Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

CanadaJohn said:

I would agree - I'm no expert on the matter, but it seems there is a certain level of hysteria that developed beginning with the revelations about the Catholic Church and decades of both boys and girls, but mainly boys, being sexually abused by clergy. That led to the misconception that all gays are peodophiles and all clergy are gay and by extention any adult male who works or volunteers with children must be a gay peodophile.

Such unhealthy suspicions have led to many men in today's society removing themselves from any situation where they may be falsely accused of inappropriate contact with children.

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Navy Pride said:

I wonder do you have the stats breakdown on the priests who molested girls and boys? thanks

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Smeagol said:

In fact the US Military paved the way for racial equality in America due in no small part to the skill and heroics of black servicemen that particularly came to light in WWII. White bomber pilots who wanted to live to see another day began requesting escorts by the all black Tuskegee Airmen due to their high level of skill and discipline. Black Pearl Harbor sailor Dorie Miller during the attack on Peal Harbor carried several wounded sailors to safety then on his own initiative manned an anti-aircraft machine gun and shot down several Japanese bombers with absolutely no training beyond doing laundry. This sort of military distinction caused the military rank, file and officers to press Congress to racially integrate. 30 years later, former Tuskegee Airman Chappie James became the first 4 Star General in the US Military, was given command of the North American Strategic Air Command with the responsibility of protecting the North American continent from a surprise Soviet attack and the only human being in America with standing authorization to launch a nuclear attack on another country without Presidential approval other than the President.

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Smeagol said:

Emotions aside, does anybody think being public about one's homosexual orientation very well might embolden them to be more likely to express that orientation in the form of overtures since there's nothing to hide? I'm heterosexual. When I was a teenager it was pretty much known by everyone who knew me, I liked girls. Part and parcel of that was I occasionally flirted with and made advances of various types to the young ladies in my peer group, yet being more of a gentleman than most other guys, to be honest. A big difference however is I was not allowed to sleep alone with them in tents nor did the girls' parents feel compelled to make them spend the night with me under the stars out of the societal pressures of political correctness.

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Navy Pride said:

I wonder do you have the stats breakdown on the priests who molested girls and boys? thanks

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zstep18 said:

Well, considering that a large number of cases probably go unnoticed, an accurate stat would be impossible.

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Navy Pride said:

I wonder do you have the stats breakdown on the priests who molested girls and boys? thanks

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RabidAlpaca said:

Considering homosexuality isn't infectious, I don't know why it would matter.



Not being terrified of gay people doesn't make us leftists. It makes us not you.

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Navy Pride said:

If you notice the poll is pretty much divided by Conservtive and Liberal and by the breakdown in DP.

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Sherman123 said:

Plenty of the people who voted yes consider themselves conservative, or republicans, or whatever term you'd like to use, including myself. We just happen to live in 2013 and we're pretty confident 'the gay' is not a transferable disease.

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zstep18 said:

I wouldn't call RapidAlpaca a liberal, lol.

Or others.

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Navy Pride said:

Its true a few Cons voted yes but there are a lot of Liberals in DP who are ashamed by that stereotype and try and hide it with a Centrist or Moderate label the problem is their posts give them away.

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zstep18 said:

I wouldn't call RapidAlpaca a liberal, lol.

Or others.

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Navy Pride said:

You are a perfect example.......Undisclosed what a joke............Stand up and be counted.......I rest my case.........

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Smeagol said:

Emotions aside, does anybody think being public about one's homosexual orientation very well might embolden them to be more likely to express that orientation in the form of overtures since there's nothing to hide? I'm heterosexual. When I was a teenager it was pretty much known by everyone who knew me, I liked girls. Part and parcel of that was I occasionally flirted with and made advances of various types to the young ladies in my peer group, yet being more of a gentleman than most other guys, to be honest. A big difference however is I was not allowed to sleep alone with them in tents nor did the girls' parents feel compelled to make their daughters spend the night with me under the stars out of the societal pressures of political correctness.

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Navy Pride said:

You are a perfect example.......Undisclosed what a joke............Stand up and be counted.......I rest my case.........

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CanadaJohn said:

I'm admittedly a long time removed for my days of boy scouts and summer camp or camping but since when did camp counsellors or boy scout leaders, gay, straight or otherwise, start bedding down with the kids? That's just a non-starter unless someone can prove otherwise.

If you're talking about a child being gay - guess what - not many children are sophisticated enough to know that they are gay until they become sexually aware - and besides, those who are most adamantly opposed to gays and the gay lifestyle refuse to accept that being gay may be innate and not learned behavior so I don't get that one either.

This doesn't mean that parents shouldn't drum into their child's head on a regular basis that their body belongs to them and they should not allow any person, regardless of gender, to touch them in any way they don't like or feel totally comfortable with.

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Manc Skipper said:

There are gay conservatives. It's not a left or right issue. Some people are caring and supportive towards others, some are contemptuous and derisive. It's not political.

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Smeagol said:

Every gay friend I have who has been willing to talk with me about it points to dysfunction from childhood that was the genesis of their homosexuality. In fact, I was just on the phone with a friend this weekend catching up on things who is a former homosexual (his own self-descriptive, not mine). When he was a kid his single mother wanted him to have a male mentor asked a guy she knew to mentor her son. For almost a year the man molested my friend, a serial pattern of abuse he (not me) attributes to his becoming a homosexual. Two other friends claim to have grown up in verbally abusive homes. One saw his mother regularly demean, humiliate and browbeat his dad who was his hero. He grew up to have a strong dislike for women as a result. The other's dad was a career military man (not that there's anything wrong with that) who treated his son like he was a recruit in basic training his entire childhood; harsh and verbally abusive. He grew up wanting to be nothing like his dad and rejected everything he saw modeled as a man. Their own stories, not mine.

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Smeagol said:

Every gay friend I have who has been willing to talk with me about it points to dysfunction from childhood that was the genesis of their homosexuality. In fact, I was just on the phone with a friend this weekend catching up on things who is a former homosexual (his own self-descriptive, not mine). When he was a kid his single mother wanted him to have a male mentor asked a guy she knew to mentor her son. For almost a year the man molested my friend, a serial pattern of abuse he (not me) attributes to his becoming a homosexual. Two other friends claim to have grown up in verbally abusive homes. One saw his mother regularly demean, humiliate and browbeat his dad who was his hero. He grew up to have a strong dislike for women as a result. The other's dad was a career military man (not that there's anything wrong with that) who treated his son like he was a recruit in basic training his entire childhood; harsh and verbally abusive. He grew up wanting to be nothing like his dad and rejected everything he saw modeled as a man. Their own stories, not mine.

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Navy Pride said:

If you notice the poll is pretty much divided by Conservtive and Liberal and by the breakdown in DP.

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zstep18 said:

Perfect example of what? Stand up and be counted? What are you talking about?

You think because I put "Undisclosed" that I'm ashamed of my political views? No, not at all. Most people would probably call me a liberal. I put "Undisclosed" so people will look at what I actually have to say rather than just what it says below my name.

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