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Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

Do we need anti-discrimination laws?

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Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

Henrin said:
1.)I already did by explaining what property rights detail.



The question is asked from a weird and incorrect angle and therefore there is no accurate way to answer it.
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1.) which was your OPINION of how you WANT things to work or WISH they did, you didnt factually prove anything
2.) this is also untrue, there are two accurate ways, saying yes or no, you can continue to dodge them if you like but nothing changes

the question is not only actual but its 100% reality based

Let me know when you are ready to stop dodging the question, be honest and just directly answer it
Do you want someone to have the ablity to fire your wife, daughter, niece, sister simply because they wont give them oral sex? yes or no
 
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Henrin said:
Tell me, how do you protect property when you don't allow control of the property in either access, use, or sale? Any answers?

It would seem to me you are only protecting the claim, but taking all power that goes with property that was meant to be protected away from it. Ownership is about power. Yeah, I said it. Its about power and control. Whoever has the power and the control owns whatever it might be.

Legal claims of property might say otherwise, but its clear the power of ownership is stripped with these laws. Claims to property you don't control is just an empty declaration. Turning property into merely possession is not what "property rights" is all about, sorry.
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And that's a lovely set of ideology you're espousing, but none of it is fact. It's just an opinion. An opinon that is, as I've pointed out, entirely at odds with our legal system. That's a fact.
 
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Aderleth said:
And that's a lovely set of ideology you're espousing, but none of it is fact. It's just an opinion. An opinon that is, as I've pointed out, entirely at odds with our legal system. That's a fact.
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this fact will be ignored everytime and thats what makes it so funny, its why i enjoy pushing the issue so much :)
 
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Objective-J said:
1.) which was your OPINION of how you WANT things to work or WISH they did, you didnt factually prove anything
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I'm confident I understand property rights better than you.

2.) this is also untrue, there are two accurate ways, saying yes or no, you can continue to dodge them if you like but nothing changes

the question is not only actual but its 100% reality based

Let me know when you are ready to stop dodging the question, be honest and just directly answer it
Do you want someone to have the ablity to fire your wife, daughter, niece, sister simply because they wont give them oral sex? yes or no
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I stand by my assessment of the question. It's just weird and inaccurate. I won't humor a question that is based on a bad premise.

Btw, I'm done with this talk. Nothing is coming out of it anymore except an increase in post cost.
 
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Aderleth said:
And that's a lovely set of ideology you're espousing, but none of it is fact. It's just an opinion. An opinon that is, as I've pointed out, entirely at odds with our legal system. That's a fact.
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Do you wish to explain to me how property works? How control of property works? I'm well aware the laws disagree with me, but then, that is my reason for being in this thread.
 
Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

Henrin said:
Do you wish to explain to me how property works? How control of property works? I'm well aware the laws disagree with me, but then, that is my reason for being in this thread.
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Nope. I'd be happy to explain how the CRA is constitutional if you like. Or I could just point you towards the caselaw and you can read about it yourself.
 
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Objective-J said:
this fact will be ignored everytime and thats what makes it so funny, its why i enjoy pushing the issue so much :)
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It's always nice to have nothing behind you except injustice and a right violation.
 
Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

Henrin said:
I'm confident I understand property rights better than you.



I stand by my assessment of the question. It's just weird and inaccurate. I won't humor a question that is based on a bad premise.

Btw, I'm done with this talk. Nothing is coming out of it anymore except an increase in post cost.
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1.) yet facts disagree with you and you havent been able to show and facts to prove otherwise
2.) stand by what ever you want just another thing you are gettign wrong LOL its factual and reality based, and im guessing you want that

but i think its a good move for you run away since facts defeated you, you are dodging questions and being dishonest

see you next time i need entertainment
 
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Aderleth said:
Nope. I'd be happy to explain how the CRA is constitutional if you like. Or I could just point you towards the caselaw and you can read about it yourself.
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I already know the reasons people claim and I'm not interested in that.
 
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Henrin said:
It's always nice to have nothing behind you except injustice and a right violation.
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thats what YOU want, luckily Americas JUSTICE system doesnt allow it :)

like me, it cares about its fellow americans rights, in this case you do not
 
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Objective-J said:
thats what YOU want, luckily americas JUSTICE system doesnt allow it :)
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Is that the best you got? Sad.

like me it cares about its fellow americans rights, in this case you don not
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What?
 
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Black Manta said:
And how do you know this oh master of mind reading? Actually I do as I said in debate's with others. :roll:
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Laughing, your attempt at a fig leave while posting into the 'blanket statement' against 'conservatives' doesn't cut it. It sounds an awful lot like, 'some of my best friends are...gay/black/women...etc'

"I have to commented, plenty of times...'

You saw a chance to do the 'how unfair' dance so you leaned out a bit too far.

Now if he had said 'All you idiot right wingers engage in....'

But the poo is a classic example of twisted radical right 'thinking'. But example doesn't mean every right winger thinks it.

you just jumped.... but it is all good. lots of jumpers in here....
 
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notquiteright said:
Laughing, your attempt at a fig leave while posting into the 'blanket statement' against 'conservatives' doesn't cut it. It sounds an awful lot like, 'some of my best friends are...gay/black/women...etc'

"I have to commented, plenty of times...'

You saw a chance to do the 'how unfair' dance so you leaned out a bit too far.

Now if he had said 'All you idiot right wingers engage in....'

But the poo is a classic example of twisted radical right 'thinking'. But example doesn't mean every right winger thinks it.

you just jumped.... but it is all good. lots of jumpers in here....
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Actually no. It is a justified comparison you partisan hack.

I am done with you as you are dishonest and pretty much worthless.
 
Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

Henrin said:
1.)Is that the best you got? Sad.



What?
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1.) yep alli need because as usual you always lose to facts
2.) thats what YOU want, luckily Americas JUSTICE system doesnt allow it.

like me, it cares about its fellow americans rights, in this case you do not

thought you were "done" posting LOL
 
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Objective-J said:
1.) yep alli need because as usual you always lose to facts
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What facts did you present?

2.) thats what YOU want, luckily Americas JUSTICE system doesnt allow it.

like me, it cares about its fellow americans rights, in this case you do not
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Except there is no rights in question to care about for these people. They have no right to have access, to use, or buy anything.

thought you were "done" posting LOL
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This is a different series of posts.
 
Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

Black Manta said:
That is an unfair blanket statement about as diverse group of people. It sounds as stupid as people saying "the left."
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No, it is a well-documented fact that the right is, as a group, overwhelmingly opposed to laws that prohibit discrimination
 
Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

Henrin said:
1.)What facts did you present?



Except there is no rights in question to care about for these people. They have no right to have access, to use, or buy anything.



3.) This is a different series of posts.
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YOU BACK AGAIN!? lol
1.) that the american justice system doesnt care about your opinion and that your opinion is only that
2.) false, facts disagree with you
3.) nope, its the same, you pushing your opinions and what you want to be true as facts and you losing to the real facts
 
Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

sangha said:
No, it is a well-documented fact that the right is, as a group, overwhelmingly opposed to laws that prohibit discrimination
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You definitely put the "HA" back in Sangha. Do you have any documentation for that particular well documented fact?
 
Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

Objective-J said:
YOU BACK AGAIN!? lol
1.) that your rights end at infringing on others and that what you called fact was only opinion
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Except only one party has a right to access, use, and deciding sale of property. The other party lacks all of these things and when you force yourself onto the property you are in fact infringing on their rights. You still have it backwards it seems.

2.) false, facts disagree with you
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Nope, afraid not.

3.) nope, its the same, you pushing your opinions and what you want to be true as facts and you losing to the real facts
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:roll: Sigh..
 
Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

Black Manta said:
Yes it was no matter how you try to slice it. :roll:
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Here is what I said:
sangha said:
A sterling example of the rights' delusional thought process - We need to repeal laws against discrimination so businesses that don't discriminate can continue not discriminating
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Since I don't say that every rightwinger thinks like this, or even most rightwingers, please explain why you believe that this was a "blanket" statement that covers every rightwinger?
 
Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

Henrin said:
Except only one party has a right to access, use, and deciding sale of property. The other party lacks all of these things and when you force yourself onto the property you are in fact infringing on their rights. You still have it backwards it seems.
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So do you believe an employer has the right to fire an employee (male or female, including yourself, your wife, daughter, etc) because the employee refuse to give the boss a BJ?
 
Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

sangha said:
So do you believe an employer has the right to fire an employee (male or female, including yourself, your wife, daughter, etc) because the employee refuse to give the boss a BJ?
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Yes.

See O-J, all you had to do was ask the question like this and I would have answered.
 
Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

Aderleth said:
Nope. I'd be happy to explain how the CRA is constitutional if you like. Or I could just point you towards the caselaw and you can read about it yourself.
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Somehow, I think the words "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes" are going to be abused...
 
Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

Henrin said:
Yes.

See O-J, all you had to do was ask the question like this and I would have answered.
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Your response to O-J was cowardly and disingenous. His intent was clear.
 
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sangha said:
Your response to O-J was cowardly and disingenous. His intent was clear.
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No, it was based on a bad premise and if I answered the question in the way he desired I would be forced to accept it.
 
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