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The DNA Protection Act of 2013

Your vote on this proposal would be?

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DNAprotection said:
digsbe, I suggest you gather your troops (General Custer123 & Harry) and regroup because the numbers of science and life and human nature and this thread are just simply not adding up in any consistent or justifiable way with your conclusions...in other words so far this thread shows that your teams conclusions are based in ignoring the facts not observing them...you may have accidentally enlisted, but your in the army now and your first call to duty is to somehow disprove the all powerful quote of destiny with regards to this issue...no one else on earth can, but maybe you and your headless squad can somehow pull it off?





The bounty you seek ain't there, and while I know your conditioning has you almost involuntarily reflexing into your continued disposition, as with GMO's, dyin ain't much of a livin...





Come on back if you must...I'll be waitin...
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Um... From what I gather my "team" does not conclude facts based on psuedo science filled with buzz words or youtube videos that at best may constitute a conspiracy theory.

You may want to address a little bit of the biology I discussed in my post instead of dismissing things and proclaiming that I'm ignorant of science and need to "regroup."
 
digsbe said:
Um... From what I gather my "team" does not conclude facts based on psuedo science filled with buzz words or youtube videos that at best may constitute a conspiracy theory.

You may want to address a little bit of the biology I discussed in my post instead of dismissing things and proclaiming that I'm ignorant of science and need to "regroup."
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Oh Admiral digsbe I addressed that bit in my very second post on this thread just as I addressed such in my last post and it is you that keeps parroting about what is 'known' as if that could ever be enough while you then ignore all that is 'unknown' in some kind of 'higher' edu superiority complex and pretending like if you don't know it then it is irrelevant...that's almost like genius only in the reverse...maybe dyslexia is at play in your mental physiology?
Whatever it is its certainly not responsible thinking or scientific thinking whatsoever, it more resembles a type of thinking built on a foundation of voids and miscalculated preconceptions and the kind that can only exist in a test tube or a glass house or a vacuum sealed thinking process.
 
DNAprotection said:
Oh Admiral digsbe I addressed that bit in my very second post on this thread just as I addressed such in my last post and it is you that keeps parroting about what is 'known' as if that could ever be enough while you then ignore all that is 'unknown' in some kind of 'higher' edu superiority complex and pretending like if you don't know it then it is irrelevant...that's almost like genius only in the reverse...maybe dyslexia is at play in your mental physiology?
Whatever it is its certainly not responsible thinking or scientific thinking whatsoever, it more resembles a type of thinking built on a foundation of voids and miscalculated preconceptions and the kind that can only exist in a test tube or a glass house or a vacuum sealed thinking process.
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Believe whatever tickles your fancy. Please address these points then.

What protein product is dangerous?

What mechanism of action produces some kind of toxicity?

Where did this come from?

These should be fairly simple.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
Protein.
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Which is relevant why? Hemoglobin is also a protein. Many drugs target G-protein receptors. What does botulism have to do with genetically modified food?
 
digsbe said:
Which is relevant why? Hemoglobin is also a protein. Many drugs target G-protein receptors. What does botulism have to do with genetically modified food?
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It has to do with many foods. We can't be too careful.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
It has to do with many foods. We can't be too careful.
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Which is why we clean and cook our food... To remove many of the different bacterial species that might make us sick.

How is this relevant to genetically modifying food? We could genetically modify a plant to have more of a natural antibiotic resistance to some pathogens, wouldn't that be a good thing?
 
digsbe said:
Believe whatever tickles your fancy. Please address these points then.

What protein product is dangerous?

What mechanism of action produces some kind of toxicity?

Where did this come from?

These should be fairly simple.
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digsbe I can only assure you of one thing, my answers to your queries will be far and away more viable than anything you have muttered in response to what I have posed to you.

"What protein product is dangerous?"

Answer:
current human/empire/usa culture:
"The 'scientific' west has a lot to learn from the mindset of the Native American people. The whole subject/object split would seem an illusion to many original americans. Objectifying things as is done in the west, makes them dead to the rest of the universe, and they become something to purely exploit and eventually ruin. This speech by Dan George, shows an understanding that all things are connected and part of the same evolving pattern that makes up the known and the unknown universe."


Jack Crabb: "Do you hate them? Do you hate the White man now?"
Old Lodge Skins: "Do you see this fine thing? Do you admire the humanity of it? Because the human beings, my son, they believe everything is alive. Not only man and animals. But also water, earth, stone. And also the things from them... like that hair. The man from whom this hair came, he's bald on the other side, because I now own his scalp! That is the way things are. But the white man, they believe EVERYTHING is dead. Stone, earth, animals. And people! Even their own people! If things keep trying to live, white man will rub them out. That is the difference."




"What mechanism of action produces some kind of toxicity?"

Answer:
Capitalism on the surface, but below the surface its a far more complex system of centralized controls and goals that are void of any notion of 'by the people for the people' etc and cares not of the ism's but for to play them out against each other in furthering their efforts...not unlike any cancer, it feeds on us all right up to the end and thats about as far as we 'count' in that mechanism which is applied and permeates throughout all aspects of the culture/empire, especially with respect to technologies such as genetic engineering. Like all things though, your miscalculations do and will come at a great price...I don't mind the battle, but I do mind what your world does to those who cannot fight...so stay tuned stoogbe...





"Where did this come from?"

Answer:
Historic data

 
digsbe said:
Which is why we clean and cook our food... To remove many of the different bacterial species that might make us sick.

How is this relevant to genetically modifying food? We could genetically modify a plant to have more of a natural antibiotic resistance to some pathogens, wouldn't that be a good thing?
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Oh my stoogbe the sweet talker...who can take a rainbow and mix it with a dream, who can serve it up like a bowl of sweet ice cream?
Amazing how those who think they know something are so willing to apply such regardless of what they don't know...problem is exponentially worse in this case though because of the chain reactive nature of nature which is the one thing we do know that we know for sure...so the potential consequences of stoogbe's position based on disregarding the unknown in reach for what such a position thinks it knows is clearly at the expense and total disregard to everyone's human/natural self evident rights as well as everyone's health and safety...and what of the rest of the web of life stoogbe?
Also stoogbe if you are that which you state below then how can we apply that here in a way that supports your arguements?

"I'm part of the 0.99 probability, because being a member of the 99% is too mainstream."
 
DNAprotection said:
digsbe I can only assure you of one thing, my answers to your queries will be far and away more viable than anything you have muttered in response to what I have posed to you.

"What protein product is dangerous?"

Answer:
current human/empire/usa culture:
"The 'scientific' west has a lot to learn from the mindset of the Native American people. The whole subject/object split would seem an illusion to many original americans. Objectifying things as is done in the west, makes them dead to the rest of the universe, and they become something to purely exploit and eventually ruin. This speech by Dan George, shows an understanding that all things are connected and part of the same evolving pattern that makes up the known and the unknown universe."


Jack Crabb: "Do you hate them? Do you hate the White man now?"
Old Lodge Skins: "Do you see this fine thing? Do you admire the humanity of it? Because the human beings, my son, they believe everything is alive. Not only man and animals. But also water, earth, stone. And also the things from them... like that hair. The man from whom this hair came, he's bald on the other side, because I now own his scalp! That is the way things are. But the white man, they believe EVERYTHING is dead. Stone, earth, animals. And people! Even their own people! If things keep trying to live, white man will rub them out. That is the difference."

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I don't think you understand what I'm asking. Go find just 1 primary research article that has identified a protein within a genetically modified food that has directly resulted from the genes put into the food that has been approved for consumption that is harmful.
"What mechanism of action produces some kind of toxicity?"

Answer:
Capitalism on the surface, but below the surface its a far more complex system of centralized controls and goals that are void of any notion of 'by the people for the people' etc and cares not of the ism's but for to play them out against each other in furthering their efforts...not unlike any cancer, it feeds on us all right up to the end and thats about as far as we 'count' in that mechanism which is applied and permeates throughout all aspects of the culture/empire, especially with respect to technologies such as genetic engineering. Like all things though, your miscalculations do and will come at a great price...I don't mind the battle, but I do mind what your world does to those who cannot fight...so stay tuned stoogbe...





"Where did this come from?"

Answer:
Historic data

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My word... When a biologist asks about a mechanism of action we want to know how that protein works and what pathway it functions in, that should be a given when someone asks about a protein and then asks about its mechanism of action. I am discussing biology and genetics, none of what you have posted changes anything.

What about the ability to transfect into cells genes that allow a good food source to grow in harsh climates? What about transfecting plants and animals with genes that make them resistant to certain diseases? What about cross breeding and modifying plants to have more nutritional value? What about the potential to grow more food with less resources that can be used to help stop starvation and lower the cost of food for everyone?
 
DNAprotection said:
uh ok...um...Did you not see this article that was posted by two different people in this thread:
Regulators Discover a Hidden Viral Gene in Commercial GMO Crops
Regulators Discover a Hidden Viral Gene in Commercial GMO Crops
January 21, 2013 Biotechnology, Commentaries 42 Comments

by Jonathan Latham and Allison Wilson

"How should a regulatory agency announce they have discovered something potentially very important about the safety of products they have been approving for over twenty years?

In the course of analysis to identify potential allergens in GMO crops, the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) has belatedly discovered that the most common genetic regulatory sequence in commercial GMOs also encodes a significant fragment of a viral gene (Podevin and du Jardin 2012). This finding has serious ramifications for crop biotechnology and its regulation, but possibly even greater ones for consumers and farmers. This is because there are clear indications that this viral gene (called Gene VI) might not be safe for human consumption. It also may disturb the normal functioning of crops, including their natural pest resistance."

Or maybe you just don't digsbe the science and lack there of = ignorance..."I'm always shocked by the ignorance surrounding genetic engineering"...yes that's exactly what I was thinking as well.
ps...you and Harry should start a science haters forum, maybe even GC123 can join up, Harry and GC123 will need a new heads first of course ;)
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The article is a joke. The Cauliflower mosaic virus promoter is deliberately introduced as part of the genetic modification process and fragments from the virus are to be expected. There is no evidence that the protein is expressed or that it would even be harmful if it was. The risk is likely higher for natural foods, as they are regularly infected by the full version of the Cauliflower mosaic virus.
 
digsbe said:
I don't think you understand what I'm asking. Go find just 1 primary research article that has identified a protein within a genetically modified food that has directly resulted from the genes put into the food that has been approved for consumption that is harmful.

My word... When a biologist asks about a mechanism of action we want to know how that protein works and what pathway it functions in, that should be a given when someone asks about a protein and then asks about its mechanism of action. I am discussing biology and genetics, none of what you have posted changes anything.

What about the ability to transfect into cells genes that allow a good food source to grow in harsh climates? What about transfecting plants and animals with genes that make them resistant to certain diseases? What about cross breeding and modifying plants to have more nutritional value? What about the potential to grow more food with less resources that can be used to help stop starvation and lower the cost of food for everyone?
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stoogbe aware that nothing you have written in the above quote comes anywhere near addressing what I have posed to you, in fact your only continuing to put forth inaccurate corporate propaganda that has no effect with respect to answering to the fact of the known and unknown unknowns and so at the end of the day it is you and Monsanto et al that cannot 'prove' that GMO's aren't harmful. In fact there is far less sureness about GMO's being 'safe' than there is about FDA approved drugs and 'medications' which are constantly recalled or discontinued because of the emerging unknowns and or unintended consequences or side effects of such. The potential consequences of GMO's are far greater than the isolated effects of drugs gone wrong.

The talking points you do raise though I could have pasted here from Monsanto's own web site and so I hope you don't mind if I respond in kind...


To your first ridicules suggestion the solution is simple, either grow what grows there or move...you just apparently want what you want and you want it now lol like that spoiled little wonka girl who fall down the bad egg hole...things grow where they grow for reasons and while you may assume you fully understand all those reasons and can then manipulate such, the truth is that you don't know all the reasons/numbers and therefore your equations are bound to fail in any case after enough time.


Can GMOs Help End World Hunger?
John Robbins: Can GMOs Help End World Hunger?

Can Genetically Modified Food Feed the World?


Cross breeding is not genetic engineering although I know it serves your purposes to believe such a thing, but to the point of compared nutrition:
http://earthopensource.org/files/pdfs/GMO_Myths_and_Truths/GMO_Myths_and_Truths_1.3.pdf

Genetically modified food Food Fight The Truth About Genetically Modified Organisms


 
rathi said:
The article is a joke. The Cauliflower mosaic virus promoter is deliberately introduced as part of the genetic modification process and fragments from the virus are to be expected. There is no evidence that the protein is expressed or that it would even be harmful if it was. The risk is likely higher for natural foods, as they are regularly infected by the full version of the Cauliflower mosaic virus.
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My freedom of expression here has been authoritatively squelched shall we say so my reply may seem a little boorish...rathi your quote above is as empty as your hands are in reporting back with the words to replace the words you said were miss-worded in the ballot proposal...you speak but no words come out...better to just be silent then maybe?

"Maturity is not when we start speaking big things...it is when we start understanding small things." ~Unknown
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

Harry Guerrilla said:
Be careful with whom you ally with.
This thread is supported by nothing other than, "nature knows better."
Which is a faulty premise.
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Ally? Really? No one on this site it my ally or enemy, I just post here.
 
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LiberalAvenger said:
It's not nice to mess with mother nature. Mother nature always has a reaction to a man made reaction.
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Man is an integral part of "nature" though.
So with that being true, what man does it what "nature" wanted.
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

Harry Guerrilla said:
Man is an integral part of "nature" though.
So with that being true, what man does it what "nature" wanted.
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Only when nature and man are in sync with each other.
 
DNAprotection said:
digsbe, I suggest you gather your troops (General Custer123 & Harry) and regroup because the numbers of science and life and human nature and this thread are just simply not adding up in any consistent or justifiable way with your conclusions...in other words so far this thread shows that your teams conclusions are based in ignoring the facts not observing them...you may have accidentally enlisted, but your in the army now and your first call to duty is to somehow disprove the all powerful quote of destiny with regards to this issue...no one else on earth can, but maybe you and your headless squad can somehow pull it off?
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We have a microbiologist and a doctoral student in pharmacology, telling you that, you really don't know what you're talking about.
Yet you continue to post these conspiracy theory/non related videos, that have nothing to do with the topic and you're continually deflecting information be posted to the contrary.

Did you know that virus has been altering the DNA of most animals, since their existence and that humans would no likely exist, had virus not randomly altered our DNA over these millions, to billions of years?
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

Northern Light said:
Ally? Really? No one on this site it my ally or enemy, I just post here.
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Maybe I should of quoted ally.
I really don't assume that you're allied with this person, but am generally saying, that your position may be similar but still different than the OP.
However supporting some of what the op says in this thread, can lead to your premise being falsely identified as conspiracy theory too.
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

Harry Guerrilla said:
Man is an integral part of "nature" though.
So with that being true, what man does it what "nature" wanted.
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WTF? nature wants? What the hell are your headless hands trying to say?
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

DNAprotection said:
WTF? nature wants? What the hell are your headless hands trying to say?
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You're placing man outside of "nature" as if man is an artifice, not part of "nature."
How can you say, that what man does, is not what "nature" wants?

Do you have a direct communication line to "nature."
 
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