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Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

  • Yes, Any further Obama backed Legislation might cause a Civil War.

    Votes: 4 3.7%

  • Maybe, It matters what happens in the near future.

    Votes: 21 19.4%

  • No, The U.S. is not nearing a Civil War.

    Votes: 70 64.8%

  • Somewhat, People like Alex Jones will cause the nation to further split along their opinion lines.

    Votes: 2 1.9%

  • Not Possibly, This is just a small uproar that will soon pass over.

    Votes: 11 10.2%
  • Total voters
    108
  • Poll closed .
code1211 said:
The first and second Amendments. Section One of the Constitution. The Enumerated Powers.
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1st Protects freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of the press, as well as the right to assemble and petition the government. Nope, that hasn't changed are is it on the horizon.

2nd Protects an individual's right to bear arms.

Full auto? Thats been on the books for years. So called assault rifles,really Semi automatics.High Capacity ninety rounder mags?Who needs these for self-defense or hunting?

I have NEVER heard any talk about repealing my,and your conceal carry rights; maybe I move in different circle than you do though.
 
Goshin said:
There are a lot of things piling up, the economy and the debt being two big ones that could knock us into anarchy.

The recent NK act of putting a satellite in orbit means they could potentially set off a nuke over North America and knock out the power grid with an EMP, which would be chaos.

On top of that, I thought Obama's second term would be more of the same, and I didn't believe those who said that in his second term he would go extreme and push crazy crap on the country... but with this talk of him creating new gun control by fiat, by Executive Order, I'm starting to worry what else may be coming down the pike.

There are people who are, right now, watching to see what happens in this latest gun control thing, who are no-fooling-dead-serious prepared to go to war if it goes too far. I'm not talking about ignorant rednecks and loud-mouth fools, I'm talking about deadly dangerous ex-military types.



I sincerely hope it doesn't come to that.
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Yea you have to watch that Y2k crowd. lol

But seriously what do these people think that they are going to do?

But I wouldnt worry about NK shooting anything at us. They would need more than one nuke emp to wide out the entire nations power grid. And so far they havent made any large enough nukes to do much more than wipe out the electronics in one city mush less the entire country. But then they would have to launch from their country then somehow get that launch to slip by without us noticing. But that will never happen since they are under heavy surveillance to detect any launches that were unannounced.

And why would NK do such a thing? Would they not be wiped off the map for even attempting to use a nuke on anyone and even more so on the US? Most likely China would act to stop NK from even thinking about doing something straight out conspiracy theories. In fact the entire idea is laughable.
 
PirateMk1 said:
I am afraid I have been educated to the ways of war the hard way. The lines and sides have a way of becoming blurred.
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No, if a bunch of right wing lunatics decide to declare war on my country, the lines wouldn't be blurred for me any more than they would have been blurred in 1861.
 
Whipsnade said:
1st Protects freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of the press, as well as the right to assemble and petition the government. Nope, that hasn't changed are is it on the horizon.

2nd Protects an individual's right to bear arms.

Full auto? Thats been on the books for years. So called assault rifles,really Semi automatics.High Capacity ninety rounder mags?Who needs these for self-defense or hunting?

I have NEVER heard any talk about repealing my,and your conceal carry rights; maybe I move in different circle than you do though.
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The gun worshippers aren't concerned about hunting or personal protection. They are concerned about being well armed enough to take on the 'jack booted thugs of the dreaded Federal Government'. Yes, we know they're nuts but that's their concern.
 
It would be sad to see people use guns to try to keep the president from doing anything. Al that would happen is cause actual control laws to be imposed and most likely there would be actual public support to keep these idiots of the streets. I mean who exactly are these idiots going to attack?

AT this point the proposal of civil war is jumping the gun by a long shot any violent action would remove the 2nd Amendment and I would blame the radicals on the Right for being stupid and causing the removal of our right to bear arms.


Come on people use some logic. Obama is acting with the excuse that some psychos gave him by using guns in mass shootings. If Right wingers go all nuts and shoot people they will be giving Obama the go ahead to take even more rights away with a new excuse that Right wingers gave them. And really how far do you think these people could get against our military?

I suspect that there would be a lot of dead Right wingers by all was said and done and the the Republican party would fold.
 
BMCM said:
Bolding mine. I seriously doubt there will be very many Military, active or retired that would take part in such a disorganized rag tag operation. Let me ask you, how are you going to know who to shoot. How are you going to get the weapons you'll need. You'll need more then a deer rifle or a few assault rifles. Are you just gonna start shooting at the local police. How are you going to communicate with others. You can't use cell phones, they have GPS and you'll be located pretty quick, Where are you going to hide, where will you put a command post. And of course you know that as soon as you shoot the first police officer, or the first innocent neighbor, or blow up the first building you'll be considered domestic terrorists. At that point you can probably expect a late night visit from a well trained, well armed Seal Team. The best you'll be able to somewhat count are a bunch of fat, lazy ignorant loud mouth rednecks.
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Hey, those guys running around in the woods with their camoflauge uniforms and their semi-automatic rifles look like a real threat to me!:lamo

They'd last about ten minutes against real soldiers, and 9 of those would be taken up finding them.
 
code1211 said:
For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering buying and owning a gun.
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My recommendation: Cabela's: Remington® 870™ Express® Tactical/Home-Defense Shotguns

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ThePlayDrive said:
Nope. The only people who I've heard seriously hypothesize civil war are those who, in their difficultly accepting that Obama won re-election and frustration with his approach to the 2nd amendment, have abandoned the political process solidified by the Constitution they apparently hold dear, think they need to kill people to get their way. In other words, adults with guns are throwing temper tantrums.
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Why don't you check other threads out and see who thinks who should die, its not conservatives from what I've read.
 
I leave in Europe. I've never heard about Alex Jones. Who's this guy? For sure, if he were at the origin of a possible civil war in the USA, we would have his name sometimes in the media over here. So don't worry: not even close.
 
Wiggen said:
No, if a bunch of right wing lunatics decide to declare war on my country, the lines wouldn't be blurred for me any more than they would have been blurred in 1861.
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You're talking a lot of bull**** now, take it down a couple notches.
 
Wiggen said:
Hey, those guys running around in the woods with their camoflauge uniforms and their semi-automatic rifles look like a real threat to me!:lamo

They'd last about ten minutes against real soldiers, and 9 of those would be taken up finding them.
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While I don't believe a civil war is imminent, you presume the military, or all of it, will be on a certain side in this fictional war. Highly doubtful. Just as with our last civil war, there will be highly trained and equipped members of the military on both sides.
 
If we didn't start a widescale insurrection after Ruby Ridge and Waco (OKC bombing notwithstanding), then I doubt that we will have one anytime soon. If we simply regress to a Clinton style "assault weapon" ban, I don't see too much trouble. But as I said in another thread, who knows what Holder's Justice department will choose as the test case to enforce any upcoming legislation, and how seriously the suspects in that case will take the federal encroachment? Because of the bumbling of Reno's Justice department, hopefully Holder has learned lessons and will dot his i's and cross his t's thoroughly before proceeding on an entrenched gun nut...
 
clownboy said:
While I don't believe a civil war is imminent, you presume the military, or all of it, will be on a certain side in this fictional war. Highly doubtful. Just as with our last civil war, there will be highly trained and equipped members of the military on both sides.
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Yeah, you'd get the bad paper guys and the Timothy McVeighs. No doubt about that.
 
Wiggen said:
Yeah, you'd get the bad paper guys and the Timothy McVeighs. No doubt about that.
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Wow, just keep thinking that. Don't let history disabuse you of your notions. :lamo
 
Yes. Obama is secretly encouraging a civil war, and he will use the war to get emergency powers from the Senate, towards the end of the war he will be horribly scarred in an assassination attempt by Seal Team 6 after they learn his secret plan. Once the war is over, he will declare the US to be a Galactic Empire.
 
Well, I think very few serving military personnel would be willing to commit treason against the United States to satisfy some bizarre right wing theory of government.
 
No, people are not willing to fight. Many people these days go to government to solve their problems and think they can fight to get whatever freedom they lost back with the delusion they did so in the past(they didn't) While the people that cry about the second amendment won't do **** and are living in a cloud of stupid. For one, they already allowed their second amendments rights to be cut back and for another they allowed and supported their military to get to the point where they can not in their wildest dreams fight them back. There is a very good argument to be made for not allowing the countries military to get more powerful than the people can destroy, but there isn't much to be said about people that go around saying they want guns to maintain their freedom while supporting the government restricting the possession of military grade equipment and the further expansion of this power difference.
 
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Wiggen said:
Well, I think very few serving military personnel would be willing to commit treason against the United States to satisfy some bizarre right wing theory of government.
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Funny how you goto the 'eViL reich wingers' being the ones against the US government in your fantasy scenerios. And in a true civil war choosing a side is not treason. Changing your mind afterwards and working for the other side is. But even that depends on who eventually 'wins'.
 
Wiggen said:
Well, I think very few serving military personnel would be willing to commit treason against the United States to satisfy some bizarre right wing theory of government.
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Interestingly, the people that fight against a government are usually doing it because of acts by that government. Just sayin'
 
spud_meister said:
Yes. Obama is secretly encouraging a civil war, and he will use the war to get emergency powers from the Senate, towards the end of the war he will be horribly scarred in an assassination attempt by Seal Team 6 after they learn his secret plan. Once the war is over, he will declare the US to be a Galactic Empire.
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You know...you could make a movie out of that! Maybe George Lucas would be interested... :)
 
Goshin said:
If you say so, bud... you must know all about it, so I can heave a sigh of relief and quit worrying now that you've spoken.

Er... who are you, again?
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Your thought process, just like those of the other like minded people stop at the " I'm gonna take up arms" point. There's a lot more involved then just that. You have to have an organized Militia which you don't. You have to have a plan, which you don't, you have to have a planned out objective, which you don't. You have to know whom your targets are, which you don't. Are you ready to destroy your neighborhood or do you have a secret hiding place. The only thing people like you have is talk. You say yu will take on the Gov. if they step too far, where's your point of no return, when do you and your militia stand up. Look at all the rights we've lost over the last several decades. Think Homeland Security, TSA, where's the line for you? I'm really curious, Where's the line for you?

Who am I: I spent 25 years in the U.S.Navy EOD. I've crawled thru the mud,blood and tears. I've planned and executed missions into countries you've never even heard of. I do have a pretty good idea of what I speak. Whats your resume?
 
Henrin said:
Interestingly, the people that fight against a government are usually doing it because of perceived transgressions by that government. Just sayin'
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Since you were making a pretty broad statement, I decided to make it a bit more narrow, and accurate. How many crimes are committed each year by people who think that government has wronged them in a unique and unconstitutional manner, and decide to take it out on government employees? Like police officers.

Sure, I can see cases where armed resistance against a government has been justified, because the people have been oppressed. But in the United States, those who resort to violence because they claim to be oppressed insult oppressed peoples throughout history.
 
Just for grins. The next time you go to the store, or Mall, or just driving down the street or just at your neighbors. Look around you, look at the people. Look at how fat and lazy they are. Watch them walk, do they walk with their heads up looking around at a brisk pace, or do they shuffle along looking down. If you in a grocery store look at what's in their baskets. these people are the militia your gonna put your lives in the hands of.
 
repeter said:
Since you were making a pretty broad statement, I decided to make it a bit more narrow, and accurate. How many crimes are committed each year by people who think that government has wronged them in a unique and unconstitutional manner, and decide to take it out on government employees? Like police officers.
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How do you think you would fight the government at this point? You can very well go face to face against them you know.

Sure, I can see cases where armed resistance against a government has been justified, because the people have been oppressed. But in the United States, those who resort to violence because they claim to be oppressed insult oppressed peoples throughout history.
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Are you aware we are dealing with more than the people that fought the American revolution did? Did they insult all these oppressed people too?
 
It should be noted that, just like the Civil War and the American Revolution, relatively few actually fought for each side. Most of the population was in the stands cheering for their team and booing the other (and suffering from the damage caused in the ruckus).
 
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