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The DNA Protection Act of 2013

Your vote on this proposal would be?


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Your intent was to ban genetic engineer, a fact not excused simply because you are too incompetent accomplish it in practice. I have been quite consistent in speaking out against both your motivations and your ignorance.



You are the one who needs to learn about this issue. The giants holes in your bill don't require an expert to see, merely someone who is familiar with lower division college biology courses.


We are experiencing technical difficulties due to technical difficulties that are now being spliced & rewired by the rathi biowording interference and repair response unit...
Please stand by and enjoy a musical interlude while we wait for genetic repairs to be completed, thank you...




 
Your intent was to ban genetic engineer, a fact not excused simply because you are too incompetent accomplish it in practice. I have been quite consistent in speaking out against both your motivations and your ignorance.



You are the one who needs to learn about this issue. The giants holes in your bill don't require an expert to see, merely someone who is familiar with lower division college biology courses.

Well then rathi, why keep me suspending in ignorance unless ye fears democracy? I pray do tell where the language should be improved?
Enlighten us all with the good manners to back up your words with action and explanation that reach further than shots in the dark at irrelevant ghost targets...show what you know...give us your known unknowns so we can all know that what we know is at least known.
So knock out some ballot measure wording for us so we can all make the most informed decisions possible rathi...I'm not joking, lets have it if the proposal is somehow in need of such?

Isaac Asimov
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
― Isaac Asimov

Please continue to stand by, we seem to be still experiencing the rathi of labor pains...

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Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

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Still waiting on rathi...use all your talent 4this project rothi, emerge, spread your writers wings and fly like a literal monarch:tink:tinker my bell...that would be ultra cool and mk me very happy;)

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While we continue to wait for rathi's biowording repair response service (they walk the talk), one can only imagine all the talent that has gone into preparing for the glorious days that are now upon us thanks to corps + biotech + govs = springtime 4u know what...:doh



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Ultimate Warrior: Robert Duncan O'Finioan

Project Camelot | Duncan O'Finioan

Duncan O'Finioan was the Ultimate Warrior... brainwashed, conditioned and controlled as part of a highly classified MKULTRA program called PROJECT TALENT. From a thousand others trained as child warriors in 1966, he is now, he believes, only one of 20 left alive to tell the story.

In his powerful and compelling testimony for the camera -- one of the most extraordinary we have ever heard -- Duncan describes: -- His mission to "terminate" the very drunk, future President of the United States... George W Bush;
-- His dizzying enhanced physical and psychic abilities... including the abilities to hurl someone across the room with his mind, and walk through a solid wall;
-- How he and 11 other children were flown to Cambodia to deliver a targeted death blow to all the surrounding Khmer Rouge troops... using only the combined power of their minds;
-- How his right arm is "hardwired" and is capable of astonishing speed and strength;
-- His struggle to regain his memory, aided by a car accident which led to the discovery of a cranial implant uncovered by an MRI machine... deactivating the implant and causing the MRI machine to catch fire;
-- His role as a programmed assassin, targeting Americans under the command of an undisclosed agency;
-- The selection, torture, and brutal training process that he endured... and which children are undergoing to this day;
-- And more...

Twenty years later, Duncan (who is of mixed Cherokee and Irish blood) comes forward to tell the truth about the Ultimate Warrior project: how he was chosen, groomed and tortured into becoming the perfect fighting machine, combining physical superiority with the extraordinary mental abilities of a psychic spy.

Fearless, principled, and determined to regain control over his life, Duncan O'Finioan tells his story in detail. Do not miss this interview."

See also:

Project Monarch: Nazi Mind Control - The Evolution of Project MKULTRA

"Amidst the subtle cerebral circumvention of the gullible populace, through a multitude of manipulated mediums, lies one of the most diabolical atrocities perpetrated upon a segment of the human race; a form of systematic mind control which has permeated every aspect of society for almost fifty years.



To objectively ascertain the following, one may need to re-examine preconceived ideologies relating to the dualistic nature of mankind.

Resolving the philosophical question of whether we are inherently good or inherently evil is tantamount in shaping our perception of reality; specifically, the spiritual variable within the equation of life.

This exposition is substantiated by declassified U.S. government documents, individuals formerly connected to the U.S. intelligence communities, historical writings, researchers knowledgeable in mind control, publications from mental health practitioners, and interviews taken from survivors unwittingly subjected to a highly complex form of trauma-based mind control known as MONARCH programming.

A word of caution for survivors of intensively systematic mind control and/or some form of ritualized abuse: There are numerous "triggers" in this article.


It is therefore recommended not to read it unless appropriate support systems are in place or if you have a thoroughly reintegrate"

read entire article here:
Project Monarch: Nazi Mind Control - The Evolution of Project MKULTRA
 
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Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

I'm not highly concerned about genetic patenting. The patent system of ownership will eventually cease to exist while our creations will have natural consequences that we can't quite understand yet.

I read this interesting article today (which contains many peer reviewed sources) on how viral RNA has been found in certain GMO foods:
Regulators Discover a Hidden Viral Gene in Commercial GMO Crops

Genetic engineering holds a lot of promise but I don't think we can trust the current corporate infrastructure - who often acts psychopathically and in malign ways against humanity in seeking profits - to manage this invention. Maybe future systems could do it, but right now we are creating organisms without proper study of the long-term consequences.

The common heirloom species are being preserved in seed banks all over the world and will continue to be available to the public. The problem is the cancerous GMO species infecting heirloom crops.
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

I'm not highly concerned about genetic patenting. The patent system of ownership will eventually cease to exist while our creations will have natural consequences that we can't quite understand yet.

I read this interesting article today (which contains many peer reviewed sources) on how viral RNA has been found in certain GMO foods:
Regulators Discover a Hidden Viral Gene in Commercial GMO Crops

Genetic engineering holds a lot of promise but I don't think we can trust the current corporate infrastructure - who often acts psychopathically and in malign ways against humanity in seeking profits - to manage this invention. Maybe future systems could do it, but right now we are creating organisms without proper study of the long-term consequences.

The common heirloom species are being preserved in seed banks all over the world and will continue to be available to the public. The problem is the cancerous GMO species infecting heirloom crops.

Thanks Northern Light, yes I shined a light on that article in an earlier post as well, and while I disagree with your conclusions on patenting life, the rest of your comment actually goes to the same point because you dont get one without the other and its something we all should be concerned about.
Corporate influence et al blackmails and bullies its way into every country on earth and by the time the masses even realize it enough to respond its usually to late and the hook is already set...the little fishes can struggle but hook only sets deeper...





"We play an interview with, John Perkins–author of "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man"–who says he says he helped the U.S. cheat poor countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars by lending them more money than they could possibly repay and then taking over their economies. [includes rush transcript]
Filed under Hugo Chavez

The protests this week in Bolivia come as Latin America is seeing significant success among popular progressive movements. From Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, Lula da Silva of Brazil to the changes of government in Uruguay and now Ecuador, there is a continent-wide trend that has Washington concerned. The US has long exploited countries throughout Central and Latin America for the natural resources, labor and land. Over the decades, this exploitation has been backed up by force and through devastating policies dictated to puppet regimes. Our next guest says he helped the U.S. cheat poor countries in Latin America and around the globe out of trillions of dollars by lending them more money than they could possibly repay and then taking over their economies. From 1971 to 1981, John Perkins worked for the international consulting firm of Chas T. Main. He described himself as an "economic hit man." He"s written a memoir called Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. When he joined us in our fire house studio, we asked him to begin with how he came to be recruited first by the National Security Agency–far larger than the C.I.A.–and then this so-called international consulting firm of Chas T. Main."

[video]http://www.democracynow.org/2005/5/17/confessions_of_an_economic_hit_man[/video]
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

I'm not highly concerned about genetic patenting. The patent system of ownership will eventually cease to exist while our creations will have natural consequences that we can't quite understand yet.

I read this interesting article today (which contains many peer reviewed sources) on how viral RNA has been found in certain GMO foods:
Regulators Discover a Hidden Viral Gene in Commercial GMO Crops

Genetic engineering holds a lot of promise but I don't think we can trust the current corporate infrastructure - who often acts psychopathically and in malign ways against humanity in seeking profits - to manage this invention. Maybe future systems could do it, but right now we are creating organisms without proper study of the long-term consequences.

The common heirloom species are being preserved in seed banks all over the world and will continue to be available to the public. The problem is the cancerous GMO species infecting heirloom crops.

One more thought concerning your last point while we continue to wait on rathi's its been a long time coming its been a long time gone threat to speak out against the madness and give us/me a big boy pants science lesson concerning the right and proper wording in the proposal.
How about for those that may not fully grasp your last point, "cancerous GMO species infecting heirloom crops.", we have a lil boy pants science lesson about how everything is connected and how the chain reactive nature of life itself makes genetically engineered life introduced into the web of life a giant mystery proposition where in the worst case scenario many species including our own could go extinct...lol...
First the basics:

The Web of Life - by Defenders of Wildlife

Now a bit more in depth:



Now a bit more in depth:

The Web Of Life

Now another musical interlude dedicated to our rathi's apparently tireless efforts...please rathi try to be done before the dawn:doh

 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

I don't really have time to watch so many videos but I will address your written points later.
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

You know, most people who post an endless stream of you tube videos tend to be conspiracy theorists, completely partisan and totally biased.
In general, most of us will dismiss this nonsense, as a non contribution.
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

You know, most people who post an endless stream of you tube videos tend to be conspiracy theorists, completely partisan and totally biased.
In general, most of us will dismiss this nonsense, as a non contribution.

No offense but your post also seems like a non-contribution.
 
You know, most people who post an endless stream of you tube videos tend to be conspiracy theorists, completely partisan and totally biased.
In general, most of us will dismiss this nonsense, as a non contribution.

Oh my Harry its hard to believe your still twitching out there lol and your headless twin General Custer123 seems to also still twitch (even if only in praise)...
Now what on earth did you think was gonna happen when you reached your headless hand back in here like this presumably thinkin you had the magic key to your resurrection Harry really?
Well the first thing that always happens in a case like this is...
pay close attention to every word Harry:





Then of course we should apply the law of attraction in response to your attempted distraction:





General, there is also reference to your legacy in this one:


 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

No offense but your post also seems like a non-contribution.

That's fine, always we'll have a difference of opinions.
It's just that I'm not going to side the pseudo science, that is anti GMO's.
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

The post above my last response is the picture perfect scenario of the naturalistic fallacy and anti vaccine/GMO hysteria.
Basically, it's totally worthless and doesn't at all support your original thesis.
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

Oh my Harry its hard to believe your still twitching out there lol and your headless twin General Custer123 seems to also still twitch (even if only in praise)...
Now what on earth did you think was gonna happen when you reached your headless hand back in here like this presumably thinkin you had the magic key to your resurrection Harry really?
Well the first thing that always happens in a case like this is...
pay close attention to every word Harry:





Then of course we should apply the law of attraction in response to your attempted distraction:



...



The post above my last response is the picture perfect scenario of the naturalistic fallacy and anti vaccine/GMO hysteria.
Basically, it's totally worthless and doesn't at all support your original thesis.

Did you mean that one Harry or did you mean this one that reflects back to your headless quote above and to which deserves another Pollyanna cracker:

Harry, I said nothing about 'right' or 'wrong' either for that mater, this is your terminology.
Nature simply inherently has all the numbers to work with and we simply as of yet don't.
The proposal posted here simply forces science where profit motives have supplanted such.
If you were really a fan of the 'facts' and science then you would surely be in support of this proposal because it demands such before allowing the 'not ready for prime time' biotech players to bungle the gene pool much as other profit motivated 'experts' in other sectors have handled the economy etc for example.
Finally Harry, to that bit you keep parroting at the end of every post...you force me to then feed you crackers...I only wield the all powerful quote of destiny again because you have brought such on yourself...I did attempt mercy and reconciliation as I am required, but that seems to have failed...I know the Occam's Razor like blade of the quote of destiny is devastating, but don't fight the urge to continue even if it is just involuntary conditioned reflex of the nervous system, much like a decapitated snakes head will still bite even though oxygen has been cut off from the brain, or how its heart will still beat and the body will still coil and strike out in reflex up to a day after its beheading.



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Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

The post above my last response is the picture perfect scenario of the naturalistic fallacy and anti vaccine/GMO hysteria.
Basically, it's totally worthless and doesn't at all support your original thesis.

I think I posted my link in the wrong thread. There just weren't any other recent GMO topics and I didn't want to make another.
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

I think I posted my link in the wrong thread. There just weren't any other recent GMO topics and I didn't want to make another.
Well NL thats a real let down for us both for sure, maybe you should have read this thread first?
Maybe you would have seen that the article you posted had already been posted, but so what, its a good article, its just that most of the people here aren't interested in the full scope of the science or lack there of = truth...just as you now seem to be limited in your perspective by somehow I'm guessing agreeing with Harry here in his fatally absent minded assessments...
It is to bad because you were one of the few who actually seemed to want to discuss this issue in terms of what is really going on with the science etc.
Maybe for all our efforts to grow and evolve you can try to avoid the Harry complex and the fate hidden therein and discuss what you dropped in to discuss?
:peace
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

Did you mean that one Harry or did you mean this one that reflects back to your headless quote above and to which deserves another Pollyanna cracker:



:confused:

You just keep posting nonsense that doesn't prove your thesis.
To most of us, it's gibberish.
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

I think I posted my link in the wrong thread. There just weren't any other recent GMO topics and I didn't want to make another.

Be careful with whom you ally with.
This thread is supported by nothing other than, "nature knows better."
Which is a faulty premise.
 
I fully support genetic engineering to produce better food supplies. I'm always shocked by the ignorance surrounding genetic engineering.
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

Be careful with whom you ally with.
This thread is supported by nothing other than, "nature knows better."
Which is a faulty premise.

It's not nice to mess with mother nature. Mother nature always has a reaction to a man made reaction.
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

Be careful with whom you ally with.
This thread is supported by nothing other than, "nature knows better."
Which is a faulty premise.
Awe but Harry, isn't it nature that in the end always has to clean up your messes because you simply don't know enough yet to know how to do so yourself?
Just a few small examples compared to the far greater reaching and more devastating potentials of possible biotech disasters:


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"Disaster unfolds slowly in the Gulf of Mexico"

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"The Chernobyl plant blew up at 1:23 a.m. on April 26, 1986, spewing out a radioactive cloud and contaminating much of Europe. An estimated 15,000 to 30,000 people have died in the aftermath. More than 2.5 million Ukranians suffer from health problems related to the Chernobyl blast, with 80,000 of them receiving a pension."

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US court absolves Union Carbide of Bhopal liability

28 June 2012

Press Trust of India

NEW YORK, 28 JUNE: In a setback to 1984 Bhopal gas tragedy victims, a US court has held that neither Union Carbide nor its former chairman Mr Warren Anderson were liable for environmental remediation or pollution-related claims at the firm’s former chemical plant in Bhopal.

US district judge Mr John Keena in Manhattan dismissed a lawsuit accusing the company of causing soil and water pollution around the Bhopal plant due to the disaster, and ruled that Union Carbide Corporation (UCC) and Anderson were not liable for remediation or pollution-related claims.

The court ruled that it was Union Carbide India Ltd, and not its parent company UCC that was responsible for the generation and disposal of the waste that polluted drinking water, and the liability rests with the state government.

Plaintiffs Mr Janki Bai Sahu and others had alleged that “toxic substances seeped into a ground aquifer, polluting the soil and drinking water supply in residential communities surrounding the former Bhopal Plant site”. They alleged that exposure to soil and drinking water polluted by hazardous waste produced Union Carbine India Ltd caused injuries.

“The summary judgement record certainly indicates that UCIL consulted with UCC about its waste disposal plans and on non-environmental business matter like its strategic plan. However, nothing in the evidence suggests the necessity of UCC’s approval for the actions about which plaintiffs complain,” the court said in its order.

“Moreover, there is no evidence in this extensive record indicating that UCIL manufactured pesticides on UCC’s behalf, entered into contracts or other business dealings on UCC’s behalf, or otherwise acted in UCC’s name,” it said.

The industrial accident, the worst in Indian history, led to the leak of poisonous methyl isocyanate, claiming thousands of lives in the Madhya Pradesh capital.

In his written opinion, Mr Keenan concluded that even when viewing the evidence in the most favourable light for the plaintiffs, UCC was not directly liable, nor liable as an agent of UCIL, nor liable under a veil-piercing analysis.






Harry the list goes on and on...how could you possibly think it will be any different with biotech?
Such a conclusion would simply be unscientific according to past data.
 
Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

Love canal, need I say more?
 
I fully support genetic engineering to produce better food supplies. I'm always shocked by the ignorance surrounding genetic engineering.

uh ok...um...Did you not see this article that was posted by two different people in this thread:
Regulators Discover a Hidden Viral Gene in Commercial GMO Crops
Regulators Discover a Hidden Viral Gene in Commercial GMO Crops
January 21, 2013 Biotechnology, Commentaries 42 Comments

by Jonathan Latham and Allison Wilson

"How should a regulatory agency announce they have discovered something potentially very important about the safety of products they have been approving for over twenty years?

In the course of analysis to identify potential allergens in GMO crops, the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) has belatedly discovered that the most common genetic regulatory sequence in commercial GMOs also encodes a significant fragment of a viral gene (Podevin and du Jardin 2012). This finding has serious ramifications for crop biotechnology and its regulation, but possibly even greater ones for consumers and farmers. This is because there are clear indications that this viral gene (called Gene VI) might not be safe for human consumption. It also may disturb the normal functioning of crops, including their natural pest resistance."

Or maybe you just don't digsbe the science and lack there of = ignorance..."I'm always shocked by the ignorance surrounding genetic engineering"...yes that's exactly what I was thinking as well.
ps...you and Harry should start a science haters forum, maybe even GC123 can join up, Harry and GC123 will need a new heads first of course ;)
 
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uh ok...um...Did you not see this article that was posted by two different people in this thread:
Regulators Discover a Hidden Viral Gene in Commercial GMO Crops
Regulators Discover a Hidden Viral Gene in Commercial GMO Crops
January 21, 2013 Biotechnology, Commentaries 42 Comments

by Jonathan Latham and Allison Wilson

"How should a regulatory agency announce they have discovered something potentially very important about the safety of products they have been approving for over twenty years?

In the course of analysis to identify potential allergens in GMO crops, the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) has belatedly discovered that the most common genetic regulatory sequence in commercial GMOs also encodes a significant fragment of a viral gene (Podevin and du Jardin 2012). This finding has serious ramifications for crop biotechnology and its regulation, but possibly even greater ones for consumers and farmers. This is because there are clear indications that this viral gene (called Gene VI) might not be safe for human consumption. It also may disturb the normal functioning of crops, including their natural pest resistance."

Or maybe you just don't digsbe the science and lack there of = ignorance..."I'm always shocked by the ignorance surrounding genetic engineering"...yes that's exactly what I was thinking as well.
ps...you and Harry should start a science haters forum, maybe even GC123 can join up, Harry and GC123 will need a new heads first of course ;)

Like I said... The ignorance level is simply amazing. People see the word "viral gene" or "genetic modification" and completely flip out without being able to comprehend what these things mean. Why is it not safe for human consumption? All of this seems like speculation without facts because buzz words were mentioned.

Also, encodes a "significant" portion of a viral gene? What does the viral gene code for? A harmless capsule protein? A harmless tail protein? Part of a polymerase? A single piece of a non functional viral protein isn't going to cause any serious damage (and 99.99999% chance that it does absolutely nothing and exists only to be degraded by a proteasome)... First of all, anyone versed in biology will know that if you have a partially encoded protein product you are most likely going to have a defective protein that has no activity. We have several genetic diseases in humans where there is a single point mutation changing 1 amino acid that results in a disease due to a defective/inactive protein product. Also, everything we eat pretty much contains DNA. That DNA does not get transcribed at all, it gets broken down by nucleases and the body can use the nucleotides (which are not in a sequence) and recycle them.

I find it ironic that you think I hate science :roll:
 
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uh ok...um...Did you not see this article that was posted by two different people in this thread:
Regulators Discover a Hidden Viral Gene in Commercial GMO Crops
Regulators Discover a Hidden Viral Gene in Commercial GMO Crops
January 21, 2013 Biotechnology, Commentaries 42 Comments

by Jonathan Latham and Allison Wilson

"How should a regulatory agency announce they have discovered something potentially very important about the safety of products they have been approving for over twenty years?

In the course of analysis to identify potential allergens in GMO crops, the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) has belatedly discovered that the most common genetic regulatory sequence in commercial GMOs also encodes a significant fragment of a viral gene (Podevin and du Jardin 2012). This finding has serious ramifications for crop biotechnology and its regulation, but possibly even greater ones for consumers and farmers. This is because there are clear indications that this viral gene (called Gene VI) might not be safe for human consumption. It also may disturb the normal functioning of crops, including their natural pest resistance."

Or maybe you just don't digsbe the science and lack there of = ignorance..."I'm always shocked by the ignorance surrounding genetic engineering"...yes that's exactly what I was thinking as well.
ps...you and Harry should start a science haters forum, maybe even GC123 can join up, Harry and GC123 will need a new heads first of course ;)

digsbe, I suggest you gather your troops (General Custer123 & Harry) and regroup because the numbers of science and life and human nature and this thread are just simply not adding up in any consistent or justifiable way with your conclusions...in other words so far this thread shows that your teams conclusions are based in ignoring the facts not observing them...you may have accidentally enlisted, but your in the army now and your first call to duty is to somehow disprove the all powerful quote of destiny with regards to this issue...no one else on earth can, but maybe you and your headless squad can somehow pull it off?





The bounty you seek ain't there, and while I know your conditioning has you almost involuntarily reflexing into your continued disposition, as with GMO's, dyin ain't much of a livin...





Come on back if you must...I'll be waitin...
 
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