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Marijuana and IQ Damage

Does Marijuana destroy brain cells?


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Ultimately, however, none of it matters, because your brain is constantly regrowing brain cells. You don't have a limited number of brain cells any more than you have a limited number of hair. (Well I guess some of us do) When cut, it will end up growing back in time.

No, neurons do not regrow. That's why brain and spinal damage are permanent.
 
From what I've gathered, weed doesn't outright kill braincells. It just makes you too lazy to actually use them and they eventually atrophy with disuse.

Possibly relevant.
 
This issue has been discussed more times than I can count, and partisans from both sides of the aisle have painted their sides of the story.

So, what's the truth? Last time I discussed this issue, I used this article:



Cannabis smoking 'permanently lowers IQ' - Telegraph

No one seems to know the number of flip-flops on this issue in regards to marijuana's effect on IQ. What do you think?

I'm not sure on this. most information I have come across in relation to the adverse impacts of cannabis use hasn't mentioned a direct causal link on IQ - however, I believe that due to the impact on memory it habitual users may well have poorer results on IQ tests. Also, long term marijuana use has other adverse mental health impacts which may also influence performance on these tests.

WRT early use of marijuana, the mid - late teens is a crucial period in the psychological development of the young person. If you must use this stuff, please try to defer it until you are in your twenties, or use it only very occasionally.
 
I saw an article once that claimed aging has been shown to permanently lower IQ, too. Just sayin.

Actually, our IQ increases with our age till our 50s or so. Until the point where your brain starts decomposing.
 
This issue has been discussed more times than I can count, and partisans from both sides of the aisle have painted their sides of the story.

So, what's the truth? Last time I discussed this issue, I used this article:



Cannabis smoking 'permanently lowers IQ' - Telegraph

No one seems to know the number of flip-flops on this issue in regards to marijuana's effect on IQ. What do you think?

And just as last time I will point out that the study in question was tainted by the fact that they did not account for the subjects use of other drugs during the study.
 
Hell something as benign as holding your breath kills brain cells. It is a natural part of aging. I don't think weed makes it any worse than just being alive, lol. I would not suggest developing adolescents smoke it, but adults? If that is your thing I have no problem.
 
Hell something as benign as holding your breath kills brain cells. It is a natural part of aging. I don't think weed makes it any worse than just being alive, lol. I would not suggest developing adolescents smoke it, but adults? If that is your thing I have no problem.

Yeah weed is good for you...I cant wait for the next study that says weed is full of antioxidants and will extend life and actually raises IQs and everyone should roll a few fatties a day...after all weed made the USA great...just look at our history its full of pot heads doi making miraculous discoveries...and just look at how super healthy all long term heavy use pot heads are....yes Smoke lots of weed its a win win...lol its amazing what people will say and conjure up to support anything they want and they want it right now...
Nah weed has no ill affects...it will be great to have all of society so inclined whacked on weed all the time...but damnit BAN THOSE CIGARETTES..second hand tabacco smoke kills...but second hand weed smoke is a beautiful aphrodesiac medicinal in content and heals those that inhale it second hand from all the heads.
 
Hell something as benign as holding your breath kills brain cells. It is a natural part of aging. I don't think weed makes it any worse than just being alive, lol. I would not suggest developing adolescents smoke it, but adults? If that is your thing I have no problem.

however, even for adults how the drug is used can be significant.

recreational use is quite different from lifestyle use .... excessive use of any drug can be damaging, including legal drugs. (alcohol is legal, for example, however excessive use of this drug is linked to violence (including family violence), sexual abuse, accidental death and injury, suicide, as well as long term serious health risks) while possibly not as bad, excessive use of marijuana can also be linked to some serious adverse outcomes.

even adults should be mindful of this.

marijuana is linked to psychosis in some cases, however this is usually associated with use at a younger age, and MAY be linked to genetic predisposition to illness.
 
Yeah weed is good for you...I cant wait for the next study that says weed is full of antioxidants and will extend life and actually raises IQs and everyone should roll a few fatties a day...after all weed made the USA great...just look at our history its full of pot heads doi making miraculous discoveries...and just look at how super healthy all long term heavy use pot heads are....yes Smoke lots of weed its a win win...lol its amazing what people will say and conjure up to support anything they want and they want it right now...
Nah weed has no ill affects...it will be great to have all of society so inclined whacked on weed all the time...but damnit BAN THOSE CIGARETTES..second hand tabacco smoke kills...but second hand weed smoke is a beautiful aphrodesiac medicinal in content and heals those that inhale it second hand from all the heads.
1) How many miraculous discoveries have you made period? Sober or not.

2) The best way to use weed is via a vaporizer. There is zero smoke so there is nothing to damage your lungs. Just heated air with THC.

3) How many times have you smoked weed? You seem to be a real expert about it.
 
1) How many miraculous discoveries have you made period? Sober or not.

2) The best way to use weed is via a vaporizer. There is zero smoke so there is nothing to damage your lungs. Just heated air with THC.

3) How many times have you smoked weed? You seem to be a real expert about it.

I never smoked weed...nope never tried it either...but ive arrested dozens up on dozens of heads...and ive been around them enough to know the real truth...truth based on reality....seriously im at the end of the line...nothing changes for me...legalize weed I dont really care...gay marriage I dont care just dont ask me to support those things because I will not...but if they happen so what wont change my last days one iota...but you cant bull**** me either that weed is good for you or its not harmful thats just a damn lie
One more thing..just because you suck on joints doesnt make you an expert on anything not on weed either...just makes you a head
So how do you justify banning cigarettes and wanting to legalize weed...its proven that smoking weed you inhale deeper and weed creates lung disease just like cigarettes...you seemed to have glossed over that.
 
To begin with, I don't use mind altering drugs...except for coffee. That said, I have in past years used many drugs to excess and abusively so. I'm an addictive type person. I dig anything that makes me feel good.

In my humble opinion:

We don't live in glass boxes. Everything we do nearly always has some type of effect on others.

BUT IF WE DON'T LEGALIZE and employ regulated distribution and use for EVERY DRUG known to humankind, societies will never take on the responsibilities of dealing with the issues that revolve around addiction.

The vast majority of people don't and won't use drugs in a self-destructive manner.

There is a trillion dollar business called "Prisons" that sure as hell don't won't drugs legalized. Drug cartels don't want drugs legalized. Our own government loves spending taxpayer money on something called "The War on Drugs" when they clearly know that it is objectively, a complete failure, but it contributes to the employment of a lot of people.

Public fear is what continues to make drug use the systemic problem that it is.

With all of the money associated with illegal drug use...could actually be put into research that helps science discover ways to end addiction problems.

Disclaimer: My opinions are not government or otherwise approved by anybody and are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
 
To begin with, I don't use mind altering drugs...except for coffee. That said, I have in past years used many drugs to excess and abusively so. I'm an addictive type person. I dig anything that makes me feel good.

In my humble opinion:

We don't live in glass boxes. Everything we do nearly always has some type of effect on others.

BUT IF WE DON'T LEGALIZE and employ regulated distribution and use for EVERY DRUG known to humankind, societies will never take on the responsibilities of dealing with the issues that revolve around addiction.

The vast majority of people don't and won't use drugs in a self-destructive manner.

There is a trillion dollar business called "Prisons" that sure as hell don't won't drugs legalized. Drug cartels don't want drugs legalized. Our own government loves spending taxpayer money on something called "The War on Drugs" when they clearly know that it is objectively, a complete failure, but it contributes to the employment of a lot of people.

Public fear is what continues to make drug use the systemic problem that it is.

With all of the money associated with illegal drug use...could actually be put into research that helps science discover ways to end addiction problems.

Disclaimer: My opinions are not government or otherwise approved by anybody and are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

it is pretty clear that current strategies don't work.

quite possibly you are right. what percentage of the population are alcoholics? alcohol is a more addictive drug than marijuana.

drug abuse is a health issue rather than a legal issue. having some degree of control over supply may well be an effective form of harm minimization, although better mental health care may also prevent people developing dependencies in the first place.

the us has an incarceration rate higher than any other country - and a lot of the prison population is in there over drug offences.

something isn't working.
 
They tried to control addiction in the 70s when they stuck methadon clinics in every major city that incorporated the handing out of free legalized drugs along with counseling...IT FAILED MISERABLY...it was like collecting unemployment...you had to go to the counselor tell them what you did since the day before you got your free fix to get your next free fix.
Then all of a sudden they realized they had methadon addicts running around, drinking cough medicine and buying illegal cebas off the street to enhance and extend their artificial heroin high of methadon.
Then guess what happened next ? they started selling meth on the street illegally....this assertion that someone legalizing drugs is going to minimize addiction is crap and its just going to make it easier to get and easier to start using for people who dont who may be inclined. Many weed smokers are cross addicts
I get a real kick out of anything that a group wants access too how all of a sudden it miraculously becomes good for you and they conjure up all these reasons WHY its better for society....lol...
Yet the govt spent billions on its war against cigarette smoking and that was ok...and they want cigarettes banned as a health issue yet somehow weed smoke isnt....lets legalize peyote too..

To the person that said alchohol is addictive as weed that is total nonesense....millions of people everyday drink a glass of wine with dinner and thats it...or have a beer with lunch they dont get high and they dont have to have it...but weeds one and only purpose is to get you stoned...there is no inbetween there is no smoking weed in moderation...its either straight or whacked..
 
it is pretty clear that current strategies don't work.

quite possibly you are right. what percentage of the population are alcoholics? alcohol is a more addictive drug than marijuana.

drug abuse is a health issue rather than a legal issue. having some degree of control over supply may well be an effective form of harm minimization, although better mental health care may also prevent people developing dependencies in the first place.

the us has an incarceration rate higher than any other country - and a lot of the prison population is in there over drug offences.

something isn't working.

What? Drug abuse is a personal responsibility issue. Personal responsibility is not a medical/mental health issue. This is the biggest problem of a secular, "me first" society. Signs, warnings and laws are useless to stop speeders on our roadways for those that will NEVER think of the danger that they place themselves (and others) in as they decide that, since leaving earlier is no longer an option, driving faster is OK (just this once and I am such a careful driver). The same "me first" and I am "smarter than the average bear" attitude allows morons to assure themselves that they are above any substance abuse problems; once "jooked" then they want somrone (other than themselves) ans their moronic "me first" attitude to blame. Show me some "proof" that use of weed, booze, tobacco or any other "recreational drug" is a "mental health" problem? Are all users of these recreational drugs "mentally ill" or perhaps are some, with no personal responsibility and self control, simply looking for a "boogie man" to pin their troubles on?
 
I never smoked weed...nope never tried it either...but ive arrested dozens up on dozens of heads...and ive been around them enough to know the real truth...truth based on reality....seriously im at the end of the line...nothing changes for me...legalize weed I dont really care...gay marriage I dont care just dont ask me to support those things because I will not...but if they happen so what wont change my last days one iota...but you cant bull**** me either that weed is good for you or its not harmful thats just a damn lie
One more thing..just because you suck on joints doesnt make you an expert on anything not on weed either...just makes you a head
So how do you justify banning cigarettes and wanting to legalize weed...its proven that smoking weed you inhale deeper and weed creates lung disease just like cigarettes...you seemed to have glossed over that.
How do I justify banning cigarettes? I have never in my entire life ever said that I want to ban cigarettes. What the hell are you talking about?

Weed, or tobacco, or anything, when consumed via vaporizer, which I explained to you last post, does not create smoke, and as such does not damage your lungs. Your ignorance on the subject as an alleged cop or whatever it is you are is astounding.

To the person that said alchohol is addictive as weed that is total nonesense....millions of people everyday drink a glass of wine with dinner and thats it...or have a beer with lunch they dont get high and they dont have to have it...but weeds one and only purpose is to get you stoned...there is no inbetween there is no smoking weed in moderation...its either straight or whacked..

Man you don't even bother yourself to read up on the effects of weed, do you? You seem to fundamentally lack all understanding of how it works. The effects of weed, just like alcohol, vary based on how much of it you consume. Just how you can be a little buzzed from alcohol, you can be a little high. You can be very drunk, and you can be very high.

It is unbelievably similar to alcohol, you just don't like the comparison because that would make you as bad as the people you hate so much.
 
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How do I justify banning cigarettes? I have never in my entire life ever said that I want to ban cigarettes. What the hell are you talking about?

Weed, or tobacco, or anything, when consumed via vaporizer, which I explained to you last post, does not create smoke, and as such does not damage your lungs. Your ignorance on the subject as an alleged cop or whatever it is you are is astounding.



Man you don't even bother yourself to read up on the effects of weed, do you? You seem to fundamentally lack all understanding of how it works. The effects of weed, just like alcohol, vary based on how much of it you consume. Just how you can be a little buzzed from alcohol, you can be a little high. You can be very drunk, and you can be very high.

It is unbelievably similar to alcohol, you just don't like the comparison because that would make you as bad as the people you hate so much.

First of all I wasnt intending the cigarette ban with just you...so I guess we should hand out free vaporizers and have training class's on the safe way to smoke weed in school once its legalized ?

It is unbelievably similar to alcohol, you just don't like the comparison because that would make you as bad as the people you hate so much.[/QUOTE]

Now I hate weed smokers ? Lmaorofl...ahhh lets see...I hate homosexuals because im against gay marriage and now I hate weed smokers because i dont want it legalized...lol...Wow im on a roll, I gotta figure out who im going to hate next.
Alcohol and weed arent even CLOSE to being the same thing.....once again you can drink everyday and never get high or impaired...you cant smoke weed without getting whacked...
 
First of all I wasnt intending the cigarette ban with just you...so I guess we should hand out free vaporizers and have training class's on the safe way to smoke weed in school once its legalized ?

It is unbelievably similar to alcohol, you just don't like the comparison because that would make you as bad as the people you hate so much.

Now I hate weed smokers ? Lmaorofl...ahhh lets see...I hate homosexuals because im against gay marriage and now I hate weed smokers because i dont want it legalized...lol...Wow im on a roll, I gotta figure out who im going to hate next.
Alcohol and weed arent even CLOSE to being the same thing.....once again you can drink everyday and never get high or impaired...you cant smoke weed without getting whacked...[/QUOTE]

Yes you can.

You are displaying a disturbing ignorance on this subject.

MOST adult smokers i know only get "whacked" occasionally, even though they may smoke.every day. And getting "whacked", even at California potencies, requires an actual effort for anyone who.smokes regularly. Several hits, not just one or two.

Your arguments sound foolish to anyone who actually smokes or is actually familiar with those who do.

Pots not a universal panacea. But its less harmful than alcohol by any metric you care to examine. Even LE has shifted to "Lets not add another substance to the legal mix. We have enough trouble with alcohol already.". Even they don't try to use the old canards anymore.
 
Now I hate weed smokers ? Lmaorofl...ahhh lets see...I hate homosexuals because im against gay marriage and now I hate weed smokers because i dont want it legalized...lol...Wow im on a roll, I gotta figure out who im going to hate next.
Alcohol and weed arent even CLOSE to being the same thing.....once again you can drink everyday and never get high or impaired...you cant smoke weed without getting whacked...

Yes you can.

You are displaying a disturbing ignorance on this subject.

MOST adult smokers i know only get "whacked" occasionally, even though they may smoke.every day. And getting "whacked", even at California potencies, requires an actual effort for anyone who.smokes regularly. Several hits, not just one or two.

Your arguments sound foolish to anyone who actually smokes or is actually familiar with those who do.

Pots not a universal panacea. But its less harmful than alcohol by any metric you care to examine. Even LE has shifted to "Lets not add another substance to the legal mix. We have enough trouble with alcohol already.". Even they don't try to use the old canards anymore.[/QUOTE]

You are disturbingly trying to BS me...whacked in my definition is high or mentally or physically incapacitated to any degree any one that smokes weed is that..to different degrees. That is the sole purpose of smoking weed.
You cant smoke an after dinner joint and not get high....you can have a joint with lunch or for lunch and not get high and to try say anything different is nonesense...
Whats really foolish is you trying to dress me down with an ridiculous argument thats absolutely NOT TRUE.
Listen what if...alcoholics drink straight vodka and go to work and APPEAR not to be drunk...they are STONED you build somewhat of a tolerance with constant daily heavy drinking that requires you to drink larger amounts to get the same affect..not falling over your feet and slurring your words does not mean SOBER and the same goes for heavy weed smokers..
No matter how you try to denigrate what ive said you cant change FACT..the fact that alcohol can be used DAILY in moderation and is by millions of people without any change of motor ability or psyche that why there is a ALCOHOL level for driving...you are not impaired until you reach that level...there is NO SUCH level for weed because you either smoke it or you dont...if you do your impaired and if weed was legal there would be no such barometer to determine driving impairment...it would be the same you either smoked weed and drove or you did not....so please dont give your self righteous I know everything and your a dumbass routine ok..people that disagree with you can be right...lets not make this personal.
 
Yes you can.

You are displaying a disturbing ignorance on this subject.

MOST adult smokers i know only get "whacked" occasionally, even though they may smoke.every day. And getting "whacked", even at California potencies, requires an actual effort for anyone who.smokes regularly. Several hits, not just one or two.

Your arguments sound foolish to anyone who actually smokes or is actually familiar with those who do.

Pots not a universal panacea. But its less harmful than alcohol by any metric you care to examine. Even LE has shifted to "Lets not add another substance to the legal mix. We have enough trouble with alcohol already.". Even they don't try to use the old canards anymore.

You are disturbingly trying to BS me...whacked in my definition is high or mentally or physically incapacitated to any degree any one that smokes weed is that..to different degrees. That is the sole purpose of smoking weed.
You cant smoke an after dinner joint and not get high....you can have a joint with lunch or for lunch and not get high and to try say anything different is nonesense...
Whats really foolish is you trying to dress me down with an ridiculous argument thats absolutely NOT TRUE.
Listen what if...alcoholics drink straight vodka and go to work and APPEAR not to be drunk...they are STONED you build somewhat of a tolerance with constant daily heavy drinking that requires you to drink larger amounts to get the same affect..not falling over your feet and slurring your words does not mean SOBER and the same goes for heavy weed smokers..
No matter how you try to denigrate what ive said you cant change FACT..the fact that alcohol can be used DAILY in moderation and is by millions of people without any change of motor ability or psyche that why there is a ALCOHOL level for driving...you are not impaired until you reach that level...there is NO SUCH level for weed because you either smoke it or you dont...if you do your impaired and if weed was legal there would be no such barometer to determine driving impairment...it would be the same you either smoked weed and drove or you did not....so please dont give your self righteous I know everything and your a dumbass routine ok..people that disagree with you can be right...lets not make this personal.[/QUOTE]

Nonsense.

The fact that there is.currently no accurate method of chemically determining impairment with pot does NOT mean that a single hit "impairs" any body any more than a single drink.

The lack of this technology has been used as a reason to NOT legalize.

And the alcohol tolerance you mention is the same mechanism that functions in regular smokers.

Theres lots of legitimate issues concerning this societies relationship to pot.

Your.assessments are purely personal and are not supported by observable reality.
 
You are disturbingly trying to BS me...whacked in my definition is high or mentally or physically incapacitated to any degree any one that smokes weed is that..to different degrees. That is the sole purpose of smoking weed.
You cant smoke an after dinner joint and not get high....you can have a joint with lunch or for lunch and not get high and to try say anything different is nonesense...
Whats really foolish is you trying to dress me down with an ridiculous argument thats absolutely NOT TRUE.
Listen what if...alcoholics drink straight vodka and go to work and APPEAR not to be drunk...they are STONED you build somewhat of a tolerance with constant daily heavy drinking that requires you to drink larger amounts to get the same affect..not falling over your feet and slurring your words does not mean SOBER and the same goes for heavy weed smokers..
No matter how you try to denigrate what ive said you cant change FACT..the fact that alcohol can be used DAILY in moderation and is by millions of people without any change of motor ability or psyche that why there is a ALCOHOL level for driving...you are not impaired until you reach that level...there is NO SUCH level for weed because you either smoke it or you dont...if you do your impaired and if weed was legal there would be no such barometer to determine driving impairment...it would be the same you either smoked weed and drove or you did not....so please dont give your self righteous I know everything and your a dumbass routine ok..people that disagree with you can be right...lets not make this personal.

Nonsense.

The fact that there is.currently no accurate method of chemically determining impairment with pot does NOT mean that a single hit "impairs" any body any more than a single drink.

The lack of this technology has been used as a reason to NOT legalize.

And the alcohol tolerance you mention is the same mechanism that functions in regular smokers.

Theres lots of legitimate issues concerning this societies relationship to pot.

Your.assessments are purely personal and are not supported by observable reality.[/QUOTE]


You have failed again...you cannot dispute than any person can have a drink or two and not be in any way psychologically or physically impaired....that is NOT the case with smoking weed...you either smoke it or you dont. You can dance around that all you want but you cant make it go away.
 
They tried to control addiction in the 70s when they stuck methadon clinics in every major city that incorporated the handing out of free legalized drugs along with counseling...IT FAILED MISERABLY...it was like collecting unemployment...you had to go to the counselor tell them what you did since the day before you got your free fix to get your next free fix.
Then all of a sudden they realized they had methadon addicts running around, drinking cough medicine and buying illegal cebas off the street to enhance and extend their artificial heroin high of methadon.
Then guess what happened next ? they started selling meth on the street illegally....this assertion that someone legalizing drugs is going to minimize addiction is crap and its just going to make it easier to get and easier to start using for people who dont who may be inclined. Many weed smokers are cross addicts
I get a real kick out of anything that a group wants access too how all of a sudden it miraculously becomes good for you and they conjure up all these reasons WHY its better for society....lol...
Yet the govt spent billions on its war against cigarette smoking and that was ok...and they want cigarettes banned as a health issue yet somehow weed smoke isnt....lets legalize peyote too..

To the person that said alchohol is addictive as weed that is total nonesense....millions of people everyday drink a glass of wine with dinner and thats it...or have a beer with lunch they dont get high and they dont have to have it...but weeds one and only purpose is to get you stoned...there is no inbetween there is no smoking weed in moderation...its either straight or whacked..

millions of people smoke dope and aren't addicted.

where addiction issues arise, regardless of the drug, it is a health issue.

the issue of dealing with addicts (as in the methadone situation you refer to) may depend on a number of other factors.

regardless of what the drug is, you need to take a comprehensive approach to addressing the problem, not a bandaid approach.
 
millions of people smoke dope and aren't addicted.

where addiction issues arise, regardless of the drug, it is a health issue.

the issue of dealing with addicts (as in the methadone situation you refer to) may depend on a number of other factors.

regardless of what the drug is, you need to take a comprehensive approach to addressing the problem, not a bandaid approach.

psychological addiction is stronger than physical addiction...
 
psychological addiction is stronger than physical addiction...

yes it may well be - and especially for some people/drugs - but why is that relevant to what I said?
 
You have failed again...you cannot dispute than any person can have a drink or two and not be in any way psychologically or physically impaired....that is NOT the case with smoking weed...you either smoke it or you dont. You can dance around that all you want but you cant make it go away.

lpast, are you seriously asserting that there are no gradients of intoxication with marijuana, only binary states of stoned/not-stoned? That one cigarette smoker's puff intoxicates just as heavily as smoking an entire Snoop Dog sized blunt?

That's absurd. Stoners will often take only a single hit to ease stress and/or avoid withdrawal, yet remain lucid enough to function unimpaired. In the appropriate venues, I've often indulged to the point of insensate intoxication, yet moderated my inebriation while indulging in more cerebral recreational activities. (i.e. getting torn up when playing a button mashing game of Mario Party versus a few puffs while playing chess)

I think your personal experience with a one beer lunch is entirely an artifact of sanctions against marijuana. Alcohol use isn't exactly laudable, but there is no great consternation against the occasional dalliance. Marijuana is illegal (and you freakin' work in law enforcement), creating great pressure to avoid similar disclosure.

What would your opinion of alcohol be if everyone took pains to hide their one beer at lunch and you only noticed alcohol intoxication when it reached intemperate levels?
 
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