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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?


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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

My children are 5 and 2.......at this point the two year old might be the anti-Christ for all I know--could go either way. I am not sure yet. This is all theoretical for me at this point in time so I am at least trying to be as intellectually honest as I can be.

Which is perfectly legit. I can tell you from personal experience that if they grow up around known gay adults (as you suggested is the case), they're probably not going to have any significant issues with homosexual peers.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Not off hand...however, I'm sure I can find it. It was widely discussed in a number of psychology classes that I had in college...

Well, it sounds like one of those dorky political myths like homophobes are actually repressed homosexuals (some are, but as this thread highlights, it's over employed for political effect). So I have my doubts there is actually any validity behind it

But look forward to reading your citations
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I am debating like that sane person. I actually studied Greek Scripture with the priest regarding this topic. never found a single mention of homosexuality in any Scripture. the priest I was studying with, father Propolis, was fluent in Greek which is the original text of Corinthians and leviticus from the Old Testament and Timothy from the New Testament.

If my priest says homosexuality isn't mentioned in the original Scripture and yours is preaching against it there's a problem someone is wrong. we have scripture to back me up, what do you have?

lol, these arguments are always hilarious: Regardless who is telling you what, or reading what, those books are so highly interpreted that there is no correct answer to what is a "true christian"
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Well, it sounds like one of those dorky political myths like homophobes are actually repressed homosexuals (some are, but as this thread highlights, it's over employed for political effect). So I have my doubts there is actually any validity behind it

But look forward to reading your citations

No...nothing like that. It generally comes up in the context that just because children engage in sexual experimentation among members of the same sex, it is not an indication that they are gay. It is very common for straight/heterosexual kids to engage in same-sex experimentation and it has no influence on their sexual orientation.

So in actuality...its kinda opposite of what you were thinking. I'll try to find some of the studies. Its been a few years, but I still have most of my texts.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

My children are 5 and 2.......at this point the two year old might be the anti-Christ for all I know--could go either way. I am not sure yet. This is all theoretical for me at this point in time so I am at least trying to be as intellectually honest as I can be.

raise your kids not to stone Matthew Shepard to death, and not to be easily manipulated. they're young enough that you can still address this. it isn't the pleasant thing to talk about with children. I know I do it for the Boy Scouts every 6 months. but equipped with knowledge you kids can know how to protect themselves
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Why haven't you answered my very straightforward question?




Which is my left wing friend?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Well, it sounds like one of those dorky political myths like homophobes are actually repressed homosexuals (some are, but as this thread highlights, it's over employed for political effect). So I have my doubts there is actually any validity behind it

But look forward to reading your citations

It's not. Here's the first link I ran accross.

The Developing Person Through Childhood and Adolescence - Kathleen Stassen Berger - Google Books
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

raise your kids not to stone Matthew Shepard to death, and not to be easily manipulated. they're young enough that you can still address this. it isn't the pleasant thing to talk about with children. I know I do it for the Boy Scouts every 6 months. but equipped with knowledge you kids can know how to protect themselves


What a cop out.....They were not kids who did that....Like all kids are out there beating up gays..........
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

No...nothing like that. It generally comes up in the context that just because children engage in sexual experimentation among members of the same sex, it is not an indication that they are gay. It is very common for straight/heterosexual kids to engage in same-sex experimentation and it has no influence on their sexual orientation.

this is not what you originally claimed. You originally claimed
More same sex childhood sexual experimentation takes place among straight boys than gay boys.

Interesting that you are already seemingly backtracking from it

So in actuality...its kinda opposite of what you were thinking. I'll try to find some of the studies. Its been a few years, but I still have most of my texts.

I understand straight kids can experiment with same sex relationships. The problem is, that this IS NOT what you originally claimed
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Which is my left wing friend?

Seriously? I've posted it twice, both roughly within the last hour or so. See posts #554 and #572.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

lol, these arguments are always hilarious: Regardless who is telling you what, or reading what, those books are so highly interpreted that there is no correct answer to what is a "true christian"

I agree, but I'd prefer my interpretation over that of an organization that only recently condemned the practice homosexual child molestation only due to moral outrage of modern society.

I think you need to adress this to Mister pride he believes everything his priest tells him to believe.

I have a mind of my own and also the gift of discernment, read up on it if you don't know what it is, just believing what people tell you to believe, that's dangerous
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

raise your kids not to stone Matthew Shepard to death, and not to be easily manipulated. they're young enough that you can still address this. it isn't the pleasant thing to talk about with children. I know I do it for the Boy Scouts every 6 months. but equipped with knowledge you kids can know how to protect themselves

Just curious--are you a parent yourself?

And are you proud of the way you're talking to others?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Seriously? I've posted it twice, both roughly within the last hour or so. See posts #554 and #572.

I am fighting the good fight against 4 or 5 of you lefties on several threads and don't have time to look it up.......If you are so concerned then post it again or forget it.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

What a cop out.....They were not kids who did that....Like all kids are out there beating up gays..........

hey Navy pride he said he was afraid his kids might grow up to be the time that stone Matthew Shepard. you react like a liberal, take your literacy go back to the comment I was responding to, and read it. versus the strange outbursts they tend to make you look really foolish.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

this is not what you originally claimed. You originally claimed

Interesting that you are already seemingly backtracking from it



I understand straight kids can experiment with same sex relationships. The problem is, that this IS NOT what you originally claimed


I'm not backtracking at all. By all acounts there are much larger numbers of straight kids out there than gay kids. Unless you have ALL gay kids engaging in same sex sexual experimentation and an extremely small percentage of straight kids....then you are going to have more straight kids engaging in same sex experimentation simply due to the numbers. Its basic math.

There are surveys which break down the percentages of self-reported behaviors which document this. The rates are pretty close to the same (percentage wise) but again....because of the sheer numbers, this means that more experimentation takes place among straight boys.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

your citation doesn't support his claim, either. It even stresses no one knows what actually constitutes Maccoby's "substantial" number

I was talking about the first study, which had more solid info. Roughly ten percent of adolescent males in the study engaged in same sex experimentation, and most of them grew up to be heterosexual adults. It's a paragraph or two up from what you're talking about.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

your citation doesn't support his claim, either. It even stresses no one knows what actually constitutes Maccoby's "substantial" number

actually it does, if you read the article.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I am fighting the good fight against 4 or 5 of you lefties on several threads and don't have time to look it up.......If you are so concerned then post it again or forget it.

:roll: Yes. That totallly explains why you've failed entirely to answer my question twice already:

Which do you think is more likely:

That two campers would engage in sexual experimentation in their own cabin/group tent/etc, or that they'd do so by sneaking out and going somewhere else?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I am fighting the good fight against 4 or 5 of you lefties on several threads and don't have time to look it up.......If you are so concerned then post it again or forget it.

everything you just said is a lie. you're not fighting you can't you are out matched spiritually intellectually and realistically. I would also stay in sayin testicular fortitude. so you're fighting you're just stuck in your standard canards.

and you could be the biggest lefty here. getting all involved in something that doesn't concern you, telling the retards want to take away guns. it's no different.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I was talking about the first study, which had more solid info. Roughly ten percent of adolescent males in the study engaged in same sex experimentation, and most of them grew up to be heterosexual adults. It's a paragraph or two up from what you're talking about.

one study returned a percentage of .5% identifying as homosexual and the other 8.5% and mentioned "attraction", not experimentation.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

actually it does, if you read the article.

Please explain then
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I'm not backtracking at all. By all acounts there are much larger numbers of straight kids out there than gay kids. Unless you have ALL gay kids engaging in same sex sexual experimentation and an extremely small percentage of straight kids....then you are going to have more straight kids engaging in same sex experimentation simply due to the numbers. Its basic math.

Yes, if we ignore how you can be wrong, it seems you might be right

There are surveys which break down the percentages of self-reported behaviors which document this. The rates are pretty close to the same (percentage wise) but again....because of the sheer numbers, this means that more experimentation takes place among straight boys.

So you were intentionally ignoring the effect demographics would have to make a political point? Thank you
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

:roll: Yes. That totallly explains why you've failed entirely to answer my question twice already:

he fails to think logically, or with common sense. he doesn't answer anything. he's dishonest to the nation his religion and his political affiliation.

he fails to address anything because he can't. if it goes against the only thing he knows.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

he fails to think logically, or with common sense. he doesn't answer anything. he's dishonest to the nation his religion and his political affiliation.

he fails to address anything because he can't. if it goes against the only thing he knows.

Let's put "knows" in quotes.
 
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