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Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?[W:57]

Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

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Navy Pride said:
My beef is men don't get a choice......They have to meet the physical standards in boot cam.....Women have a much easier physical standard to meet.
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OK a rather valid point. Now based upon that I would be supportive for a lower standard for overall military entrance, with certain ratings/billets/whatever having higher standards to enter into OR anyone who cannot meet a certain standard, is not allowed in a combat role. Very similar, but applied differently.

I'll be quite honest, I am one for allowing even handicapped individuals into the military. Granted there would be a certain limit to the roles they could fulfill, but I see no reason not to have a paraplegic as a DK or a YN or their equivalents in the other branches, with maybe limits to the CONUS bases. The military has many roles that need to be filled. Set the standards for each role and who ever can meet then can have them, regarless of any status.

Capster78 said:
No, I can call for whatever I want. Weather I get it or not is another thing. However, I believe it will always be mostly men because, as I have mentioned before, women don't want equality, they want entitlement. 50% of the frosting without having to sacrifice for it like many men do who are called up to go overseas and die. When women pull their weight and become 50% of that, then I will take them seriously when they say they want equality. So far, all I can see is them saying they want 50% of the candy but 5% of the bullets, RPG's, Mortars and IED injuries and deaths. You can't ask for 50% of all that is good without people asking you to do 50% of the work to earn it.
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Of course you can call for whatever you want. Doesn't make it any more realistic. To have 50% of the front lines be women, you would need 50% of the military to be women. If you are not calling for a forced service military then the 50% number is unrealistic.

Having equality for women doesn't mean that an equal number of women will want to fill the same roles as men, or even join the military for that matter. It means that any individual women who wants to try for the same role as a man typically get has an equal change to try and make it. And personally that means at the same standard. You are trying to look at women as a whole, or at least the is the impression you are giving. Not every man who enters into the military wants combat and will choose ratings/billets to reflect that. Look at the chefs. They are non-combatants, yet military. They are not going to be on the front lines. Sure they may have to fight if the fight comes to them, but then so will the women who are also there in the support capacity and some who have already shown that they can hold their own.

MSgt said:
It sounds more that your problem is with women.

As for equality, nothing is absolute. You will hear the word equality, but the courts will still favor a mother over a father and will still gut a man's paycheck to support her through life. Sure a women can drive a truck. Can pilot a plane. Can lead a nation. Can run a marathon. But the unspoken truth is that we are unequal. Again, I refer you to the NFL or any sport where gender is segregated. When's the last time you saw an Olympic track and field meet where the men and women raced each other? This truth about physical inequality is more than accepted. It is celebrated in our sports for the sake of sportsmanship. Would you care to see a Football game where one side was all women? Guess who would win. How would you like to see the Marines go head to head against an army of women? Unless you wish to see a slaughter, its impractical. There is a weaker sex, whether feminists admit it or not.

But let's not voice for the weakening of our infantry just because you have an ax to grind against women. Until our society places women in the NBA, NFL, MLB or NHL....what do you think people want for their infantry - Equality or strength?
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I'll put Laila Ali up against most NFL players. I'll be she can hold her own there. I'll grant you that you are right as a rule, but I've seen some of the female body builder that put professional sports players to shame. If they want to tough it out with them on the gridiron, then by all means they should be allowed. Either they can keep up or they are off the team. You can have both equality and strength as long as you count your equality by a standard (which could leave some men in the dust) and not by numbers and percents.
 
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Navy Pride said:
This is to the women who responded yes to the poll..........Do you want to or have your sisters, daughters sign up to selective service or the draft?
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I honestly don't want to see anyone I know do this.
 
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Navy Pride said:
You do know if there is a national emegency like WW1, WW2 or the Korean conflict there will be a draft right?
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I don't support a draft of any kind.
 
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kerussll said:
I honestly don't want to see anyone I know do this.
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You do realize that someone might have to right?
 
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kerussll said:
I don't support a draft of any kind.
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So what do you do if another country attacks us like Pearl Harbor and because of a president like Barrack Hussein Obama has cut the military to its bare bone and you don't have a fighting force to fight the war. Will you just surrender?
 
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Navy Pride said:
You do realize that someone might have to right?
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That was rather my point earlier. There is a difference between wanting someone to be in that situation, and being thankful that someone will step up to the role when needed. I don't want any of my loved ones, male or female, to be in a combat situation. But I would be very proud of them, male or female, should the need arise and they step up to the plate. I also want that anyone who does go to a combat situation to be qualified to be in that situation, male or female. What ever the minimum requirements for a male to be put into combat are the minimum requirements for a female to go into combat.
 
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Navy Pride said:
So what do you do if another country attacks us like Pearl Harbor and because of a president like Barrack Hussein Obama has cut the military to its bare bone and you don't have a fighting force to fight the war. Will you just surrender?
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Cut the military to its bare bone...that's funny.
 
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kerussll said:
Cut the military to its bare bone...that's funny.
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He took 600 billion from their budgets and want 600 billion more..............Here at PSNS 68 million was taken from the shipyard for maintenance and that is just the beginning....King Barrack Hussein Obama has total disdain for the military and they know it........You are blinded by your love for the King...that is the sad part.
 
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Navy Pride said:
He took 600 billion from their budgets and want 600 billion more..............Here at PSNS 68 million was taken from the shipyard for maintenance and that is just the beginning....King Barrack Hussein Obama has total disdain for the military and they know it........You are blinded by your love for the King...that is the sad part.
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Yep, clearly I'm the nutty one :D
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Yeah, I can see why I'm wasting my time here. You're so dense you don't even understand why soldiers have to carry gear, or why them being on the same level of physical fitness would be important. Not sure what kind of warfare you're imagining from your big comfy chair, but the war in afghanistan is fought in the mountains, with heavy gear.
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:roll: Dude, all you have to do is press "X" to run faster. Gah, haven't you played Modern Combat at all.?. :roll:
 
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kerussll said:
Cut the military to its bare bone...that's funny.
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how about "cut the military to the point where his own Secretary of Defense said that the cuts he was putting into place were dangerous"?
 
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cpwill said:
how about "cut the military to the point where his own Secretary of Defense said that the cuts he was putting into place were dangerous"?
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Your wasting your time CP. This guy is so inlove with King Obama that he can't see the forest for the trees.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Your wasting your time CP. This guy is so inlove with King Obama that he can't see the forest for the trees.
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Well that's why I cite Leon Panetta; whom I think everyone can generally agree has been a fairly left-of-center SECDEF (repeal of DADT, women in the infantry, etc). It's a source he can either A) find credible or B) denounce, thus splitting himself off from most Democrats. Even Obama doesn't want the military cuts to go into full effect - he would be held responsible for the results.
 
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cpwill said:
Well that's why I cite Leon Panetta; whom I think everyone can generally agree has been a fairly left-of-center SECDEF (repeal of DADT, women in the infantry, etc). It's a source he can either A) find credible or B) denounce, thus splitting himself off from most Democrats. Even Obama doesn't want the military cuts to go into full effect - he would be held responsible for the results.
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I am not to sure he cares like I said he has total disdain for the military and I believe he would love to see it third rate so he can please his arab and european friends.
 
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Politico.com:doh The Politico was so incompetent, they couldn't even run a forum. In the end there was an exodus from the Politico and many of them Politico refuges came over to DP.
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clownboy said:
Want to, no. Are willing to, yes.
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Anyone (Man or woman) who is not willing to risk (Not give up - risk.) their life in combat does not belong in the U.S. Military You don't go to war intending to give your life, you want to make those poor basteges on the other side give their lifes. But you have to be prepared to give your life in defense of the USA if that becomes necessary. Not everyone comes home alive.

Here is one line from The Code of the United States Fighting Force:
"2. Code of Conduct I a. I am an American fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.

See the entire code here: Code of the United States Fighting Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This code has changed a little since I memorized it back in 1961, mainly to make it gender neutral.

Have a good day.
 
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cpwill said:
how about "cut the military to the point where his own Secretary of Defense said that the cuts he was putting into place were dangerous"?
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That may be, but if the US would just get it's nose out of every other country's business we wouldn't need our ridiculous military budget. Our country is on the verge of bankruptcy and we need to seriously dial things back. We can't afford to be world police anymore.
 
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kerussll said:
That may be, but if the US would just get it's nose out of every other country's business we wouldn't need our ridiculous military budget. Our country is on the verge of bankruptcy and we need to seriously dial things back. We can't afford to be world police anymore.
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with rampant unemployment and all the poverty stricken people in the US, we can't afford to feed the starving masses of the world (or cure AIDS in africa) either, but you never see many people advocating to stop spending that $$$$$. They always want to come after the military.

I'd have no problem with reducing our global military footprint...IF we weren't the first ones every other country comes crying to for help whenever there is some natural disaster or crazed warlord killing them.

you can't have it both ways
 
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Navy Pride said:
In my 21 years in the military I have never heard of one person be they man or woman who wanted to serve in combat.
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That's odd. You missed some. I myself wouldn't mind being a military sniper.
 
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OscarB63 said:
with rampant unemployment and all the poverty stricken people in the US, we can't afford to feed the starving masses of the world (or cure AIDS in africa) either, but you never see many people advocating to stop spending that $$$$$. They always want to come after the military.

I'd have no problem with reducing our global military footprint...IF we weren't the first ones every other country comes crying to for help whenever there is some natural disaster or crazed warlord killing them.

you can't have it both ways
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Well if we can't afford a worthwhile cause like saving starving children, we sure as hell shouldn't be invading countries that are not a threat to us, then trying to run their government for them for years. Do you really want to argue that the amount of money we spend on relief touches the military's budget? It's no question what our biggest area of wasteful spending is. Sure, I could have it both ways if this country prioritized differently.
 
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maquiscat said:
Is there supposed to be something there beyond the poll?
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No just what DP thinks and some people and how different the 2 polls are
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

This is a very good question. Of course some women, just like some men, want to serve in combat. But historically, women have not had the choice, but now I wonder if they will have the choice in the other direction. Men can't generally choose to avoid combat, so in the future, will women have the choice or be assigned as men are to combat or non-combat roles?

Of course there is some choice for men to the extent they get to choose their MOS, but will women be able to just say, "no combat for me, thanks!"? And if that were the case, would it really be equality or just the option for women where men do not have that option?
 
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