Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?[W:57]

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Navy Pride said:

In my 21 years in the military I have never heard of one person be they man or woman who wanted to serve in combat.

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Excellent point. I think with some people and some issues, this only being one, advancing an agenda is really the objective and the supposed issue only serves as a medium.

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Smeagol said:

Excellent point. I think with some people and some issues, this only being one, advancing an agenda is really the objective and the supposed issue only serves as a medium.

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What's the agenda in regard to this issue?

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Capster78 said:

I would like to see affirmative action in the military occur. 50% of all active duty members should be female, including those on the front lines.

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Lets just stick with racial minorities and college admissions for that. I do admire your belief in affirmative action though.

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This is to the women who responded yes to the poll..........Do you want to or have your sisters, daughters sign up to selective service or the draft?

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Navy Pride said:

This is to the women who responded yes to the poll..........Do you want to or have your sisters, daughters sign up to selective service or the draft?

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Navy i dont think anyone wants to see their sisters, daughers or anyone to see combat.
Stop generalizing about women.

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kerussll said:

Well considering I don't know any men who have signed up for the draft, I'm not too worried. And why do you think it is a step in the right direction when you're against women in the military?

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You do know if there is a national emegency like WW1, WW2 or the Korean conflict there will be a draft right?

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TheDemSocialist said:

Navy i dont think anyone wants to see their sisters, daughers or anyone to see combat.
Stop generalizing about women.

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Why do I bother but you do know that under the new regs all women will have to sign up right?

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Navy Pride said:

Why do I bother but you do know that under the new regs all women will have to sign up right?

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No it does not.
Next question: Must women register for the draft? - Kate Brannen - POLITICO.com
"“Attention: Even though the secretary of defense has decided to allow women in combat jobs, the law has not been changed to include this. Consequently, only men are currently required to register by law with Selective Service during ages 18 thru 25. Women still do not register.”

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Navy Pride said:

This is to the women who responded yes to the poll..........Do you want to or have your sisters, daughters sign up to selective service or the draft?

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I responded no but I wasn't signed in apparently although it still looks like it counted my vote?

Anyway you're kind of sending mixed messages, you want women to be a part of the draft but you don't want them in combat or are you just hoping that people will change their minds when they realize that making it a requirement for women to sign up for selective service is just the next logical step in all this?

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Navy Pride said:

This is to the women who responded yes to the poll..........Do you want to or have your sisters, daughters sign up to selective service or the draft?

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I feel the same about my daughter as I do about my sons. Why would it be any different? They are all my children in equal measure.

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i have served with female MPs in a combat theater. Some were good and some were a royal pain in the ass. complained about everything. IOW..no different from the males.

IF: they can meet the same standards as the males, I have no problem with them serving in combat roles.

Where i take issue is with setting a lower standard for them to make them eligible.

Don't tell me that i have to do 50 push-ups, 50 sit-ups and run 2 miles in 16 minutes to qualify and then tell a female half my age that she only needs to do 18 push ups and run 2 miles in 24 minutes to be "equally qualified' as I am.


edit; IOW, don't put my life in danger because i may have to stop and drag her ass out of harms way because she collapsed under the weight of her gear, or because she can't drag my ass to cover if i get hit, etc.

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OscarB63 said:

i have served with female MPs in a combat theater. Some were good and some were a royal pain in the ass. complained about everything. IOW..no different from the males.

IF: they can meet the same standards as the males, I have no problem with them serving in combat roles.

Where i take issue is with setting a lower standard for them to make them eligible.

Don't tell me that i have to do 50 push-ups, 50 sit-ups and run 2 miles in 16 minutes to qualify and then tell a female half my age that she only needs to do 18 push ups and run 2 miles in 24 minutes to be "equally qualified' as I am.


edit; IOW, don't put my life in danger because i may have to stop and drag her ass out of harms way because she collapsed under the weight of her gear, or because she can't drag my ass to cover if i get hit, etc.

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How about in a tough situation in a fox hole and you are being over run by the enemy and the woman who has your back breaks down and starts crying... In a lot of cases, not all, that will happen.

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Gina said:

I feel the same about my daughter as I do about my sons. Why would it be any different? They are all my children in equal measure.

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So who should fight our wars?

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TheDemSocialist said:

No it does not.
Next question: Must women register for the draft? - Kate Brannen - POLITICO.com
"“Attention: Even though the secretary of defense has decided to allow women in combat jobs, the law has not been changed to include this. Consequently, only men are currently required to register by law with Selective Service during ages 18 thru 25. Women still do not register.”

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Your link my left wing friend is hardly and endorsement that women won't have to sign up for the draft.

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Navy Pride said:

How about in a tough situation in a fox hole and you are being over run by the enemy and the woman who has your back breaks down and starts crying... In a lot of cases, not all, that will happen.

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How in the hell do you know?

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MSgt said:

Everyone in unifom is disposable.

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And what percentage of those directly in combat, in uniform, are men? When you say, everyONE, it is almost as if you are inclusive of all genders. When in reality it is not everyone.. it is every MAN in uniform is disposable. Lets give credit where credit is due. If men are the vast majority of those who die on the battlefield, we may as well call them Men and give them that credit.

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iguanaman said:

Lets just stick with racial minorities and college admissions for that. I do admire your belief in affirmative action though.

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I don't necessarily believe in it, but our society is based upon it. No need in fighting it. We are moving in that direction weather we like it or not. So if we are going to subject society to it and move it in that direction, lets make it fair for all. As I said in another post. It is simply not fair to ask men to sacrifice themselves to allow women to reap all the rewards with no cost of life to them. While men are told to step up and serve and they die doing so, women are allowed to skip that and enjoy the fruits of those sacrifices. In a society where women are demanding 50% of the booty, they need to also be told they need to put forth 50% of the sacrifice.

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Navy Pride said:

How about in a tough situation in a fox hole and you are being over run by the enemy and the woman who has your back breaks down and starts crying... In a lot of cases, not all, that will happen.

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Hate to break it to you brother...but that could happen with a guy as well. :shrug:

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I'm just saying I saw Game of Thrones and that girl butchered those cocky dudes because they underestimated her.

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Monserrat said:

What's the agenda in regard to this issue?

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I'm of the opinion that there are some people who want to see no societal distinction between males and females whatsoever. They reject and despise any notion of "traditional roles" of males and females and are working to erase those notions in the culture through social engineering efforts that include things like influencing government policies, influencing private organization policies and vilification as bigoted and/or hate-filled of anyone who dares to express a respectful opposing view.

As a btw, I personally have the highest regard for women, after all one gave birth to me :lol:. I think women should get equal pay for equal work, have access to all of the academic and career opportunities as men and be treated fairly. At the same time I think women in society should be placed on a pedestal, cherished and protected by the men of society. I happen to think women are by and large physically weaker than men and placing them in conditions where physical strength is demanded places them at an increased risk to harm, even if being placed in those conditions is their idea and voluntary. I also think there is a "slippery slope" potential to this shift in societal norms where today what could be voluntary has the real potential of being compulsory over time. Today's physical strength standards men are required to demonstrate and the argument that any woman given a front lines deployment must meet the same requirements could eventually be lowered in order to make it easier for women to meet "the same standards as men" and possibly excused away somehow ultimately making the entire nation more vulnerable to national security threats.

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OscarB63 said:

Hate to break it to you brother...but that could happen with a guy as well. :shrug:

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It would be the exception rather the the rule with a woman I am afraid it would be the rule, sorry

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Navy Pride said:

Your link my left wing friend is hardly and endorsement that women won't have to sign up for the draft.

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So the Selective Service System posting a notice on their own website saying: ""“Attention: Even though the secretary of defense has decided to allow women in combat jobs, the law has not been changed to include this. Consequently, only men are currently required to register by law with Selective Service during ages 18 thru 25. Women still do not register.” That is "hardly an endorsement"?
Your kidding right?

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Smeagol said:

I'm of the opinion that there are some people who want to see no societal distinction between males and females whatsoever. They reject and despise any notion of "traditional roles" of males and females and are working to erase those notions in the culture through social engineering efforts that include things like influencing government policies, influencing private organization policies and vilification as bigoted and/or hate-filled of anyone who dares to express a respectful opposing view.

As a btw, I personally have the highest regard for women, after all one gave birth to me :lol:. I think women should get equal pay for equal work, have access to all of the academic and career opportunities as men and be treated fairly. At the same time I think women in society should be placed on a pedestal, cherished and protected by the men of society. I happen to think women are by and large physically weaker than men and placing them in conditions where physical strength is demanded places them at an increased risk to harm, even if being placed in those conditions is their idea and voluntary. I also think there is a "slippery slope" potential to this shift in societal norms where today what could be voluntary has the real potential of being compulsory over time. Today's physical strength standards men are required to demonstrate and the argument that any woman given a front lines deployment must meet the same requirements could eventually be lowered in order to make it easier for women to meet "the same standards as men" and possibly excused away somehow ultimately making the entire nation more vulnerable to national security threats.

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hmmmm... maybe. You're generalizing a lot, who are these people with the agendas that are influencing private organizations? Honestly I think most people in favor of allowing women in the military to take up combat roles just want everyone to have the opportunity to do what they want to do. As for the vilification of those who express an opposing view...the people who throw around the word bigot like it's their job are ridiculous. I no longer recognize the word as carrying any real meaning since people have destroyed it through the overuse and misuse, I can't even think of the last time I've seen it used properly. I don't know that it's a part of some agenda though I think sometimes they get caught up in their emotions, have a difficult time with people who don't view the world in the same way they do and they just don't think before they speak (or type).

I'm glad you have respect for women, unfortunately you're probably in the minority there. Women are physically weaker then men, it's just basic biology for our species. As far as the military goes I don't think that means you need to automatically disqualify women, just keep it equal and don't lower the standards. I was just reading an article from the end of last year where the Marines actually raised the standards for women (maybe they were starting to get prepared for this?).

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Navy Pride said:

It would be the exception rather the the rule with a woman I am afraid it would be the rule, sorry

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sorry again brother, but i have been in several IED strikes and a couple of fire fights with female MPs and they held up just as well as the guys.

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Capster78 said:

And what percentage of those directly in combat, in uniform, are men? When you say, everyONE, it is almost as if you are inclusive of all genders. When in reality it is not everyone.. it is every MAN in uniform is disposable. Lets give credit where credit is due. If men are the vast majority of those who die on the battlefield, we may as well call them Men and give them that credit.

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It is inclusive of all people in uniform. Most of the individuals who die in combat related incidences are men, but women are among them today. When politicians send other people's kids and other kids fathers to war, they are condemning many of them to death; something most of them vaguely understand. In today's warfare, this means every woman on a supply convoy and any woman on a helo crew, not just the infantry in the "front lines" where combat is imminent. When a rocket lands inside a base and kills people, women can and have been among them. Since most of the dead are men are we to pretend that women are absent so to keep massaging that fragile and frail male ego?

We are numbers on a spreadsheet. Nothing more. Percentage doesn't matter unless we wish to pound our manly chests and scoff at women for existing. Ever since "Eve ate the apple" the male ego in all cultures have designed ways to raise himself above women. Today, they can't even be counted amongst the men in combat related deaths because it somehow insults the men.