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Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?[W:57]

Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

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Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

ChrisL said:
She seems to think war is some kind of PC game.
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I'm sorry. I realise it's an exclusive game for boys only.
 
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ChrisL said:
Uncomfortable with? Not sure I'm understanding you.
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ie I would be uncomfortable going on patrol with a female that couldn't carry me out if I got hit.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
ie I would be uncomfortable going on patrol with a female that couldn't carry me out if I got hit.
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I don't blame you at all. I would feel the same.
 
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Viv said:
I'm sorry. I realise it's an exclusive game for boys only.
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I cannot believe you actually called it a game. You really don't realize the seriousness do you?
 
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Viv said:
It is dumb to be unrealistic and refuse to accept facts. These people want to serve and they are able to serve with some adjustments in line with gender. Gender can't be changed. The weight of your kit can.



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So I ask again... what are you going to carry less of?

Ammo?
Food/water?
Body armor?


Where will you reduce the weight that will not also reduce your combat effectiveness or leave you short of some piece of vital gear?

Those soldiers don't hump all that stuff for the fun of it. They hump it because they might not survive or complete their mission without it.
 
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Viv said:
Test women to female physical fitness levels and equip them appropriately. Remove the sexist handicap.

The physical fitness tests are set up for male abilities. I wonder how males were built a century ago...things change. People are taller and stronger than they used to be and physical ability may have a sliding scale according to need. However...

Women are not male. That is a fact. Therefore it is discriminatory (and pointless) to test them on the same basis as males. The majority will be physically unable to do what males do. However, if they can still do much what males do on the field of battle, they can serve. This is reality. It's utter nonsense to expect women to be as physically strong as men and it's more nonsense to exclude them from combat for that reason alone.
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If you can't handle your weight and Ranger up, I don't want you on my patrol risking the lives of my men. You can ride a radio back in the TOC. I give a **** less about you feeling like you're being discriminated against. In combat nobody ****ing cares, they just want the infantryman next to them to be a bad mother ****er who's got their backs. This is something you will NEVER understand.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
If you can't handle your weight and Ranger up, I don't want you on my patrol risking the lives of my men. You can ride a radio back in the TOC. I give a **** less about you feeling like you're being discriminated against. In combat nobody ****ing cares, they just want the infantryman next to them to be a bad mother ****er who's got their backs. This is something you will NEVER understand.
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The sad part is bro, that we (combat leaders) will find a way around having to have females on patrol with us. We'll have to. We'll stick them on radio watch or in a tower somewhere on post. They'll never go outside the wire, they'll never feel the pain, the guys will have to patrol more due to this, and they'll come back to the adulation of "See, look, a female can do it!!!" No one will ever say that they had to rearrange their entire patrol schedule around them. No one will ever talk about the female the gets knocked up and has to be sent home with no replacement. They won't do that. And if you or I did, we would be muzzled real quick. This thing will be deemed a success before we know it and no one will ever man up and say "No, it doesn't work. Here's why...." None of our leaders will ever conjure up the courage to go against the grain and say what's really happening on the ground. Why? Because they'll be passed over for key spots just like General James Mattis was for us.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
The sad part is bro, that we (combat leaders) will find a way around having to have females on patrol with us. We'll have to. We'll stick them on radio watch or in a tower somewhere on post. They'll never go outside the wire, they'll never feel the pain, the guys will have to patrol more due to this, and they'll come back to the adulation of "See, look, a female can do it!!!" No one will ever say that they had to rearrange their entire patrol schedule around them. No one will ever talk about the female the gets knocked up and has to be sent home with no replacement. They won't do that. And if you or I did, we would be muzzled real quick. This thing will be deemed a success before we know it and no one will ever man up and say "No, it doesn't work. Here's why...." None of our leaders will ever conjure up the courage to go against the grain and say what's really happening on the ground. Why? Because they'll be passed over for key spots just like General James Mattis was for us.
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Absolutely. My entire mentality going into my afghan deployment was "If my men are in danger, **** this mission, **** this deployment, **** the regulations, and **** anybody's hurt ****ing feelings. I give a flying squirrel's ass about any of it. I want me and the men next to me to come home to our families."
 
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ChrisL said:
This is not a game. This is serious stuff. If you can't carry your own weight and perhaps even the weight of another, then you are not only putting yourself at risk, but every other person in your unit. I don't see why people can't understand that.
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I don't see why you can't understand women Police exist in the world. And even, can you believe it, firefighters. Some women are even capable of restraining full grown males, should the need arise and dragging them about the floor when they are resisting arrest. Nurses manhandle patients every day of the week. Now get over my shoulder, you dead weight.

ecofarm said:
Wait a minute. I want easier tests and lighter gear too. Why should I not get what they get?
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I agree, you should have those things if you want them, dear. It's just you have a different kind of body from a girl and it isn't really the same.

However, you have touched on a point the others missed. If the kit is made lighter for women, there is no reason your life shouldn't improve also by virtue of lighter kit.

Josie said:
The problem here is you're more concerned about women's lib than national security.
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It works better if I post my opinion and you post yours.

Goshin said:
Viv doesn't get it because, to Viv, asking a woman to carry the same gear that any other grunt carries is "sexist"... and apparently she doesn't care that a lighter load for women soldiers would mean a SERIOUS HANDICAP in combat, like less ammo, or less food and water, or someone else having to carry her slack.

She doesn't want to get it because to her it is about alleged sexism, rather than combat readiness.


Which is ridiculous beyond all explanation, because MEN who cannot meet the physical requirements for specific combat units can't be in those units either!
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Don't worry about it, even the men can have the benefit of lighter kit. Perhaps then the old boys will be able to cope with their duties and stop panicking about the huge threat of female soldiers.

MarineTpartier said:
This isn't equality though. I feel discriminated against. I want to be able to get 100 points on my PFT for 8 pull ups like the chicks do.
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Don't be such a girls blouse. You have a different body (presumably...)

Josie said:
I thought feminists were about LESS violence for women? Now they want them to go into combat under-trained and unprepared?
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That's all in your head again. Being better prepared, more confident, more flexible and more mobile, isn't the same as being unprepared.

ChrisL said:
She seems to think war is some kind of PC game.
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War is directed by political will. Political will at the moment is moving toward female soldiers in combat.

Josie said:
Then why do you keep saying you want different standards for women?
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Women and men are different, but women can serve very well. There is no point in excluding them over the weight of a rucksack.

ChrisL said:
I cannot believe you actually called it a game. You really don't realize the seriousness do you?
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:2wave:
Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
She seems to think war is some kind of PC game
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Viv, your ability to ignore reality is truly amazing... pity we can't bottle that and sell it.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
If you can't handle your weight and Ranger up, I don't want you on my patrol risking the lives of my men. You can ride a radio back in the TOC. I give a **** less about you feeling like you're being discriminated against. In combat nobody ****ing cares, they just want the infantryman next to them to be a bad mother ****er who's got their backs. This is something you will NEVER understand.
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No, nobody cares what you think. Political will is moving toward this. You will be required to change.
 
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Goshin said:
Viv, your ability to ignore reality is truly amazing... pity we can't bottle that and sell it.
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I just tell the truth.
 
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Viv said:
I just tell the truth.
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So your answer to this is....................

Goshin said:
So I ask again... what are you going to carry less of?

Ammo?
Food/water?
Body armor?


Where will you reduce the weight that will not also reduce your combat effectiveness or leave you short of some piece of vital gear?

Those soldiers don't hump all that stuff for the fun of it. They hump it because they might not survive or complete their mission without it.
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Viv said:
No, nobody cares what you think. Political will is moving toward this. You will be required to change.
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Yeah, the **** they do. You've come out and said that you think women, no matter how pathetic and weak they are, should be part of combat arms. I simply believe that they should pass the same standards as men, because bullets don't give a flying **** what you are. The only thing that matters is how you can perform in combat.

I don't expect a scott, much less a female, to understand this. When's the last time your ass has been in combat?
 
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Josie said:
So your answer to this is....................
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In a previous post.

Do you have any points of your own to make?

RabidAlpaca said:
Yeah, the **** they do. You've come out and said that you think women, no matter how pathetic and weak they are, should be part of combat arms.
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Perhaps you could post that quote? It doesn't exist.

I simply believe that they should pass the same standards as men, because bullets don't give a flying **** what you are. The only thing that matters is how you can perform in combat.
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And how do women perform in combat? The thread seems to be about whether women will ever be in combat. You have no idea how they would perform and do you think the weight of their kit should be the deciding factor?

I don't expect a scott, much less a female, to understand this. When's the last time your ass has been in combat?
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Scot has one T btw. Which superior male military strategy is schoolboy personal attack? I'm just a weak woman, you know and can't be expected to understand how that works.

It is true that not everyone can be a grunt or an alpaca engineer and of course not everyone wants to be. It is also true that the people who direct the senior managers of grunts, are rarely grunts themselves. Therefore it doesn't really matter a f*** what my experience is. But some of us have kicked through sexist ceilings in our day regardless and are able to tell you whatever you and the other old boys think is irrelevant. If women want to go into combat, they will. You will have to like it.
 
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Viv said:
In a previous post.
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I must have missed your answer. Please quote it so I can read it.

Viv said:
Do you have any points of your own to make?
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Several....many of which you've commented on.
 
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If it's a matter of a woman replacing a man I'm against it. If it's a matter of "woman or nobody", hell yeah - throw them in the fray.

Hell, part of me thinks that we should just get a small pack of women who are fully combat trained, put them together long enough that their cycles sync up, wait for them to PMS, and just drop them behind enemy lines and watch them kick and scratch their way to victory.

They'd probably see a pack of men and be thirstier for blood than the worst Viet Congs.
 
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Josie said:
I must have missed your answer. Please quote it so I can read it.
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Please do your own work. I posted it already. If you want it, go and look for it.

Several....many of which you've commented on.
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Not really, as those I remember (admittedly I haven't been paying any attention) you seem to be misquoting or attempting to put inaccurate words in the mouth of others. I don't respond or defend points I haven't made, so feel free to bugger off or even post your own opinion about the OP.

Gipper said:
If it's a matter of a woman replacing a man I'm against it. If it's a matter of "woman or nobody", hell yeah - throw them in the fray.

Hell, part of me thinks that we should just get a small pack of women who are fully combat trained, put them together long enough that their cycles sync up, wait for them to PMS, and just drop them behind enemy lines and watch them kick and scratch their way to victory.

They'd probably see a pack of men and be thirstier for blood than the worst Viet Congs.
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Spits coffee...
 
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Viv said:
Perhaps you could post that quote? It doesn't exist.
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I luckily don't even need a quote, I can just refer to this post here:


Viv said:
And how do women perform in combat? The thread seems to be about whether women will ever be in combat. You have no idea how they would perform and do you think the weight of their kit should be the deciding factor?
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The weight of their kit is one of many deciding factors. We don't carry heavy ass **** for no ****ing reason. We do it because it's ammo, medical supplies, food, water, radios, batteries, and other mission essential gear. If they can't carry the 100+ lbs on their backs and still move out at the same speed on a patrol through the mountains, then they have no reason to be there, because they are a danger to everyone.


Viv said:
Scot has one T btw. Which superior male military strategy is schoolboy personal attack? I'm just a weak woman, you know and can't be expected to understand how that works.

It is true that not everyone can be a grunt or an alpaca engineer and of course not everyone wants to be. It is also true that the people who direct the senior managers of grunts, are rarely grunts themselves. Therefore it doesn't really matter a f*** what my experience is. But some of us have kicked through sexist ceilings in our day regardless and are able to tell you whatever you and the other old boys think is irrelevant. If women want to go into combat, they will. You will have to like it.
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The fact is, you have zero experience in combat, and are simply arguing from a philosophical perspective. Yeah, I agree, women are equals intellectually and legally, but even as you admitted, they are NOT equal physically. I have no problem with women who can fit the same standards as the grunts. I do have a problem with people like you trying to drag down the standards to fit the weak.
 
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Viv said:
Please do your own work. I posted it already. If you want it, go and look for it.
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In other words, "I don't know how to answer it so I'll just pretend like I answered it and ignore you!"
 
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Josie said:
In other words, "I don't know how to answer it so I'll just pretend like I answered it and ignore you!"
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See? Josie and Viv are proving that women belong in combat. Look at the slapping and hair-pulling here.
 
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Gipper said:
See? Josie and Viv are proving that women belong in combat. Look at the slapping and hair-pulling here.
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Nah, I'm not a physical fighter. Women mostly just bite at each other with words.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
I luckily don't even need a quote, I can just refer to this post here:

The weight of their kit is one of many deciding factors. We don't carry heavy ass **** for no ****ing reason. We do it because it's ammo, medical supplies, food, water, radios, batteries, and other mission essential gear. If they can't carry the 100+ lbs on their backs and still move out at the same speed on a patrol through the mountains, then they have no reason to be there, because they are a danger to everyone.
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You must have somehow overlooked the many posts relating to the revolutionary concept of reducing the weight of the kit. It's been done to death.

The fact is, you have zero experience in combat, and are simply arguing from a philosophical perspective. Yeah, I agree, women are equals intellectually and legally, but even as you admitted, they are NOT equal physically. I have no problem with women who can fit the same standards as the grunts. I do have a problem with people like you trying to drag down the standards to fit the weak.
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Don't worry, guns make everything gender equal anyway (according to some characters who post here).

It is not an admission. There is nothing wrong with the level of fitness women attain. It is simply a different level from men. US women are often giants, like Euros standing on a box. Possibly fitter and stronger than some foreign national male adversaries.
 
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Gipper said:
See? Josie and Viv are proving that women belong in combat. Look at the slapping and hair-pulling here.
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Not all women fight by pulling hair and scratching. Some have been trained to fight just like a man.

Take kick boxing, for example.
 
Re: Do yeally think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?[W:57]

I did have a lot of experience fighting my brother growing up. I learned that I'm strongest when I can use my legs to bring his chubby body down.
 
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