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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?


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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

What exactly about their "lifestyle" do you dislike, and what exactly do you think they might do to impressionable young boys?

We have been over this issue a dozen times redress and you know exactly how I feel.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Why be afraid, most boys that are molested are done so by family members, I would be more concerned at a family reunion.

My boy is openly gay, so I think knowing other openly gay men would be good for him.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

We have been over this issue a dozen times redress and you know exactly how I feel.

No I don't NP. Why are you afraid to state your concerns clearly and openly.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I would ban them because of their lifestyle and what they might do to young impressionable boys......... I feel confident the BSA will do the right thing.

The thing is my lifestyle isn't that much different than yours. I wake in the morning, go to work, go home to my family, talk about things with my boy, go to bed with my lover.

His penis doesn't make my "lifestyle" any different. So I don't know what you mean, aside from maybe a gay man telling a kid that he is gay if the kid asks, perhaps talking to the kid if the kid feels he may be gay.

Your fear that the gay people secretly run around and convert or attempt to convert the straight people is really bizarre. First if a gay guy can convert a straight guy just by being near him, I would say that the straight guy isn't really straight.

I worked for the boy scouts professionally for years, taking at camps, I worked with youth staff, I worked with youth, and never did I really even think about having sex with the youth, really kids don't do it for me, I like men not boys. I like women, not girls.

Gay people are not out of control perverts. Do you have an urge to screw 12 year old girls when you are around them?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

No I don't NP. Why are you afraid to state your concerns clearly and openly.

I think its more of a reflection than a concern. Really, anywhere there are children there are adults, one in six males are molested as children, one and three females are molested as children, if that was mostly the 1 to 4 % of the population that was gay, we would be screwing children constantly.

He is afraid that you can catch gay by being in proximity of gay people. The sad truth is that most gay men that I know don't have any outward signs of homosexuality, he could be around gay people and not even know it.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

You might not like it my left wing friend but the BSA are a private organization and can deny membership to anyonr they see fit.

And they can be criticized for it by their own members.

I would ban them because of their lifestyle and what they might do to young impressionable boys......... I feel confident the BSA will do the right thing.

What lifestyle? Gays live a life that is essentially the same as everyone else's.

And the BSA doesn't have the history of doing the right thing. Two decades of hiding pedophiles from police.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I would ban them because of their lifestyle and what they might do to young impressionable boys......... I feel confident the BSA will do the right thing.

"Their lifestyle"

Hmmm...

I daresay that if you met my brother you would probably say his lifestyle is pretty much like any other man...except that he shares his life with a man instead of a woman.

Heck, I think you would enjoy having a beer with my brother.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Navy Pride's vast ignorance on everything gay leads him to believe that this (but much more extreme) is EVERY gay male:

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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Navy Pride's vast ignorance on everything gay leads him to believe that this (but much more extreme) is EVERY gay male:

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:lol::lamo


but never a guy like this fellow

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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I feel confident the BSA will do the right thing.

They will...and once again, you will be on the wrong side of history...on the outside looking in.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

When I was a cub scout we had a den mother. I'm pretty sure that's why I am straight today. :2razz:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Okay Navy Pride,

here's one for you:

Would you be okay with sending your son to a scouting event knowing that the BSA for two decades systematically shuffled pedophiles around troops Catholic Church Style and hid them from the police?

Pedophiles are overwhelmingly straight males. So statistically, your kid would be safer from pedophilia with homosexual scout leaders.

I'm not Catholic but I'll weigh in on this on since sadly this sort of thing has also gone on at other Churches.

Christians (at least many of them) don't become involved in Church life because they see it as a recreational opportunity but rather part of an overall spiritual disciple out of obedience to a God Christians think of as not only their Father but also their Master. Many Christians consider it to be a directive of God for those who have made commitments to live for Him, to be involved in Church life as expressed in the Bible. This however does not mean God requires Christians to place their children in danger of fake Christians, who the Bible also says are also among the Church in large numbers, some of whom might be sexual predators. For me, I would not be completely trusting. If I have to leave my kid someplace, I'd be very cautious about it including at Church. I'd want to know that there are redundant safeguards in place including background checks for those who are working with kids. I'd want to know that policies are in place were no child is allowed to be left alone with a single adult but only groups of Children my be left with at least 2 adult workers, preferably 3 or more. I'd want open door policies so that at any time as a parent I could walk in on the children's classes and see how my child was doing. I'd prefer CCTV where if I want parents can log in on their smart phones and see how the class was going. Nobody from church is allowed to give expressions of affection (hugs and kisses) to my child at any time. If a church worker wants to give a child a treat of gift, they must give it to the parent who then may give it to the child if they want.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Its really quite simple.........When my family goes to mass we don't sleep with the priest...........with a gay scoutmaster or scout they might sleep in the same tent. I hope that explains it for you.

It is your fear that homosexuality is contagious? You fear that a sexual assault may occur? I submit, sir, that far more sexual assaults have been committed by clergy than BSA yet you defend the Catholic church and do not hold them to the same standards.

I do understand where you are coming from though. Your generation has been conditioned to fear gays. You were taught that it is a mental disorder and assumingly contagious. That doesn't make you a bad person. Just ill-informed.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I never had a problem with blacks in the military or BSA. In fact the Republican Party was the main reason the Civil Rights bill was passed....Most of the dems were from the south and wanted to reject the civil rights act. You never hear that side from the Liberial press.

Southern Democrats from that time are today's Republicans. Do not think the Republican party is any way the same as it was back then.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I don't know what he would do...Its just not about him.....Its about openly gay scouts...I would not like to have my son sleep in a small tent with openly gay scouts......If they approve gays openly in the scouts I would not be surprised to see a mass exodus.

I know your a Catholic hater and you love to spiel your point about the priests but the truth is only about 1% of Catholic Priests have been convicted of any child abuse.

Keep in mind sir that my wife and her entire family are Catholic. I love them dearly. Also, keep in mind that I live a stone's through from Archbishop Cousin's center (same place where St. John's School for the Deaf was located.) You may recall that that is the place where the whole Catholic pedophilia exposure blew up. You may recall the following cover-up that was investigated all the way to the Vatican. Statutes of limitations prevented much of the prosecutions from that ordeal.

But homosexuality and pedophilia is alive and well in the Catholic Church. Why are you so focused on BSA rather than the church? If you can turn your blind eye towards the church, why are you having so much trouble with BSA?

I love the Catholic people. But you are right. I disdain the church much like you disdain homosexuality. The Catholic church is an abomination and not representitive of anything I know to be Godly.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

It is your fear that homosexuality is contagious? You fear that a sexual assault may occur? I submit, sir, that far more sexual assaults have been committed by clergy than BSA yet you defend the Catholic church and do not hold them to the same standards.

I do understand where you are coming from though. Your generation has been conditioned to fear gays. You were taught that it is a mental disorder and assumingly contagious. That doesn't make you a bad person. Just ill-informed.

He's a bad person. If his generation were taught that the earth is the center of the solar system and new evidence came forth to disprove that and he ignored it, he would no longer be afforded the luxury of being "ill-informed". The same applies here.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

He's a bad person. If his generation were taught that the earth is the center of the solar system and new evidence came forth to disprove that and he ignored it, he would no longer be afforded the luxury of being "ill-informed". The same applies here.

I think Navy Pride is from a generation that simply does not know any better. But I think, in his heart of hearts, he is a good person underneath all the ignorance. We are all products of our environment.

We should all exercize our tolerance for other people. Navy Pride included. We don't have to agree with him but I have come to learn that the people that are the hardest to love often are the people that need the love the most.

I simply disagree with NP. But I do respect him and would not hesitate to help him out in any way I can if it was within my means to do so.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I would ban them because of their lifestyle and what they might do to young impressionable boys......... I feel confident the BSA will do the right thing.

I feel confident that the BSA will do the right thing as well, but as with many anachronistic customs based on illogical fears and prejudices, it has taken time.

The reason that I believe the BSA SHOULD end their ban on gays is precisely BECAUSE of what it will do for impressionable young boys. You see, I don't think gay is a disease or a choice, so there ARE and ALWAYS will be children who are gay (not that it is relevant when they are children, but it is still what they are) and they ARE impressionable. The impression I would prefer to give them is that being what they are is perfectly acceptable. Making people hide what they are is one great way to crush a person. Allowing people to be opnely gay does not mean allowing people to have gay sex in public, it just means allowing them to admit what they believe they are.

I don't believe either of my children are gay, but I want them to know that if they are, it's fine by me, I will love them for who they are, not their sexual orientation. My children are aware of my stance on this, and they are aware that I believe that organizations that discriminate in this way are simply fearful backwards people who will get old and die and take their prejudices with them.

Go take a look at the hundreds of thousands of conservatives who have reversed their position on this issue for one simple reason, they learned their own child was gay, and in that moment, they come to realize that gay people are not something to fear, but people who want to disciminate against their children over this simple fact of their child's nature are the people to be feared.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

News Flash:

BSA decides to kick the can down the road and postpone their decision until May.

It seems they are between the proverbial rock and a hard place. Their corporate support has diminished and their membership has dropped arounnd 30% due to their current stance opposing gays.

But there are also people, like NP, who they fear they will lose support from as well if they allow gays to participate.

My bet is that the money will talk in the end.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

He's a bad person. If his generation were taught that the earth is the center of the solar system and new evidence came forth to disprove that and he ignored it, he would no longer be afforded the luxury of being "ill-informed". The same applies here.

Fortunately, we don't punish people for their thoughts. Navy Pride is not a bad person. He is just as entitled to be prejudiced against gays as you are to be prejudiced against people with blue eyes. It is actions that make a person bad . . . not thoughts. Prejudice comes from people judging other people. Perhaps we have a "physician, heal thyself" moment here.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I feel confident that the BSA will do the right thing as well, but as with many anachronistic customs based on illogical fears and prejudices, it has taken time.

The reason that I believe the BSA SHOULD end their ban on gays is precisely BECAUSE of what it will do for impressionable young boys. You see, I don't think gay is a disease or a choice, so there ARE and ALWAYS will be children who are gay (not that it is relevant when they are children, but it is still what they are) and they ARE impressionable. The impression I would prefer to give them is that being what they are is perfectly acceptable. Making people hide what they are is one great way to crush a person. Allowing people to be opnely gay does not mean allowing people to have gay sex in public, it just means allowing them to admit what they believe they are.

I don't believe either of my children are gay, but I want them to know that if they are, it's fine by me, I will love them for who they are, not their sexual orientation. My children are aware of my stance on this, and they are aware that I believe that organizations that discriminate in this way are simply fearful backwards people who will get old and die and take their prejudices with them.

Go take a look at the hundreds of thousands of conservatives who have reversed their position on this issue for one simple reason, they learned their own child was gay, and in that moment, they come to realize that gay people are not something to fear, but people who want to disciminate against their children over this simple fact of their child's nature are the people to be feared.

Awesome post. Well thought out. Kudos to you.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Fortunately, we don't punish people for their thoughts. Navy Pride is not a bad person. He is just as entitled to be prejudiced against gays as you are to be prejudiced against people with blue eyes. It is actions that make a person bad . . . not thoughts. Prejudice comes from people judging other people. Perhaps we have a "physician, heal thyself" moment here.

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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

He's a bad person. If his generation were taught that the earth is the center of the solar system and new evidence came forth to disprove that and he ignored it, he would no longer be afforded the luxury of being "ill-informed". The same applies here.

In combination with my other post.

THESE are bad people. These church goers:

Members of the quasi-religious group, Westboro Baptist Church, planned to gather in Connecticut to protest the funeral of Newtown, Conn., shooting victim Principal Dawn Hochsprung. However, Good Samaritans were already there to thwart any possible protest with a human wall.

The Westboro Baptist Church announced plans to picket Hochsprung's funeral on Wednesday in Woodbury, Conn., and "sing praise to God for the glory of his work in executing his judgment." The group has blamed the mass shooting on Connecticut's same-sex marriage legislation. On Dec. 14, 26 people were shot at Sandy Hook Elementary School, 20 of those victims included children ages 6 and 7.

Motorcylists lined up on Wednesday to protest the possible protesters. "All these guys see us and think we're bad. We're not. It's solidarity, is what it is," New York native Jim Hannigan told Newtown Patch. "I just felt I had to be here."
 
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