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A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

Would this compromise be acceptable?


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Again, you dwell in the past of pre Constitution America or want us to engage in wild speculation about some future scenario where our armies and police are rendered impotent and its up to us to put down the remote control and fight the invading hordes from Uranus.

Sorry. I do not make public policy based on realites from two and a quarter centuries ago or from George Lucas type imaginings. Lets concentrate on the reality before the USA in 2013 for once.

If you think that a militia is not necessary to the security of a free state that's your choice. Apparently the founders felt differently, which is why they took steps to ensure that the people would always be adequately armed with militarily effective weapons.
 
Its funny that it is the pro second ammendment people that are the ones accused of overreacting.

There are hundreds of more likely ways to be killed in this country than from guns and yet liberals are focused like a laser on this one specific type. People get stabbed, people get beat with baseball bats, golf clubs, hammers, ice picks, brass knuckles, they get run over by cars, they get poisoned, choked, killed by home made explosives.....there are lots of ways someone can kill another person but this is their singular focus.

It's called and agenda and we see it for what it is. It is simply liberals trying not to "let a crisis go to waste".
 
If you think that a militia is not necessary to the security of a free state that's your choice. Apparently the founders felt differently, which is why they took steps to ensure that the people would always be adequately armed with militarily effective weapons.

It is not what I think that is important. Nor is it what you think that is important. Reality has spoken loud and clear on this issue. Your militia - the contriavance that you need to employ to justify these weapons - is a convenient fiction that exists only on paper. That reality trumps belief.
 
Its funny that it is the pro second ammendment people that are the ones accused of overreacting.

There are hundreds of more likely ways to be killed in this country than from guns and yet liberals are focused like a laser on this one specific type. People get stabbed, people get beat with baseball bats, golf clubs, hammers, ice picks, brass knuckles, they get run over by cars, they get poisoned, choked, killed by home made explosives.....there are lots of ways someone can kill another person but this is their singular focus.

It's called and agenda and we see it for what it is. It is simply liberals trying not to "let a crisis go to waste".

True enough. And it's ugly, ugly, ugly.
 
It is not what I think that is important. Nor is it what you think that is important. Reality has spoken loud and clear on this issue. Your militia - the contriavance that you need to employ to justify these weapons - is a convenient fiction that exists only on paper. That reality trumps belief.

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All of our rights exist on paper, Haymarket. That's why we have a written Constitution.
 
Again, you dwell in the past of pre Constitution America or want us to engage in wild speculation about some future scenario where our armies and police are rendered impotent and its up to us to put down the remote control and fight the invading hordes from Uranus.

Sorry. I do not make public policy based on realites from two and a quarter centuries ago or from George Lucas type imaginings. Lets concentrate on the reality before the USA in 2013 for once.

Snort. You do not make public policy for anything.
 
If you think that a militia is not necessary to the security of a free state that's your choice. Apparently the founders felt differently, which is why they took steps to ensure that the people would always be adequately armed with militarily effective weapons.

History according to Haymarket:

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It is not what I think that is important. Nor is it what you think that is important. Reality has spoken loud and clear on this issue. Your militia - the contriavance that you need to employ to justify these weapons - is a convenient fiction that exists only on paper. That reality trumps belief.

So do you therefore believe that the law should deny the people the possession of militarily effective firearms, such as are carried by the police and standing army?
 
If we are to renew the "assault weapons" ban, then let's grandfather it in. I.e., if someone legally owns an "assault weapon" before the ban takes effect, then they may keep that gun. Afterward, no such weapon may be legally purchased for civilian use.

Would this be acceptable or not?

A "compromise" on any right is a loss of that right, regardless of whether it's guns, speech, due process, search and seizure, etc. Not just no, but a very firm and uncompromising no.
 
Federalist............. With all due respect, why is it that all your arguments on this issue are based either in the very distant past of well over two centuries ago or in a future which is speculative at best and absurd at worst? The real world we live in today and have lived in for the last two centuries never enters into your reasoning, your examples or your motivations.

Because the desires and motivations of government have changed very little over the centuries.
 
Just be happy that there are people who are willing to fight for what is yours by right, regardless of how much you value it.

No one should ever do anything mindlessly. There needs to be a rationale behind that right that applies.
 
Wait, silly as the gun folks are? Silly as the anti gun folks are. No one goes into a screaming hissy fit about Americans And Their Evil Car Culture every time a bus turns over or there is a 40 car pileup. Hit a car full of high school kids and no one blames the SUV - they blame the drunk driving it.

For every other way in which we kill each other, we blame the person and not the tool... until it becomes the one tool that we have to ensure that we the people remain citizens instead of subjects. :thinking THATs silly overreaction. What we are seeing now after Newtown? THAT's overreaction, in the drama and emotion of the moment. Waving around dead children in order to pass long-desired limitation of individual citizens' ability to defend themselves? That's silly at best.

There are some on the gun side overreacting - the idea that this is going to kickstart a "resistance" or an impeachment isn't really tenable. But the side overreacting in unison are the Takers.

I'm sorry CP, but people talk about those things all the time. And that's even when we account for how different those things are than guns. So, no, the side I see the most silliness from are the gun folks. This does not mean there isn't some silliness on the other side, but more a matter of degree. Go over your face book page sometime. See the nonsense being posted by gun folks. I can't find anything matching them.
 
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All of our rights exist on paper, Haymarket. That's why we have a written Constitution.

You are confusing rights which are in a paper Constitution and also are evdient every day of our lives in real action with a fiction on paper that has not played a role in America in many generations.
 
Snort. You do not make public policy for anything.

You can snort all you want. It is part of my job to play in role in the making of public policy. That is what I do for a living.
 
So do you therefore believe that the law should deny the people the possession of militarily effective firearms, such as are carried by the police and standing army?

That is a policy question for the duly elected representatives of the people. There certainly is no Constitutional right to have equal weapons with police and soldiers in the army.
 
Because the desires and motivations of government have changed very little over the centuries.

That is outlined in the Preamble of our Constitution.
 
That is a policy question for the duly elected representatives of the people. There certainly is no Constitutional right to have equal weapons with police and soldiers in the army.

Why do you quote my question and then make a statement that has nothing to do with it?

Do YOU believe that the law should deny the people the possession of militarily effective firearms, such as are carried by the police and standing army?
 
Why do you quote my question and then make a statement that has nothing to do with it?

Do YOU believe that the law should deny the people the possession of militarily effective firearms, such as are carried by the police and standing army?

I answered your question. You did not like the answer. But it was answered.

I would be glad to give you my opinion of any prospective law if you would be good enough to provide me with the proposed bill.

I informed you long ago when you asked similar questions that my position was then and always has been that the devil is in the details and I insist upon reading those details before pontificating about if I support or do not support a particilar piece of legislation.
 
That is outlined in the Preamble of our Constitution.

No, the preamble lists the reasons why We the People created this specific Republic. I'm talking of the historical evolution of governments and how when left unchecked the tend towards tyranny. Government desires power and control, always has. Which is why you must be careful with them and also why revolution is a reserved right and duty of the People.
 
No, the preamble lists the reasons why We the People created this specific Republic. I'm talking of the historical evolution of governments and how when left unchecked the tend towards tyranny. Government desires power and control, always has. Which is why you must be careful with them and also why revolution is a reserved right and duty of the People.


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Because the desires and motivations of government have changed very little over the centuries.

Those desires and motivations are found in the Preamble of the US Constitution. That is exactly what it tells us - the motivation for writing the Constitution and the desires the Founders had for the nation in writing it.


We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
 
Here is your post



Those desires and motivations are found in the Preamble of the US Constitution. That is exactly what it tells us - the motivation for writing the Constitution and the desires the Founders had for the nation in writing it.


We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Those are the desires of We the People who created the Republic, not the desires of government. Clearly.
 
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