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I picked other, because of course it is. But I think its fine.
I don't trust indoctrination either, and I'm not a POA fan.
Therefore, the Christian Socialist created something I don't agree with.
Well, I guess there goes one of the few things I can agree with most socialists on, huh?
Therefore
Was written by a radical Christian Socialist Francis Bellamy in 1892 who wanted to usher in a Christian Socialist Utopia. Also like our money the "under god" wasn't included in until the 50's.
Here is a photo of students reciting the Pledge in 1941, you will see the close resemblance to that of the National Socialists in Germany. Yes it's all about indoctrination and brainwashing of the Herd, those who think for themselves are a threat to the "Herd".
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No it is not. Its no different than singing the national anthem or looking at the flag. its a nationalistic gesture and is part of any society
It makes sense. Socialists hate America, and Libertarians hate jingoism. Stands to reason that they'd both hate American jingoism.
Why do people say these things, why do they spread these lies ??
Socialists do NOT hate America...of course, there are exceptions..
But they do abhor extremism and imperialism....
And it was modified to hand over the heart. Without the Hitler connotation, your "spooky" connection would have no impact.
No "Spooky" connection, just the reality of the foundation and intention of the pledge.
Right, because since Hitler adopts a salute much later, the gesture is therefore bad.
It's obvious you just don't get it,
I suggest doing a bit of research on Frances Bellamy and his goals of bringing about a Socialist Ethiopia. Bellamy was also a self-proclaimed national socialist and a member of the "Nationalism" movement and a vice president of its socialist auxiliary group, whose members wanted the federal government to nationalize the American economy. Also take a look at his cousin author Edward Bellamy and his work, he wrote a number of socialist novels and was popular in his day.
You mean the image that happened to be on Wikipedia? No thanks. You're still doing this from a simplistic and ridiculous set of standards.
Aaaah no, just do a simple google on Frances Bellamy, as I said stated along with his cousin Edward. There's a lot of information out there and a simple google will give you a clue.
I did that ages ago, which was my criticism. The internet makes fools out of people. What I am saying is you're being simple-minded about it. It's great, you found a connection with fascism and a hand gesture, good job. That's the first thing people usually spout off. The problem is it largely predates the whole spooky side-effect by generations, and the State has employed it with a wholly different purpose. It does not erode its benevolent and utilitarian features of nationalism.
So stating you should check the background of Bellamy and research him and his cousin as being radical socialists who's goals where to bring about a Socilast Utipia to the U.S. is being simplistic? aaaah OK if you say so
Planned Parenthood was built specifically to engage in eugenics. Planned Parenthood is a good group now, practically harmless. I've moved beyond that little factoid. You should too.
Very little, as it turns out. From its inception, in 1892, the Pledge has been a slavish ritual of devotion to the state, wholly inappropriate for a free people. It was written by Francis Bellamy, a Christian Socialist pushed out of his post as a Baptist minister for delivering pulpit-pounding sermons on such topics as “Jesus the Socialist.” Bellamy was devoted to the ideas of his more-famous cousin Edward Bellamy, author of the 1888 utopian novel Looking Backward. Looking Backward describes the future United States as a regimented worker’s paradise where everyone has equal incomes, and men are drafted into the country’s “industrial army” at the age of 21, serving in the jobs assigned them by the state. Bellamy’s novel was extremely popular, selling more copies than other any 19th century American novel except Uncle Tom’s Cabin. Bellamy’s book inspired a movement of “Nationalist Clubs,” whose members campaigned for a government takeover of the economy. A few years before he wrote the Pledge of Allegiance, Francis Bellamy became a founding member of Boston’s first Nationalist Club.
Was a simple question, the subject of this poll. I just happen to agree that yes it's "indoctrination" and "brainwashing" along with knowing the foundation of the purpose and why the pledge was created in the first place. Knowing the foundation of something is the basis of understanding, you see I'm not one to take things at face value or "parrot" what I'm told. A good dose of skepticism is very healthy and I only wish more people would practice it.
Also here's a good piece about the Pledge from Cato -
What's Conservative about the Pledge of Allegiance? | Cato Institute
Nice snippet from the article
Just because it's written by a socialist or another reason?
So here's what we have. An independent thinker, who truly just replaces the blind patriotism of the flock and replaces it with the posture of an innocence-lost perspective (even though they think they somehow have taken the Red pill). So, to further this analysis, we are provided with a libertarian critique of the Pledge on grounds that wish to reclaim what it considers the meaning of "conservative" (although, this enterprise is not without its own follies) by "shocking" so-called conservatives into believing that their universe is all wrong and quick...jump to the other side immediately. Those already knowing of Bellamy's socialist past, but perhaps unswayed by the shock gathered by those who recently discovered this "awful truth" are once again reminded how "ignorant" they are.
So, tell me, Pagan, how is this any different from what I already know, and why it is you think I am still needing to be educated. Perhaps you'll shock me next with the revelation that the women's suffragettes were xenophobic?
I fail to see how forced indoctrination is a good thing
Yet, you worship Cuba.
I "worship" Cuba?