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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?

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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

MaggieD said:
I have to say I probably would not. My job as a parent isn't to be politically correct. It's to protect my son for as much as I can. Honestly? I wouldn't be worried about the counselors. I'd be worried about peer pressure from so-called gay boys who wanted my son to experiment. I'd want to protect him at camp -- just like I'd want to protect him from his friends in the basement of my home.

Frankly? I think any parent who would answer otherwise is missing something.
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and what would that be?
 
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MaggieD said:
An anomoly isn't necessarily bad. I don't see homosexuality as bad either. But. If my son is homosexual, he will find out on his own -- not because some kids talked him into experimenting while he's away at camp. Definition of anomoly I'm using is:
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I guess we will have to disagree. Kids face peer pressure everywhere, from drugs to bullying, to do doing whatever to be popular, fitting in, etc.

In my opinion, these are more serious, and much more likely than any possible homosexual experimentation.
 
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Objective-J said:
and what would that be?
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Stupidity. There are no rational reasons to not let them go based on the presence of gays.
 
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Objective-J said:
and what would that be?
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The logic that would tell a parent that teens sometimes do stupid things....that 10-year-olds are vulnerable...that their job as a parent isn't to be politically correct, but to smooth the bumps in the road and protect their children from possibly very unpleasant experiences. Kids do stupid things. Sometimes those stupid things have unintended consequences.
 
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zstep18 said:
I guess we will have to disagree. Kids face peer pressure everywhere, from drugs to bullying, to do doing whatever to be popular, fitting in, etc.

In my opinion, these are more serious, and much more likely than any possible homosexual experimentation.
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I can respect that.
 
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MaggieD said:
I'd want to protect him at camp -- just like I'd want to protect him from his friends in the basement of my home.
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You keep his friends in your basement?





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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

MaggieD said:
:rofl -- I did change my mind after I thought about it. Not because of homosexual adults, but because of the children. And, you're welcome. *hugs*
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I wonder how many people especially mothers instead of attacking me may have changed their mind to........Maaybe I might look bad but I just would not put my young children through it............:wink:
 
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MaggieD said:
The logic that would tell a parent that teens sometimes do stupid things....that 10-year-olds are vulnerable...that their job as a parent isn't to be politically correct, but to smooth the bumps in the road and protect their children from possibly very unpleasant experiences. Kids do stupid things. Sometimes those stupid things have unintended consequences.
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The problem with that line of thought is you are assuming that just because someone is gay that they will automatically be up to something nefarious. That is not true, and your children have been around gay adults their whole life, and they have been around peers that are gay as well, and they present no danger just because of that fact.
 
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MaggieD said:
The logic that would tell a parent that teens sometimes do stupid things....that 10-year-olds are vulnerable...that their job as a parent isn't to be politically correct, but to smooth the bumps in the road and protect their children from possibly very unpleasant experiences. Kids do stupid things. Sometimes those stupid things have unintended consequences.
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So you don't let your kids leave the house for fear they might do something stupid?
 
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zstep18 said:
I guess we will have to disagree. Kids face peer pressure everywhere, from drugs to bullying, to do doing whatever to be popular, fitting in, etc.

In my opinion, these are more serious, and much more likely than any possible homosexual experimentation.
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That is your opinion but why add more to it with this?
 
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Navy Pride said:
I wonder how many people especially mothers instead of attacking me may have changed their mind to........Maaybe I might look bad but I just would not put my young children through it............:wink:
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I think the "key" is "openly gay." Obviously, there are homosexual children. And my son would undoubtedly be around them -- maybe daily. And I would never go out of my way to determine whether his friends are gay or not. "Openly gay" has another connotation to me. I get it, Navy. You're a good egg. *hugs*
 
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MaggieD said:
The logic that would tell a parent that teens sometimes do stupid things....that 10-year-olds are vulnerable...that their job as a parent isn't to be politically correct, but to smooth the bumps in the road and protect their children from possibly very unpleasant experiences. Kids do stupid things. Sometimes those stupid things have unintended consequences.
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I know all of that and that doesnt change my mind that theres absolutely no logic reason to be worried about kids or leaders SOLELY because they are gay.

SO again i have to ask, what am i missing.

What are these "unpleasant" experiences that you speak of and how are they dramatically increased by the presence of "gays" as supposed to their non-presence (or better yet OPEN presence)
 
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Redress said:
So you don't let your kids leave the house for fear they might do something stupid?
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I will take that one its quite a stretch from your son sleeping with openly gay boys and letting them out of the house.........Even someone as bias as you has to admit that.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Maggie it takes a lot of courage to say what you did....Thank you........Now if you could change your vote.;)
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It doesn't take courage. It takes ignorance.

It's irrational to be worried that one's heterosexual son isn't strong enough to not suck a dick if he is "pressured" to by gay boys/teens who are probably scared as hell to even come out of the closest.

Pardon my crassness.
 
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Navy Pride said:
That is your opinion but why add more to it with this?
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Well, I don't see homosexuality as a "bad thing". But, not having your child go to a camp because their happened to be someone who was gay there is crazy, especially when it's about protecting them from peer pressure. If you want to totally protect a child from peer pressure, don't put them in school, because their going to be bullied, maybe end up being a bully, tried to be talked into drugs, etc.
 
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Your Star said:
The problem with that line of thought is you are assuming that just because someone is gay that they will automatically be up to something nefarious. That is not true, and your children have been around gay adults their whole life, and they have been around peers that are gay as well, and they present no danger just because of that fact.
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No, I just know kids. Look, there are plenty of kids/young adults who are proud to wear the label of "homosexual." Many of these kids aren't. It's just cool. If there are as many homosexuals on college campuses who proudly wear the label, the human race is in big trouble. Ha! (I get this info from my nieces, by the way.) Kids have been "playing doctor" since the beginning of time. I have no problem with homosexuals. I don't think they're pedophiles. I think people that think that are stupid ****ing idiots. I have to repeat: It's not my job to be politically correct when raising my children. It's my job to do what I think is best. "Openly gay" has a connotation that makes me uncomfortable -- that's why I've posted the way I have. 13- 14- 15-year-olds who are openly gay? They make me uncomfortable. That's all. And, as a parent, that's my job.

Redress said:
So you don't let your kids leave the house for fear they might do something stupid?
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I don't even know how to respond to that.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

MaggieD said:
I think the "key" is "openly gay." Obviously, there are homosexual children. And my son would undoubtedly be around them -- maybe daily. And I would never go out of my way to determine whether his friends are gay or not. "Openly gay" has another connotation to me. I get it, Navy. You're a good egg. *hugs*
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Not only be around them but be required to sleep n the same tent with them..........Thank you Maggie as I said earlier I really enjoy your posts and value your opinion as we usually agree on things.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I will take that one its quite a stretch from your son sleeping with openly gay boys and letting them out of the house.........Even someone as bias as you has to admit that.
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A kid is far more likely to "do something stupid" in almost every other situation. If you truly do not want your kids to not do something stupid, school is out, going to the local park unsupervised is way out, playing with friends without direct supervision(actually being in the presence of the kid, not watching tv in another room), God forbid going to play at a friend's house.

The do something stupid is just an excuse for irrational emotional reaction.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
It doesn't take courage. It takes ignorance.

It's irrational to be worried that one's heterosexual son isn't strong enough to not suck a dick if he is "pressured" to by gay boys/teens who are probably scared as hell to even come out of the closest.

Pardon my crassness.
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Oh, please. This post is not ABOUT being pressured by "gay boys/teens who are scared as hell to even come out of the closet." This post is about those boys being openly gay. That, in itself, would be odd, in my opinion. But that's the poll.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

MaggieD said:
No, I just know kids. Look, there are plenty of kids/young adults who are proud to wear the label of "homosexual." Many of these kids aren't. It's just cool. If there are as many homosexuals on college campuses who proudly wear the label, the human race is in big trouble. Ha! (I get this info from my nieces, by the way.) Kids have been "playing doctor" since the beginning of time. I have no problem with homosexuals. I don't think they're pedophiles. I think people that think that are stupid ****ing idiots. I have to repeat: It's not my job to be politically correct when raising my children. It's my job to do what I think is best. "Openly gay" has a connotation that makes me uncomfortable -- that's why I've posted the way I have. 13- 14- 15-year-olds who are openly gay? They make me uncomfortable. That's all. And, as a parent, that's my job.
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Why does it make you uncomfortable? I knew I was gay when I was 14, yet I lied to myself, and hid it and it caused me a lot of grief. Being open would have been an amazing thing for me. Also, being open does not mean having that be the only part of you, or shoving it in people's face. It just means that you aren't hiding it. I don't see how that would make you uncomfortable.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
It doesn't take courage. It takes ignorance.

It's irrational to be worried that one's heterosexual son isn't strong enough to not suck a dick if he is "pressured" to by gay boys/teens who are probably scared as hell to even come out of the closest.

Pardon my crassness.
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Try to at least keep up now pay attention...........THEY ARE OUT OF THE CLOSET!!!!!!!!!!!! that is what this whole fuVking (pardon my french is about....
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

MaggieD said:
No, I just know kids. Look, there are plenty of kids/young adults who are proud to wear the label of "homosexual." Many of these kids aren't. It's just cool. If there are as many homosexuals on college campuses who proudly wear the label, the human race is in big trouble. Ha! (I get this info from my nieces, by the way.) Kids have been "playing doctor" since the beginning of time. I have no problem with homosexuals. I don't think they're pedophiles. I think people that think that are stupid ****ing idiots. I have to repeat: It's not my job to be politically correct when raising my children. It's my job to do what I think is best. "Openly gay" has a connotation that makes me uncomfortable -- that's why I've posted the way I have. 13- 14- 15-year-olds who are openly gay? They make me uncomfortable. That's all. And, as a parent, that's my job.
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Nobody's talking about political correctness. People are talking about rationality and knowledge. When you are rational about and knowledgeable of homosexuality and teen sexual experimentation, then you realize that there is nothing to "fear" about one's straight son being alone with other gay people his age simply because they are gay.

And "openly gay" doesn't have an inherent connotation. The term is used to refer to gay people who do not hide their sexuality, period. Whatever else you read into that term is your own prejudice.
 
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MaggieD said:
Oh, please. This post is not ABOUT being pressured by "gay boys/teens who are scared as hell to even come out of the closet." This post is about those boys being openly gay. That, in itself, would be odd, in my opinion. But that's the poll.
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I feel more bad about the openly gay kid who is probably going to be bullied and made fun of.
 
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Redress said:
A kid is far more likely to "do something stupid" in almost every other situation. If you truly do not want your kids to not do something stupid, school is out, going to the local park unsupervised is way out, playing with friends without direct supervision(actually being in the presence of the kid, not watching tv in another room), God forbid going to play at a friend's house.

The do something stupid is just an excuse for irrational emotional reaction.
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Maybe your kids not mine............Had 4 and never had to worry about them except maybe my sons getting hurt playing high school football
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Objective-J said:
I know all of that and that doesnt change my mind that theres absolutely no logic reason to be worried about kids or leaders SOLELY because they are gay.

SO again i have to ask, what am i missing.

What are these "unpleasant" experiences that you speak of and how are they dramatically increased by the presence of "gays" as supposed to their non-presence (or better yet OPEN presence)
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As I've said six times in this thread, the key words in the poll are "openly gay." First of all, it's odd that young kids at camp would be openly gay. Secondly, if my son is put into a position where he is manipulated to have boy-on-boy sex, you tell me: How is that different from child sexual abuse? The age of the perp?? And we, as a society, believe there is hardly a more heinous crime insofar as after-effects are concerned.
 
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