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Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?[W:57]

Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

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APACHERAT said:
I served. I enlisted in the Marine Corps in Dec. of 68. Went to boot camp in Jan. of 69. Got my WEST-PAC orders and was "in-country" from June 69 - July 70.

I enlisted not because I wanted to go to Nam. It was duty to country why I enlisted. Most of us back then served because of duty to country and it was expected of us. I think because most our fathers served during W W ll played a significant part when it came to duty to country.

Did I really want to go to Vietnam ? No. I would have been just as happy serving on a 8" gun cruiser as part of the Marine Detachment or serving my entire tour of duty at Camp Pendleton.

I knew many who wanted to go to Nam but they started having second thoughts once they boarded that Continental Airlines flight headed for Okinawa. From their it was a Cathay Pacific flight to Da Nang. It was a loney war because most of us didn't go over as a unit but as replac ements for those who tour of duty was up. Nobody wanted to get to close to the FNG. I would discover why, if you look at the Wall with all of the names you'll notice that the vast majority who paid the ultimate sacefice were killed with in the first three months of being in-country.

Once you were in-country you had a mission and you did it but it was no longer duty to country but survival. And you learned real quick you couldn't survive on your own. You were dependent on the guys in your team or squad. They watched your six and you watched their six. I survived.

If I would have to do it over again and even knowing what the outcome of the was was going to be, yes.

I grew up in a all Democrat home. I probably looked at my self as being a Democrat when I enlisted even though I was A-political back then. But by the time I got on the freedom bird I was a Republican. I looked at who got us involved in Vietnam, and saw they were the same people who backed stabbed us while we were on the battlefields of Vietnam. By the late 70's I was a conservative.

Women serving in combat would be a huge distraction. You have a mission to accomplish while at the same time trying to survive and watching your buddies six. I think I would end up paying to much attention of watching the six (no pun intended) of a female Marine or soldier and let up on watching my own six.
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Great post. Thank you for your service! If I could "like" it more than once then I surely would have.
 
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Boo Radley said:
What if they can do the same job, more efficiently, without needing he strength?
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In my time with the 82nd infantry, despite brutal training and a propensity to consume anything the chow hall could throw at me, I never had excess strength. Strength was required from suiting up on green ramp, to stumbling to the bird, to standing in the bird and jumping up and out 1m, to the mission itself (I often jumped with a m249/saw and/or a radio)... strength, serious strength, was needed every step of the way.

I simply cannot imagine airborne infantry operations not requiring strength that each of us occasionally wondered if we had.

Do you have a cyborg suit you're not telling us about?
 
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Well, if they can pass the physical strength testing (without handicaps of course), same as the guys, then I don't see why a woman shouldn't be able to. I know that's probably rare, but there ARE a few women out there that could.
 
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ecofarm said:
In my time with the 82nd infantry, despite brutal training and a propensity to consume anything the chow hall could throw at me, I never had excess strength. Strength was required from suiting up on green ramp, to stumbling to the bird, to standing in the bird and jumping up and out 1m, to the mission itself (I often jumped with a m249/saw and/or a radio)... strength, serious strength, was needed every step of the way.

I simply cannot imagine airborne infantry operations not requiring strength that each of us occasionally wondered if we had.

Do you have a cyborg suit you're not telling us about?
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Tut..you men always going on about your national service..ever asked a woman what she did in the war??
 
I could not disagree with you guys more when it comes to standards of strength and endurance.

The battlefield is not the right place to find out someone can't hack it. When I'm getting shot at, I want to know that my battle buddies on both sides can pull their weight.

If "how much spirit or cunning they have" was all that mattered why don't we have midget Delta Force teams?

I have already stated that I don't have a problem with them getting into these mos if they can meet all of the standards, but they haven't even started to integrate and we already have people saying if they can't meet the standard we will simply change/lower it.

Sure training helps but physical ability matters as well. No amount of training would ever allow me to be a competitive pro basketball player, I accept that.
 
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wolfie said:
ever asked a woman what she did in the war??
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Yes.




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wolfie said:
So you think that WAR is about brute force???
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Do you make baseless assumptions often? Strawman much?


One of my past-times is the study of military history, tactics and strategy. Anyone who has studied this stuff to any degree could not possibly be as ignorant as you are postulating.

War is about many things. Politics, diplomacy, economics, logistics, transport, communications, intel, strategy, organization, discipline, training, weapons, tactics, morale, medical assets, and more.

When you get down to the level that infantry combat units operate on in actual combat, the primary components are tactics and who can shoot, move and communicate better.

Now, according to some of my younger current-service friends who have spent much of the past decade in combat in the Middle East, the average grunt is often humping around 100 pounds of gear in the field. That includes weapons and ammo, survival gear, food, water, commo, body armor, helmet, NVG, MOPP or CBN gear, and more.

Now, if you'd like to tell me that humping 100 pounds of gear on your body is NOT a strenuous physical task, be my guest. If you'd like to tell me that running around and diving for cover while wearing all that gear isn't a lot about brute force, please do.

Again, as I've said several times, any woman that CAN do this is perfectly welcome to fight in a combat unit as far as I'm concerned... but pretending physicality isn't a factor is ridiculous.
 
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Goshin said:
Do you make baseless assumptions often? Strawman much?


One of my past-times is the study of military history, tactics and strategy. Anyone who has studied this stuff to any degree could not possibly be as ignorant as you are postulating.

War is about many things. Politics, diplomacy, economics, logistics, transport, communications, intel, strategy, organization, discipline, training, weapons, tactics, morale, medical assets, and more.

When you get down to the level that infantry combat units operate on in actual combat, the primary components are tactics and who can shoot, move and communicate better.

Now, according to some of my younger current-service friends who have spent much of the past decade in combat in the Middle East, the average grunt is often humping around 100 pounds of gear in the field. That includes weapons and ammo, survival gear, food, water, commo, body armor, helmet, NVG, MOPP or CBN gear, and more.

Now, if you'd like to tell me that humping 100 pounds of gear on your body is NOT a strenuous physical task, be my guest. If you'd like to tell me that running around and diving for cover while wearing all that gear isn't a lot about brute force, please do.

Again, as I've said several times, any woman that CAN do this is perfectly welcome to fight in a combat unit as far as I'm concerned... but pretending physicality isn't a factor is ridiculous.
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I probably would barely be able to remain standing up. :lol: Don't worry, I've got NO plans to be in the military.
 
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Goshin said:
Do you make baseless assumptions often? Strawman much?


One of my past-times is the study of military history, tactics and strategy. Anyone who has studied this stuff to any degree could not possibly be as ignorant as you are postulating.

War is about many things. Politics, diplomacy, economics, logistics, transport, communications, intel, strategy, organization, discipline, training, weapons, tactics, morale, medical assets, and more.

When you get down to the level that infantry combat units operate on in actual combat, the primary components are tactics and who can shoot, move and communicate better.

Now, according to some of my younger current-service friends who have spent much of the past decade in combat in the Middle East, the average grunt is often humping around 100 pounds of gear in the field. That includes weapons and ammo, survival gear, food, water, commo, body armor, helmet, NVG, MOPP or CBN gear, and more.

Now, if you'd like to tell me that humping 100 pounds of gear on your body is NOT a strenuous physical task, be my guest. If you'd like to tell me that running around and diving for cover while wearing all that gear isn't a lot about brute force, please do.

Again, as I've said several times, any woman that CAN do this is perfectly welcome to fight in a combat unit as far as I'm concerned... but pretending physicality isn't a factor is ridiculous.
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I know what war is about..silly boy..you have no idea where I have been do you ??

Or what I have done..who I have fought..

Nothing...
 
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wolfie said:
I know what war is about..silly boy..you have no idea where I have been do you ??

Or what I have done..who I have fought..

Nothing...
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Oooo. Do tell. :)
 
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ChrisL said:
Oooo. Do tell. :)
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Maybe not..I am sure the other ''military'' guys will understand..
 
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ChrisL said:
I probably would barely be able to remain standing up. :lol: Don't worry, I've got NO plans to be in the military.
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I could have done it at 24, but I couldn't do it now at 47. A person has to know their limitations.

I'm smart, quick, tough, keep my head when things are going to **** around me, and I'm a damn good shot with any firearm. Nonetheless I'm no longer fit for service in an infantry combat unit, because I could not hump all that gear and keep up and still have anything left when we got to the fight.

Not everyone can do that stuff even at 24. Not all young men can. If some young tough women can hack it, more power to them... but it just blows my mind when someone tries to pretend strength and endurance are not relevant. They must never have seen a soldier in full battle-rattle is all I can assume, let alone tried to actually move around wearing all that gear.
 
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wolfie said:
Maybe not..I am sure the other ''military'' guys will understand..
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Why? Will you have to kill me? :shock:
 
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wolfie said:
I know what war is about..silly boy..you have no idea where I have been do you ??

Or what I have done..who I have fought..

Nothing...
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Ma'am, I'd thank you kindly not to refer to me as a "boy". I'm probably older than you.

No, I don't know where you've been or who you've fought, as I am not a mind-reader. Perhaps you'd like to tell us; or not, I don't really care.

In any case I'd have to assume you have never been an infantry soldier, or you'd know that strength, endurance and physicality are very important to those serving in that capacity.
 
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Goshin said:
I could have done it at 24, but I couldn't do it now at 47. A person has to know their limitations.

I'm smart, quick, tough, keep my head when things are going to **** around me, and I'm a damn good shot with any firearm. Nonetheless I'm no longer fit for service in an infantry combat unit, because I could not hump all that gear and keep up and still have anything left when we got to the fight.

Not everyone can do that stuff even at 24. Not all young men can. If some young tough women can hack it, more power to them... but it just blows my mind when someone tries to pretend strength and endurance are not relevant. They must never have seen a soldier in full battle-rattle is all I can assume, let alone tried to actually move around wearing all that gear.
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I mostly think about them trying to drag or carry another full grown adult male who is injured out of the path of danger, and now that I know they wear all that gear, I know it's even harder than I thought.
 
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Goshin said:
Ma'am, I'd thank you kindly not to refer to me as a "boy". I'm probably older than you.

No, I don't know where you've been or who you've fought, as I am not a mind-reader. Perhaps you'd like to tell us; or not, I don't really care.

In any case I'd have to assume you have never been an infantry soldier, or you'd know that strength, endurance and physicality are very important to those serving in that capacity.
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No..sorry..I have never been an infantry soldier..but I was good at what I did..
 
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wolfie said:
No..sorry..I have never been an infantry soldier..but I was good at what I did..
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Very good. I was good at what I did also, which was law enforcement.

Neither of us was a grunt, though, so I have to go by what I've read about modern infantry requirements, and what I've been told by friends who are current-service grunts: that would be that yes, there is a lot of physicality involved, and a lot of strength and endurance required to be mobile/hostile/agile while loaded down with all that gear and doing it in harsh terrain.

I'm not saying women can't do it; I imagine some probably can. I'm just saying that strength and endurance are very important for an infantry soldier, and I am baffled that some people seem to take this statement as some kind of insult to womanhood.
 
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Goshin said:
Very good. I was good at what I did also, which was law enforcement.

Neither of us was a grunt, though, so I have to go by what I've read about modern infantry requirements, and what I've been told by friends who are current-service grunts: that would be that yes, there is a lot of physicality involved, and a lot of strength and endurance required to be mobile/hostile/agile while loaded down with all that gear and doing it in harsh terrain.

I'm not saying women can't do it; I imagine some probably can. I'm just saying that strength and endurance are very important for an infantry soldier, and I am baffled that some people seem to take this statement as some kind of insult to womanhood.
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Of course women cannot dig holes or trenches..or fight a man..It would be stupid of me to say they could..

But they make excellent snipers..
 
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wolfie said:
Of course women cannot dig holes or trenches..or fight a man..It would be stupid of me to say they could..
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Well, generally anyway. This woman probably wouldn't have any problems though. :shock:

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ChrisL said:
Well, generally anyway. This woman probably wouldn't have any problems though. :shock:

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She may have a problem when her steroids are no longer available...
 
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wolfie said:
She may have a problem when her steroids are no longer available...
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:lamo True.
 
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Medusa said:
she doesnt look like a woman :lol:
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I don't know why any woman would want to look like that. It's just scary and gross IMO.
 
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wolfie said:
Of course women cannot dig holes or trenches..or fight a man..It would be stupid of me to say they could..

But they make excellent snipers..
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Perhaps... I'd have to refer that question to a buddy of mine who was a Marine Corps sniper, I don't feel qualified to speculate on whether sniper would better suit women than 11Bravo.
 
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ChrisL said:
I don't know why any woman would want to look like that. It's just scary and gross IMO.
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l dont know either . some women misunderstand the concept of equality
 
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