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Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?[W:57]

Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?


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Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

LOL, in the same post that you say women are too weak to carry proper gear, and should have to carry less, you go on to say that women will end up carrying the bulk of the burden.

Jesus, you're just trolling now.

I don't think she means physically.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

It is obvious soldiers carry gear and sometimes for long distances and that being the case it is equally obvious the weight of the gear will have to be reduced if women are involved.

Oh, so even by your own reckoning, the infantry will be less-equipped and less-prepared because of it. Do you suggest they carry less ammo? Less life-saving gear? What should be cut?

And then you say the only reason anyone could object to this is because men are stubborn pigs.

I simply cannot fit my mind into a point of view this comically narrow.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Let's get down to what this is REALLY about.....

Who was he?

Really. Talk about having a chip on your shoulder. :roll:
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

You wish.



I understand, no view but yours matters (to you).

The entire north of this country is used for military training and I am looking at the Trident missile base from where I sit. It is obvious soldiers carry gear and sometimes for long distances and that being the case it is equally obvious the weight of the gear will have to be reduced if women are involved. The only reason it will take time to do that is men are in control of the military and you need a jemmy to make men change anything.... "We don't like change. We just like men. Sir yes sir"...



Stick your chivalry up your arse. I work with sexist twits day and daily and they don't get away with it any more than you will. Women will go into combat if they decide to and will be effective there, as they are in the other forces. If men can do it, women will romp it and the force will improve for their presence. No doubt the women will end up carrying the bulk of the military burden as they already carry the bulk of every other job that needs properly done.

HOLDUP. you just said you work with sexist twits, then going off firing comments like "The only reason it will take time to do that is men are in control of the military and you need a jemmy to make men change anything.... "We don't like change. We just like men. Sir yes sir"..."
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Strength does not come from physical capacity. It comes from an indomitable will.

-Mahatma Gandhi


It's amazing what you can do when you are in a hostile/emergency situation.

Two separate contexts of strength.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

I will not denigrate anyone's service....My hat is off to them and I thank them for it.

THAT is an outright lie. You denigrate the service of anyone you disagree with....you have numerous posts denigrating the service of a number of different people including people on this very site. Have you forgotten that you were made to apologize to someone on this board not too long ago after you denigrated his service?
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Strength does not come from physical capacity. It comes from an indomitable will.

-Mahatma Gandhi


It's amazing what you can do when you are in a hostile/emergency situation.

And Gandhi's mountain was at least as high as this one.

LOL, in the same post that you say women are too weak to carry proper gear, and should have to carry less, you go on to say that women will end up carrying the bulk of the burden.

Jesus, you're just trolling now.

I'm "dense". What do you expect? (over your head)

While you go on and on and on with the futile, impractical and unrealistic assertion that because male proportions allow them to carry X weight, women must somehow change their physiology to be like men. Women are built differently and they are entitled to be what they are.

As to heavy lifting, based on male track records we all know how it will go. If men can get away with it, the women will eventually be dragging all of the kit while men will be standing about scratching their parts and making rude noises while talking a lot of crap about sports. I expect that's why you are so pissed that women can't carry more.

Have you lost track. We're talking about the military and women being able to pass physical fitness tests.

What is the point of you? You were talking about whether women can lift an injured soldier out of harm's way.

Are you being serious? This is getting to be so ridiculous that I can't tell anymore. Can anyone really be so dense? Yes, women can join, AS LONG AS THEY CAN PASS THE PHYSICAL FITNESS TEST. I put that in caps just for you, hoping you will be able to see it and understand it this time. They have to be able to carry their OWN gear, which ends up weighing a lot because there are a lot of things people need when they are out in the middle of nowhere. Do you understand that part? Also, if one of the bigger guys who could perhaps weigh over 250 pounds easily, goes down in a fire fight with the enemy and is in the danger zone, the women in the unit HAVE to be able to pull and/or carry this man out of danger's way. Part of being part of a unit is being able to defend, back up and rescue other people in your unit. Do you understand that?

This has been answered already. Pointless repeats are purely ignored.

Let's get down to what this is REALLY about.....

Who was he?

There's not much to choose between them, as I'm sure you know.

Oh, so even by your own reckoning, the infantry will be less-equipped and less-prepared because of it. Do you suggest they carry less ammo? Less life-saving gear?

No, try to keep up. Lighter and less are different.

What should be cut?

And then you say the only reason anyone could object to this is because men are stubborn pigs.

I simply cannot fit my mind into a point of view this comically narrow.

I'm crushed by your inability to see past the end of your nose. [/sarcasm]

Why don't you list the items in the kit you know so much about and I will help you work through them with helpful suggestions.

HOLDUP. you just said you work with sexist twits, then going off firing comments like "The only reason it will take time to do that is men are in control of the military and you need a jemmy to make men change anything.... "We don't like change. We just like men. Sir yes sir"..."

Is there a word of a lie in that comment?

Two separate contexts of strength.

I'm sure people mocked Gandhi's idea of peace v violence. The British stopped mocking though, didn't they....
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

And Gandhi's mountain was at least as high as this one.



I'm "dense". What do you expect? (over your head)

While you go on and on and on with the futile, impractical and unrealistic assertion that because male proportions allow them to carry X weight, women must somehow change their physiology to be like men. Women are built differently and they are entitled to be what they are.

As to heavy lifting, based on male track records we all know how it will go. If men can get away with it, the women will eventually be dragging all of the kit while men will be standing about scratching their parts and making rude noises while talking a lot of crap about sports. I expect that's why you are so pissed that women can't carry more.



What is the point of you? You were talking about whether women can lift an injured soldier out of harm's way.



This has been answered already. Don't waste my time with pointless repeats, they will purely be ignored.



There's not much to choose between them, as I'm sure you know.



No, try to keep up. Lighter and less are different.



I'm crushed by your inability to see past the end of your nose. [/sarcasm]

Why don't you list the items in the kit you know so much about and I will help you work through them with helpful suggestions.



Is there a word of a lie in that comment?



I'm sure people mocked Gandhi's idea of peace v violence. The British stopped mocking though, didn't they....

Wow, it sounds like you are really sexist and a man hater. I feel sorry for you.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

There's not much to choose between them, as I'm sure you know..

What? ??
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Wow, it sounds like you are really sexist and a man hater. I feel sorry for you.

I am happily married and a happy mother of a big giant son. I am also a realist.
 
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I was trying to imply they're all the same to me, but avoid being pilloried for blanket sexism. Thank you for smoking me out.:2razz:
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

No, try to keep up. Lighter and less are different..

Except they're not. What necessity would you remove from the woman's pack to make it easier for her?
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

I was trying to imply they're all the same to me, but avoid being pilloried for blanket sexism. Thank you for smoking me out.:2razz:

Well, I got that men are all the same to you as you've demonstrated here quite clearly. My question was...... where did this attitude toward men come from? Who was he?
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

No, try to keep up. Lighter and less are different.


I'm crushed by your inability to see past the end of your nose. [/sarcasm]

Why don't you list the items in the kit you know so much about and I will help you work through them with helpful suggestions.

Heh. You don't have an answer.

It's your own inconsistency and your own problem, so I'm under no obligation to help you out of it.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Except they're not. What necessity would you remove from the woman's pack to make it easier for her?

I wouldn't remove anything. I would bring in the techies and reduce the weight of everything in the pack.
 
We carry what is necessary. When I went from infantry to special ops, my pack got bigger and heavier.

When OIF started, my unit was responsible for taking the western desert. We had to pack enough food, water, ammunition, to get through to the next supply drop. We had the best gear available to the military and did not carry luxury items.

We were fortunate enough to have vehicles so humping these packs was not necessary but we always trained for it as a contingency plan.

Training marches were a 75 pound ruck ( and water was extra on top of this weight) we had a little supply guy who weighed about 130. Despite maxing his pt test these marches were an epic struggle for him. He would constantly fall down because the weight was too much for him.

Different units have different missions and physical demands.

Most of the guys in my unit looked like big country boys but we were suitably built for our mission.

My brother-in laws unit down the road LRRSD, they were younger, and generally smaller than we were and they were suitably built for their task.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

I am happily married and a happy mother of a big giant son. I am also a realist.

No, you are so FAR from realistic, you are like on another planet somewhere in outer, outer space. :lamo

The REALITY is that if women want to be in the military, they HAVE to meet certain physical standards. They HAVE to be able to carry all of their supplies, and they have to be able to move quickly and keep up while carrying those supplies. This is not about trying to "leave women out" but is about safety and life-or-death situations. You just cannot have one person that everyone else has to make allowances for in a war-time arena. Not smart.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Heh. You don't have an answer.

It's your own inconsistency and your own problem, so I'm under no obligation to help you out of it.


Again, I'm crushed.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

I was trying to imply they're all the same to me, but avoid being pilloried for blanket sexism.

So you were trying to express blanket sexism yet avoid the consequences of it. Got it.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Again, I'm crushed.

Still not an answer, just bluster.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

I am happily married and a happy mother of a big giant son. I am also a realist.

Married to a ............... man?
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

I am happily married and a happy mother of a big giant son. I am also a realist.

That's like saying some of your best friends are black, but you're a "realist." :roll:

Haters gonna hate, I guess.
 
Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

No, you are so FAR from realistic, you are like on another planet somewhere in outer, outer space. :lamo

The REALITY is that if women want to be in the military, they HAVE to meet certain physical standards. They HAVE to be able to carry all of their supplies, and they have to be able to move quickly and keep up while carrying those supplies. This is not about trying to "leave women out" but is about safety and life-or-death situations. You just cannot have one person that everyone else has to make allowances for in a war-time arena. Not smart.

This is almost all true and the reality is that although they are becoming physically bigger by generation and in the future they may be physically better equipped, at this juncture women are on the whole not physically able to fulfill that criteria. However, if all that is required to remove that obstacle is lighter kit, wtf are you on about? That is far from insurmountable. NASA is able to lighten and downsize all manner of materials to enable craft to go into space. Technology probably already exists to lighten military tools.
 
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Married to a ............... man?

Pum pum pum.....yes, just one man. He's all right though for a man, he has a brain and great big...bank balance.

Still not an answer, just bluster.
That's like saying some of your best friends are black, but you're a "realist." :roll:

Haters gonna hate, I guess.

Whatever any of that means.
 
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This thread is wearing me out and it's gone off topic. I'm away.
 
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