Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

Boo Radley · Jan 22, 2013

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Henrin said:
?? I saying they can pick whatever they please.

And I said my heart bleeds for their poor souls. :shrug:

I don't consider the voice of the government in such matters justified.

We are the government. And laws concerning fairness have always been part of the law.

AGENT J · Jan 22, 2013

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Henrin said:
The law.

nope, you are wrong, the firing process still exists, people were fired at my work just weeks ago. :shrug:

Henrin · Jan 22, 2013

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Objective-J said:
nope, you are wrong, the firing process still exists, people were fired at my work just weeks ago. :shrug:

I didn't say it didn't exist. :doh

Henrin · Jan 22, 2013

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Boo Radley said:
And I said my heart bleeds for their poor souls. :shrug:

My heart doesn't bleed for those that want to prejudice over qualifications.

We are the government. And laws concerning fairness have always been part of the law.

No, the body that rules over the citizens is the government. Are you part of that body?

You already know how I feel about the last part.

AGENT J · Jan 22, 2013

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Henrin said:
I didn't say it didn't exist. :doh

didnt say you did, i said theres nothing stopping it and there isnt :shrug:
Dishonesty will always lose vs facts/logic

Henrin · Jan 22, 2013

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Objective-J said:
didnt say you did, i said theres nothing stopping it and there isnt :shrug:

Dishonesty will always lose vs facts/logic

Yes, you did, but anyway..

There IS certain things that are illegal to be used for reasons for firing someone. This keeps plenty of people around that otherwise would not be.

AGENT J · Jan 22, 2013

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Henrin said:
1.)Yes, you did, but anyway..

There IS certain things that are illegal to be used for reasons for firing someone. This keeps plenty of people around that otherwise would not be.

1.) nope, never did, if you disagree please prove it
2.) yep this is true yet the firing process isnt stopped, or one could be honest and say there are rights that are stopped from being violated.

Henrin · Jan 22, 2013

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Objective-J said:
1.) nope, never did, if you disagree please prove it

Nope, you are wrong, the firing process still exists, people were fired at my work just weeks ago.

??

2.) yep this is true yet the firing process isnt stopped, or one could be honest and say there are rights that are stopped from being violated.

Well yes, its not stopped, but it is essentially stopped since it leaves people not desirable still employed and on others property. Doing so will only make their situations worse since business owners have a tendency to make their life miserable.

notquiteright · Jan 22, 2013

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Black Manta said:
You have been here what? 9 months? And you have the nerve to act like you know every post I have made in 4 years? That you have gone through the over 13,000 posts I have made?

When it is a debate I am in, yes I do rebuke blanket statements. Forgive me for not going throughout the forum and rebuking all for their blanket statements.

You are the one that needs to get of a damn horse.

****ing moronic.

Back to our regularly scheduled debate...

Don't need to see EVERY post you have made with whatever name you are using this time. DO know if you could remember a recent decrying some right wing radical for his blanket statement you would have referenced it. Now don't confuse my newbie status here with newbie to the world and how it works. Don't confuse your being here a longer time as somehow 'smarter' or 'fairer'.

it isn't that you don't go through the forum on a mission, it is just you only see blanket statements about the radical right as worthy of umbrage.

FYI the poster didn't say, "every damn radical right wingnutt thinks this way" so it wasn't so much a blanket as a throw...

AGENT J · Jan 22, 2013

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Henrin said:
1.)??

Well yes, its not stopped, but it is essentially stopped since it leaves people not desirable still employed and on others property.

1.) so wheres that part that i said that you said it didnt exist? thats right its not there, thanks for proving me right AGAIN.
2.) oh now you mean ins sorta stopped in the ways that would violate other peoples rights exactly where your rights end, yep thats right and its the way it should be :shrug:

like i said i care about my fellow americans and want their rights protected.

Henrin · Jan 22, 2013

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Objective-J said:
1.) so wheres that part that i said that you said it didnt exist? thats right its not there, thanks for proving me right AGAIN.

I'm not sure how you can claim you didn't suggest that the process didn't exist with your comment, but I'm not going to fight this with you.

2.) oh now you mean ins sorta stopped in the ways that would violate other peoples rights exactly where your rights end, yep thats right and its the way it should be :shrug:

Except that isn't the case...

AGENT J · Jan 22, 2013

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Henrin said:
1.)I'm not sure how you can claim you didn't suggest that the process didn't exist with your comment, but I'm not going to fight this with you.

Except that isn't the case...

1.) things called facts, you accused me of saying YOU said it didnt exist i did no such thing and thats a fact, its not an argument or a fight, you are simply wrong.
2.) you mean in your OPINION its not, in reality it is

so answer this question, you want someone to have the ablity to fire your wife, daughter, niece, sister simply because they wont give them oral sex?

Henrin · Jan 22, 2013

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Objective-J said:
1.) things called facts, you accused me of saying YOU said it didnt exist i did no such thing and thats a fact, its not an argument or a fight, you are simply wrong.

Fine, you win. I'm not going to do this all night

2.) you mean in your OPINION its not, in reality it is

It isn't.

so answer this question, you want someone to have the ablity to fire your wife, daughter, niece, sister simply because they wont give them oral sex?

Is that a right violation of some sort? Where you expecting I would move on that?

AGENT J · Jan 22, 2013

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Henrin said:
1.)Fine, you win. I'm not going to do this all night

It is. Boo admitted what it was, so why can't you?

Is that a right violation of some sort?

1.) wasnt about winning or losing, facts are facts
2.) as long as you admit that
3.) dont dodge the question, dont try to reword your answer or deflect either, its a yes no question, man up and answer it

Do you want someone to have the ablity to fire your wife, daughter, niece, sister simply because they wont give them oral sex? yes or no

Henrin · Jan 22, 2013

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Objective-J said:
1.) wasnt about winning or losing, facts are facts

Whatever. I don't care what you think.

2.) as long as you admit that

Sorry, I meant to say It isn't. A bit quick on pulling the trigger there. I also included Boo in the comment and shouldn't have.

3.) dont dodge the question, dont try to reword your answer or deflect either, its a yes no question, man up and answer it

Do you want someone to have the ablity to fire your wife, daughter, niece, sister simply because they wont give them oral sex? yes or no

I'm just wondering if that is a right violation or not according to you. It isn't, so clearly it within their right to do. Did I answer your question yet? What were you expecting here?

AGENT J · Jan 22, 2013

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Henrin said:
1.)Whatever. I don't care what you think.

Sorry, I meant to say It isn't. A bit quick on pulling the trigger there. I also included Boo in the comment and shouldn't have.

I'm just wondering if that is a right violation or not according to you. It isn't, so clearly it within their right to do. Did I answer you question yet?

1.) what i think is irrevalant you were factually wrong.
2.) quick or not it is in fact only your opinion
3.) i knew you wouldnt man up, be honest and answer the question :shrug: no surprise. Once proved wrong or shown where your logic is broken or why its bad you deflect, talk circles deny facts and play games. Nothing new.

Let me know when you are ready to stop dodging the question and just directly answer it

Do you want someone to have the ablity to fire your wife, daughter, niece, sister simply because they wont give them oral sex? yes or no

Henrin · Jan 22, 2013

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Objective-J said:
2.) quick or not it is in fact only your opinion

Everything I said in this thread is a fact.

3.) i knew you wouldnt man up, be honest and answer the question :shrug: no surprise. Once proved wrong or shown where your logic is broken or why its bad you deflect, talk circles deny facts and play games. Nothing new.

Let me know when you are ready to stop dodging the question and just directly answer it

Do you want someone to have the ablity to fire your wife, daughter, niece, sister simply because they wont give them oral sex? yes or no

Its not about what I want. Its about what rights they have. The question you asked is bizarre and irrelevant.

Voltaire X · Jan 22, 2013

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Depends on the laws. It's very hard to prove you didn't hire someone because of their race, but if provable, it should be illegal.

I am, however, against all forms of quota based affirmative action policies.

AGENT J · Jan 22, 2013

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Henrin said:
1.)Everything I said in this thread is a fact.

Its not about what I want. Its about what rights they have. The question you asked is bizarre and irrelevant.

1.) nope, just your opinion, if you disagree id love for you to FACTUAL prove otherwise
2.) another dodge,thats what i thought, exposed again

Aderleth · Jan 22, 2013

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Henrin said:
Everything I said in this thread is a fact.

Since your assertions re: property rights are sharply at odds with several decades of US law, you're going to have a hard time demonstrating that they're factual.

AGENT J · Jan 22, 2013

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Aderleth said:
Since your assertions re: property rights are sharply at odds with several decades of US law, you're going to have a hard time demonstrating that they're factual.

WHen one is dishonest enough to believe their opinions are the only facts, they dont care about actual facts, its very funny and entertaining everytime i witness it. Its why i encourage him to do it so much because it cracks me up.

Black Dog · Jan 22, 2013

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notquiteright said:
Don't need to see EVERY post you have made with whatever name you are using this time. DO know if you could remember a recent decrying some right wing radical for his blanket statement you would have referenced it.

And how do you know this oh master of mind reading? I guess you missed my part of the post that said...

Black Manta said:
That is an unfair blanket statement about as diverse group of people. It sounds as stupid as people saying "the left."

notquiteright said:
Now don't confuse my newbie status here with newbie to the world and how it works. Don't confuse your being here a longer time as somehow 'smarter' or 'fairer'.

The only thing confused here is your perception. And it is glaringly apparent.

notquiteright said:
it isn't that you don't go through the forum on a mission, it is just you only see blanket statements about the radical right as worthy of umbrage.

Actually I do as I said in debate's with others.

Only people making bad assumptions based on nothing but my lean would do such. Oh I am sorry?

notquiteright said:
FYI the poster didn't say, "every damn radical right wingnutt thinks this way" so it wasn't so much a blanket as a throw...

Yes it was no matter how you try to slice it. :roll:

Henrin · Jan 22, 2013

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Objective-J said:
1.) nope, just your opinion, if you disagree id love for you to FACTUAL prove otherwise

I already did by explaining what property rights detail.

2.) another dodge,thats what i thought, exposed again

The question is asked from a weird and incorrect angle and therefore there is no accurate way to answer it.

Henrin · Jan 22, 2013

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Aderleth said:
Since your assertions re: property rights are sharply at odds with several decades of US law, you're going to have a hard time demonstrating that they're factual.

Tell me, how do you protect property when you don't allow control of the property in either access, use, or sale? Any answers?

It would seem to me you are only protecting the claim, but taking all power that goes with property that was meant to be protected away from it. Ownership is about power. Yeah, I said it. Its about power and control. Whoever has the power and the control owns whatever it might be.

Legal claims of property might say otherwise, but its clear the power of ownership is stripped with these laws. Claims to property you don't control is just an empty declaration. Turning property into merely possession is not what "property rights" is all about, sorry.

Jerry · Jan 22, 2013

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Bigfoot 88 said:
I think society has changed a lot since the 1960's.

For one, the law has changed. Government's cannot force businesses to discriminate who they serve anymore. No more Jim Crow.

We never really got to see whether businesses would discriminate if given the freedom to do so, they were told they had to and then told they can't. Both dictates are harmful I would argue, the first being obviously much worse than the second.

Both profit motive and business image are good reasons why a business wouldn't discriminate. Any discrimination would likely be a statistical anomaly. A low percentage of people are truly racist in this country, an even fewer percentage of racist business owners, and even a fewer percentage of racist business owners who would take the risk to discriminate. And society continues to progress every day.

The problem with anti discrimination laws is that they actually lead to minorities being treated differently. That only delays progress for equality in society. Another problem is that anti discrimination lawsuits are hard to defend against, and morally bankrupt our legal system.

Do we really need laws against discrimination by businesses in 2013?

Businesses can and will discriminate against whomever they want, if allowed.

Modern case-in-point:

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