I know its gonna be hard on him it already has been reason he was with me and my husband is because he's gay and his parents threw him out Street at the age of 13 because he was kissing a boy. I wish I could make him straight. if I had a son that I raised from a baby I would pray that he wasn't gay it is hard, very hard sometimes
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

When you disagree with liberals on his subject and as they are losing the argument they will immeditely start calling names like homophobe or bigot. they know nothing else and they call us the intolerant one.......so sad.....

much like you when you lose you call me a liberal. never won so did the word homophobe same phobia that didn't make sense.

you already lost this debate.

you just don't know anything about Scripture, and you base your argument on it.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Though, claiming that something is the full proof word of God from something that was written 2,000 years ago, translated from languages that aren't compatible, and that was edited hundreds of times over is something else.

I completely understand this argument. I'm not trying to convince anyone to believe any particular thing in the Bible. I'm content to let people decide for themselves what they believe and what they don't. All I've been saying all along is that those passages exist. That cannot be denied.

Should be really deny who they are, and be discriminated against based on that source? Just doesn't make much sense.

No YourStar, I haven't been advocating that at all.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

much like you when you lose you call me a liberal. never won so did the word homophobe same phobia that didn't make sense.

you already lost this debate.

you just don't know anything about Scripture, and you base your argument on it.

The difference is you are a Liberal, you can't hide it with Libertarian, that is not a political lean and you don't even know it. a Libertarian can be a Liberal, Conservative or moderate among others.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I wish I could make him straight.
But, you can't. What you can do is just accept "the gays" for what they naturally are.
if I had a son that I raised from a baby I would pray that he wasn't gay it is hard, very hard sometimes
You think God hears prayers and makes gays ungay on demand?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I completely understand this argument. I'm not trying to convince anyone to believe any particular thing in the Bible. I'm content to let people decide for themselves what they believe and what they don't. All I've been saying all along is that those passages exist. That cannot be denied.


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I don't deny that the scripture which you are speaking of exists, just that the translation of it is not the same as the words and further more the context in modern translation.

If they don't say the same thing, then one is incorrect. I will base my belief on the one that is more in sync with the Bible in general.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

believing is simply a matter of faith in Jesus Christ.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

believing is simply a matter of faith in Jesus Christ.

All your sins will be forgiven from mass murder to sleeping your friends wife.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

But, you can't. What you can do is just accept "the gays" for what they naturally are.
You think God hears prayers and makes gays ungay on demand?

No, I just know, because I am gay that being gay is not as easy as being straight. I accept him, how could I not, my gay lover and I would be mighty hypocrites if I didn't.
 
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