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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?

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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

CLAX1911 said:
what better than the reality?

You stop, you haven't offered any intelligence to this thread.
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That may be true. But I also haven't arrogantly claimed the gift of discernment, nor have I called another a liar and boastfully claimed that he is outmatched spiritually, intellectually, and etc.

And that's what I'm asking you to stop doing. I don't know who you are that you think you can claim you outmatch anybody spiritually. I guess you're hoping for a really productive reconciliation before Lent begins. You might want to mention pride.
 
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MaggieD said:
Jeepers! Then why are you arguing with me about it?
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Pretty sure I didn't, Maggie. Got a link?
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Oh, I am sorry, I am not trying to piss you off Maggy, you just seem the most reasonable one in this forum. I asked you because I know I would get an honest answer.

I know you are on the defensive due to several attacks. But I really just was wanting to know what this was all about.
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Its really sad that you lefties attack anyone that disagrees with you instead of addressing the issue.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
You can't even defend your false claims that the Bible condemns homosexuality.
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Well you can't say there's nothing in the Bible condemning it. I understand not believing it or whatever but you can't say it's not there.
 
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Goshin said:
Pretty sure I didn't, Maggie. Got a link?
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Goshin, my apologies. I got mixed up. I actually deleted the post, but you got it too quick. Mea culpa.
 
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Navy Pride said:
The Roman Catholic church does........I have to admit I am not a scholar pn the bible like you but I will take their word for it.
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My understanding is that the Catholic Church makes a distinction between who one is and what one does. And so it does condemn homosexual sex as it does other forms of fornication.
 
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MaggieD said:
No offense, but I think this is probably a prejudice he's picked up at home. ;)

I asked my cousin today what she would do. She said it wouldn't make a twit worth of difference to her. I asked, "But what if your boys (she has 2 grown) were 10 and 12? She said, "Maggie, by that age, my kids knew how their father felt about gays. It would not be a problem." So there is THAT bit of home prejudice to account for. It's not a good thing, but it's there.
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I would probably not allow my 11 year old daughter to join a troop with open lesbians............the same principles for both genders apply.
 
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Navy Pride said:
The Roman Catholic church does........I have to admit I am not a scholar pn the bible like you but I will take their word for it.
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I am not at all a scholar of anything. But I am a member of a gay affirming catholic church. And in my younger days I spoke to several priests and ft. Propolis was the one that walked me through the Greek.

The catholic church doesn't condemn gays, it just doesn't agree with gay marriage. The catholic church is universal, for everybody, that is its doctrine. If the catholic church condemned anybody it would be hypocritical. The scripture says that salvation is for those in need of salvation. Jesus said those words himself.
 
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nota bene said:
My understanding is that the Catholic Church makes a distinction between who one is and what one does. And so it does condemn homosexual sex as it does other forms of fornication.
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The church condemns any sex outside of marriage be it straight or gay...........We do welcome sinners straight or gay...........WE are taught to love the sinner and hate the sin.
 
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Goshin said:
Bud, I don't pretend to know all there is about human sexuality... but as I've said before, I don't believe in inborn and immutable orientation. I think we're all potentially changeable under the right circumstances, in behaviors if not in what is commonly called "orientation". Prison behavior is a good example.

So maybe, maybe not.

I'm just admitting it would make me kinda uncomfortable and raise some concerns.
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Goshin, I used to think the same way until I was the person that a gay friend came out to. What's funny is I had my suspicions before she even wanted to admit it to herself. She wasn't raised to be gay at all. In fact, her dad won't talk to her now. Where did she pick it up?
 
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CLAX1911 said:
I am not at all a scholar of anything. But I am a member of a gay affirming catholic church. And in my younger days I spoke to several priests and ft. Propolis was the one that walked me through the Greek.

The catholic church doesn't condemn gays, it just doesn't agree with gay marriage. The catholic church is universal, for everybody, that is its doctrine. If the catholic church condemned anybody it would be hypocritical. The scripture says that salvation is for those in need of salvation. Jesus said those words himself.
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Sorry I don't believe you. I went to Catholic school for 12 years and have never heard of a gay catholic church............It would be totally against the Pope's teachings......
 
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CLAX1911 said:
I am not at all a scholar of anything. But I am a member of a gay affirming catholic church. And in my younger days I spoke to several priests and ft. Propolis was the one that walked me through the Greek.

The catholic church doesn't condemn gays, it just doesn't agree with gay marriage. The catholic church is universal, for everybody, that is its doctrine. If the catholic church condemned anybody it would be hypocritical. The scripture says that salvation is for those in need of salvation. Jesus said those words himself.
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Respectfully, Claxx, I think the Catholic church denies communion to gays who are living with a same-sex partner. The Catholic church considers a homosexual practicing his orientation to not be in a state of grace -- thus being unable to receive the sacrament. Sad, but there it is.
 
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MaggieD said:
Riddle me this: If my 10-year-old is manipulated to have guy-on-guy sex by a 14-year-old, how is that any less a traumatic experience than if it was an 18-year-old manipulating him?
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riddle me this why do you only worry about this with gay people?
do you believe gay people are more likely to sexually "manipulate" others for some reason?
 
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X Factor said:
Goshin, I used to think the same way until I was the person that a gay friend came out to. What's funny is I had my suspicions before she even wanted to admit it to herself. She wasn't raised to be gay at all. In fact, her dad won't talk to her now. Where did she pick it up?
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I don't claim to have the answer to that. Experts that study homosexuality from a psychological and physiological context have not yet been able to prove a definitive and general "cause" for homosexuality.

I am with those experts I've read who believe that the "causes" can be a combination of many factors, and can vary from individual to individual.

I don't believe in immutable orientation because it depends on behavior to determine orientation... thus making itself a circular argument with no leg to stand on, while proclaiming "behavior may vary, but orientation doesn't".

Ok fine whatever... but it is well known that behavior DOES vary! I've known self-proclaimed gay men who sometimes had sex with women. Prison behavior is another proof that behavior varies. So why does everyone implode if someone suggests it might VARY in the other direction? That someone straight might be talked into engaging in a homosexual act by someone persuasive who desired them?

We certainly see that behavior occur in the hetero world don't we? Plenty of gals say "oh hell no" to some guy, but he keeps pursuing and pressing and the next thing you hear is that Suzie finally slept with Sam.

I'm not saying it happens every day, but I'd be very surprised if it doesn't happen at all.
 
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Objective-J said:
riddle me this why do you only worry about this with gay people?
do you believe gay people are more likely to sexually "manipulate" others for some reason?
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It would not be a problem if the boys or girls were all straight..........They would have no sexual to one another, in fact they would be disgusted by it..
 
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X Factor said:
Well you can't say there's nothing in the Bible condemning it. I understand not believing it or whatever but you can't say it's not there.
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Yes I can, because not only can I say it isn't there, but I can say that there is no possible way it could be there. Corinthians is one book in the English translation has the word homosexual in it, this is flawed for so many reasons I can't count.

Corinth is a city in Greece, so the original text is written in Greek, homosexual is a term invented by alternating Latin which was only coined about a century ago. The rich text is the word arsenokoitai in conjunction with malakos and catamites, arsenokoitai is the combination of Arseno which means male and koitai which means bed. We know it was a greco tradition for predominate males to take boy sex slaves, so arsenokoitai is a man who takes a man to bed. This would apply to modern homosexuality but if it weren't for the context in which the word is used. Malakos means soft, catamite means boy prostitute.

The original text as my very basic understanding of Greek, is referring to the wealthy users of mankind, particularly men with young boy concubines.

Just like the word kill in reference to the ten commandments is understood to mean murder. The many times different hands have translated the Bible into many different languages it loses its meaning. Like the game of telephone but over four millennia and across hundreds of cultures.

I would love to learn more biblical Greek just to see what truly was written.
 
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Navy Pride said:
It would not be a problem if the boys or girls were all straight..........They would have no sexual to one another, in fact they would be disgusted by it..
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What does this have to do with anything being talked about? oh thats right, nothing.
 
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MaggieD said:
Respectfully, Claxx, I think the Catholic church denies communion to gays who are living with a same-sex partner. The Catholic church considers a homosexual practicing his orientation to not be in a state of grace -- thus being unable to receive the sacrament. Sad, but there it is.
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I don't see how it's sad. If you're a Catholic, you follow the rules of the Catholic Church, or else you don't get to participate in all activities and benefits via non-compliance.
 
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MaggieD said:
Respectfully, Claxx, I think the Catholic church denies communion to gays who are living with a same-sex partner. The Catholic church considers a homosexual practicing his orientation to not be in a state of grace -- thus being unable to receive the sacrament. Sad, but there it is.
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Yeah, I guess my catholic parish has a different pope then.
 
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Surtr said:
I don't see how it's sad. If you're a Catholic, you follow the rules of the Catholic Church, or else you don't get to participate in all activities and benefits via non-compliance.
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It isn't sad, because it isn't true.
 
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Obviously we have some Gays in my church...My church has about a thousand members so if you go by stats then 1% are gay....Like I said before they are welcomed with open arms but they cannot sin just like straights can't
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Yeah, I guess my catholic parish has a different pope then.
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If yours condones homosexual acts we sure do.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Sorry I don't believe you. I went to Catholic school for 12 years and have never heard of a gay catholic church............It would be totally against the Pope's teachings......
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Catholics don't worship popes, so the popes teachings aren't really of much value.

Further more the world has grown since you were in catholic school, as did the church. There are gay affirming Catholic churches, what you believe is irrelevant.
 
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MaggieD said:
You are always quick to play the prejudice card, TPD. Tiring. If you trust kids 10-11-12 years old who openly announce their sexuality -- the ages most commonly at camp, that's on you. I don't. That doesn't make me prejudiced. It doesn't make me ignorant. It makes me cautious.
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You don't care if they openly announce their heterosexuality. It's the homosexuality you care if they announce.
 
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