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Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?


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There is a fundamental disagreement in this country and the Obama administration has crystalized it.

When the majority figures out that it can vote the wealth away from the wealthy, the wealthy will be no more and we become a banana republic.

Don't worry about the wealthy, they will be just fine living in Canada and Mexico.

In two generations, the world will wonder how the USA was ever the preeminent power in the world. Oh, well, we had a good run.

What are you referring to when you say “fundamental disagreements” that Obama has crystallized?:2wave:
 
All rather unlikely IMO, and anyone who is crazy enough to try and go to war with the government over gun control would not last long, nor have enough numbers, nor support. People's lives will continue, you will still be able to go to the store and buy food, and things would still be normal, so no widespread support would manifest.

One more thing. There are some lines you just dont cross with out repercusion. A lot of people feel that way. Some of those lines are getting close to being crossed. I hope they are not. Nothing good will happen if they are.
 
I voted maybe. When I think of the kinds of things required for one to happen I think they're highly unlikely, but there truly are people fighting for measures that I believe would be crossing the line in the sand for at least 5% of our population. That's more than it took for our first Revolution and more than enough to sway to opinions and gain the support of the tenth man.

To me the chances of a civil war, revolution or American insurgency are about the chances of an outright ban on all firearms for all citizens, with jackbooted thugs kicking in the doors of those who refused the mandatory turn-ins in overwhelming force throughout the country. Or a complete economic collapse, no readily accessible power, food or water. I really cannot imagine either happening in America...
 
When you say things like this, all it does is make you look crazy.

I do not know what excatly you are writing about perhaps you could elberate futher? You took a quote out of context and I am not sure what you are refering to as crazy.
 
I do not know what excatly you are writing about perhaps you could elberate futher? You took a quote out of context and I am not sure what you are refering to as crazy.
In a thread about civil war, you wrote that if "some lines are crossed", "nothing good will happen." Vague references to repercussions in a thread about violence make you look like the crazy one.
 
In a thread about civil war, you wrote that if "some lines are crossed", "nothing good will happen." Vague references to repercussions in a thread about violence make you look like the crazy one.

Do you have lines that if someone crosses them, that you will not tolerate? Will that reaction be good? You can call me crazy all you like but the fact is everybody has a line where they will fight back. You dont back people in a corner and not expect them not to fight, that is insanity. The right to defend oneself is a basic human perogitive if not right.

By the way if you are going to quote me would you be so kind as to do me the same courtesey I did you and provide the whole qoute so people understand what we are discusing.
 
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What are you referring to when you say “fundamental disagreements” that Obama has crystallized?:2wave:



There are people who believe, as I do, that the country should strive as much as possible to not be in debt and that part of the road to this goal is to have rational tax program that while being progressive, demands contributions by all.

There are those who believe that the size of the debt makes no difference and that the need to pay taxes is the responsibility of someone else.

People in the former group take pride in making their own way, paying for their own living and not being a burden on others.

People in the later group demand as a birth right the standard of living that they envy enough to want, but not enough to earn.

Those of us who are never defined as wealthy by any politician, but have worked since they were children and have judiciously saved and planned are just a tad upset that others who lived life like a sailor on the three day leave are demanding that they reap the reward without ever making the sacrifice.

For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering buying and owning a gun. I am worried that there is trouble coming. There is only so much stupid in the world and when it runs out and the rest of the world sees that the Emperor has no clothes, we're screwed.
 
One more thing. There are some lines you just dont cross with out repercusion. A lot of people feel that way. Some of those lines are getting close to being crossed. I hope they are not. Nothing good will happen if they are.

What lines are being close to being crossed?
 
You are so wrong about people not lasting long against the goverment. Iraq and Afghanistan proved that it can be done. Heres the difference, the people that would go up against the government have a lot more know how, an its in our backyard and the people who are in government now would be DIRECTLY targeted. Its one thing to fight a war overseas, its another to fight in and around your homes with your families at stake and targeted. That goes for both sides. Those kind of wars get into the kind of ugly you dont want to know about. One of the first things to go is normalcy. In order for the government to find those people they would have to take away civil liberty. You would not be able to come and go as you please and a whole other lot of bad things. I would not wish it on just anybody.

I think you'd find that in any fight between 'the people' and the Government, if 'the people' are the right wing nutjobs that keep talking about taking up arms against the government, there'd be a lot of 'us people' on the government's side.
 
I think you'd find that in any fight between 'the people' and the Government, if 'the people' are the right wing nutjobs that keep talking about taking up arms against the government, there'd be a lot of 'us people' on the government's side.


And what if they are just regular folk who get sick and tired of being lied to, stolen from and chastised for not bending over a little more willingly?
 
I think you'd find that in any fight between 'the people' and the Government, if 'the people' are the right wing nutjobs that keep talking about taking up arms against the government, there'd be a lot of 'us people' on the government's side.

I am afraid I have been educated to the ways of war the hard way. The lines and sides have a way of becoming blurred.
 
Do you have lines that if someone crosses them, that you will not tolerate? Will that reaction be good? You can call me crazy all you like but the fact is everybody has a line where they will fight back. You dont back people in a corner and not expect them not to fight, that is insanity. The right to defend oneself is a basic human perogitive if not right.

By the way if you are going to quote me would you be so kind as to do me the same courtesey I did you and provide the whole qoute so people understand what we are discusing.
1. If I go in a thread about violence and start talking about repercussions for crossing whatever lines I may have, then you can tell me I look like the crazy one because I will. That probably won't happen though because I'm more interested in using words and votes than guns to get my message across.

2. If people want to see your entire quote, then they can click the blue arrow next to your name and go there themselves. I don't know if you've noticed, but it's a pattern on here than when a person sees a part of a quote that interests them, they single it out and address it specifically. That's what I did. If you're determined to read anything more into that, then that's your problem. I suggest you get over it.
 
You are so wrong about people not lasting long against the goverment. Iraq and Afghanistan proved that it can be done. Heres the difference, the people that would go up against the government have a lot more know how, an its in our backyard and the people who are in government now would be DIRECTLY targeted. Its one thing to fight a war overseas, its another to fight in and around your homes with your families at stake and targeted. That goes for both sides. Those kind of wars get into the kind of ugly you dont want to know about. One of the first things to go is normalcy. In order for the government to find those people they would have to take away civil liberty. You would not be able to come and go as you please and a whole other lot of bad things. I would not wish it on just anybody.

What I was saying is that not enough people would want to go to war over those things. Only a few extremists, and they couldn't do more than bomb a few places, and stuff like that, and would be targeted accordingly. I don't think they would greatly affect our civil liberties, they would be treated just like other domestic terrorists.

Also, if there was a rather large civil war movement in the US, there is a big difference between waging a war against your government if you are in Iraq, and Afghanistan, than trying to do so against the US. The people waging the war against the government wouldn't stand much of a chance, mainly because they wouldn't have access to the drones, and planes, and would have to give up the air, which would stop it dead in it's tracts.
 
There are a lot of things piling up, the economy and the debt being two big ones that could knock us into anarchy.

The recent NK act of putting a satellite in orbit means they could potentially set off a nuke over North America and knock out the power grid with an EMP, which would be chaos.

On top of that, I thought Obama's second term would be more of the same, and I didn't believe those who said that in his second term he would go extreme and push crazy crap on the country... but with this talk of him creating new gun control by fiat, by Executive Order, I'm starting to worry what else may be coming down the pike.

There are people who are, right now, watching to see what happens in this latest gun control thing, who are no-fooling-dead-serious prepared to go to war if it goes too far. I'm not talking about ignorant rednecks and loud-mouth fools, I'm talking about deadly dangerous ex-military types.



I sincerely hope it doesn't come to that.

Bolding mine. I seriously doubt there will be very many Military, active or retired that would take part in such a disorganized rag tag operation. Let me ask you, how are you going to know who to shoot. How are you going to get the weapons you'll need. You'll need more then a deer rifle or a few assault rifles. Are you just gonna start shooting at the local police. How are you going to communicate with others. You can't use cell phones, they have GPS and you'll be located pretty quick, Where are you going to hide, where will you put a command post. And of course you know that as soon as you shoot the first police officer, or the first innocent neighbor, or blow up the first building you'll be considered domestic terrorists. At that point you can probably expect a late night visit from a well trained, well armed Seal Team. The best you'll be able to somewhat count are a bunch of fat, lazy ignorant loud mouth rednecks.
 
What lines are being close to being crossed?

Money, the ability to live as one sees fit, the ability to defend ones self as they see fit, constant interferance are amongst other things. At least to the people I talk to. Me? Well I have never been a team player and I dont quite care what the government does.
 
Bolding mine. I seriously doubt there will be very many Military, active or retired that would take part in such a disorganized rag tag operation. Let me ask you, how are you going to know who to shoot. How are you going to get the weapons you'll need. You'll need more then a deer rifle or a few assault rifles. Are you just gonna start shooting at the local police. How are you going to communicate with others. You can't use cell phones, they have GPS and you'll be located pretty quick, Where are you going to hide, where will you put a command post. And of course you know that as soon as you shoot the first police officer, or the first innocent neighbor, or blow up the first building you'll be considered domestic terrorists. At that point you can probably expect a late night visit from a well trained, well armed Seal Team. The best you'll be able to somewhat count are a bunch of fat, lazy ignorant loud mouth rednecks.


If you say so, bud... you must know all about it, so I can heave a sigh of relief and quit worrying now that you've spoken.

Er... who are you, again?
 
If you say so, bud... you must know all about it, so I can heave a sigh of relief and quit worrying now that you've spoken.

Er... who are you, again?

The fact is the only way someone could take over the government would be for many high ranking military officials, taking a splinter group of soldiers, and fighting against the loyal armed forces, it would not be a civilian thing, that would get shut down right away.
 
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There are people who believe, as I do, that the country should strive as much as possible to not be in debt and that part of the road to this goal is to have rational tax program that while being progressive, demands contributions by all.

Yet for three, out of the last four years the deficit has gone down instead of up. Go figure.:roll:

Did you feel this way when the last administrations budget went from FY 2007: $161 billion, to FY 2009†: $1,413 billion?

There are those who believe that the size of the debt makes no difference and that the need to pay taxes is the responsibility of someone else.

I believe that one of our former Vice Presidents voiced these same feelings did he not?Paraphrasing here,"debt makes no difference "


People in the former group take pride in making their own way, paying for their own living and not being a burden on others.

As well they should.

People in the later group demand as a birth right the standard of living that they envy enough to want, but not enough to earn.


And that's unique to this administration?:shock:


Those of us who are never defined as wealthy by any politician, but have worked since they were children and have judiciously saved and planned are just a tad upset that others who lived life like a sailor on the three day leave are demanding that they reap the reward without ever making the sacrifice.

Who hasn't been making a sacrifice?


For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering buying and owning a gun. I am worried that there is trouble coming. There is only so much stupid in the world and when it runs out and the rest of the world sees that the Emperor has no clothes, we're screwed.

Go get a GUN? How about getting a weapon instead, be it rifle, are a shotgun, if thatta make you feel secure fighting the black helicopters fluttering around in your dome. But if you’re figuring that it will help in overthrowing the Unite States Government, with its drones and REAL Black-hawk helicopters…well, you would be better off moving. Might I suggest Canada; it seems that they have pretty good healthcare.:2wave:
 
It is possible for the US to radically reform without blood being shed. Just something to consider.
 
It is possible for the US to radically reform without blood being shed. Just something to consider.

This is how our government was set up.

Though I do wish we could go back to the days were fistfights were common among the congress, might help things :lol:
 
I like to think that we'd invade Mexico before we implode upon ourselves.
 
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