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Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Guns?

Will criminals still get guns?


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Do you believe that criminals will still have access to guns if a law is enacted to take guns away from law abiding citizens?

Yes or No

No 'maybe's' or 'sometimes' or 'I don't know's'

This one is as incisive as can be.
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

Will a mod please allow me to include my poll?

Otherwise, would you create a poll for me?

" Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Guns?"

Yes

No

Thanks in advance.

Marsden
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

Of course they will. They don't typically obtain them by legal means.
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

Every criminal was once a good guy until, well, they changed. So, if you take away the guns from the good guys, there won't be any more criminals. Problem solved.
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Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

No, if only because we already have millions of guns floating around. Banning the sale of guns won't destroy those that were already sold.

No politician is stupid enough to suggest an outright gun ban, though, so chill out.
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

Is there a point to this thread, Marsden, besides serving as a center for right-wing anti-government tirades, and ridiculous hypothetical situations?
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

It is impossible to ban the sale of anything. The sale of items can only be outlawed.

Over 100,000,000 Americans have smoked pot. For all of them, doing so was illegal.

It would make guns more expensive, but then I think we all understand who liberals mostly want to disarm are poor people.
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

Do you believe that criminals will still have access to guns if a law is enacted to take guns away from law abiding citizens?

Yes or No

No 'maybe's' or 'sometimes' or 'I don't know's'

This one is as incisive as can be.

Depends, if it does nothing to reduce the number of guns in society then it will have no affect and Criminals will still get guns. If it's at the end of a massive and thorough confiscation policy which drastically reduces the number of guns in the country; then yes it will reduce (perhaps not eliminate in full) the number of criminals getting guns.
 
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Is there a point to this thread, Marsden, besides serving as a center for right-wing anti-government tirades, and ridiculous hypothetical situations?

Yes. The point is that I'm tired of repeatedly preparing and posting posts which assume the gun control fans are stupid.

I want some assurance they are aware that bad guys will always be able to get guns and that by banning guns for everybody only the bad guys will have guns. Then, they will be better able to shoot the good guys.

If we can get past this elementary understanding then maybe real progress might be made in this ongoing debate.
 
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Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

Do you believe that criminals will still have access to guns if a law is enacted to take guns away from law abiding citizens?

Yes or No

No 'maybe's' or 'sometimes' or 'I don't know's'

This one is as incisive as can be.

well someone posted a picture of a woman that said this

she smokes pot

she thinks gun bans will stop criminals from having guns
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

No, if only because we already have millions of guns floating around. Banning the sale of guns won't destroy those that were already sold.

No politician is stupid enough to suggest an outright gun ban, though, so chill out.
Diane Feinswine and a GOP judge both want complete confiscation of the stuff called "assault weapons"

those who think gun bans will stop crime would probably support a complete gun ban if you asked them while having them attached to a car battery. The only reason they don't admit it now is that they now being honest would retard their agenda
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

Is there a point to this thread, Marsden, besides serving as a center for right-wing anti-government tirades, and ridiculous hypothetical situations?

sort of like your claims that the purpose of gun control is the collective good?
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

Depends, if it does nothing to reduce the number of guns in society then it will have no affect and Criminals will still get guns. If it's at the end of a massive and thorough confiscation policy which drastically reduces the number of guns in the country; then yes it will reduce (perhaps not eliminate in full) the number of criminals getting guns.



That.

There are already around 300 million guns in America. Many, perhaps most, are not registered or there is no current paperwork tying them to their current owner. Stats on Canada and Australia's gun registration/confiscation activities suggest low compliance... in America it would undoubtably be lower still.

In brief, even with a total ban it is very likely most of those 300 million guns would NOT be turned in.

To have any significant effect on criminals ability to get guns, you'd have to go full-on police state with house-to-house searches... either without warrants or with warrants issued without probable cause in many cases. Cops and agents would spend millions of man hours walking through fields and woods with metal detectors looking for buried gun caches. It would take truly draconian Police State measures over the course of quite a few years to even put a major dent in the number of guns floating around in America.

Short of such drastic action, no you're not going to significantly reduce the availability of guns to criminals... just make criminals of formerly honest people.
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

Yes. The point is that I'm tired of repeatedly preparing and posting posts which assume the gun control fans are stupid.

I want some assurance they are aware that bad guys will always be able to get guns and that by banning guns for everybody only the bad guys will have guns. Then, they will be better able to shoot the good guys.

If we can get past this elementary understanding then maybe real progress might be made in this ongoing debate.

I think if you're talking to someone who doesn't come into the conversation with this understanding, you're much better off talking to a wall, at least it'll crumble over time. The extremes on both sides are not worth talking to and not even worth our contempt.
 
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sort of like your claims that the purpose of gun control is the collective good?

My claim that gun control can decrease gun violence is comparable to a right-wing anti-government tirade/ridiculous hypothetical situation?

If there weren't facts to back up my position, I might agree it is just as baseless. Sadly, for you, it's not.
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

That.

There are already around 300 million guns in America. Many, perhaps most, are not registered or there is no current paperwork tying them to their current owner. Stats on Canada and Australia's gun registration/confiscation activities suggest low compliance... in America it would undoubtably be lower still.

In brief, even with a total ban it is very likely most of those 300 million guns would NOT be turned in.

To have any significant effect on criminals ability to get guns, you'd have to go full-on police state with house-to-house searches... either without warrants or with warrants issued without probable cause in many cases. Cops and agents would spend millions of man hours walking through fields and woods with metal detectors looking for buried gun caches. It would take truly draconian Police State measures over the course of quite a few years to even put a major dent in the number of guns floating around in America.

Short of such drastic action, no you're not going to significantly reduce the availability of guns to criminals... just make criminals of formerly honest people.

most cops would quit-that would be a death sentence to have to do a job like that.

when cincinnati required people to register "assault weapons" in order not to be in violation of the ban less than 100 were registered. I have personal knowledge of at least several thousand such weapons being owned in the city limits
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

My claim that gun control can decrease gun violence is comparable to a right-wing anti-government tirade/ridiculous hypothetical situation?

If there weren't facts to back up my position, I might agree it is just as baseless. Sadly, for you, it's not.

you have no facts to back up your position. anti gun groups tried to prove that the clinton gun laws saved lives the best that could be established is that suicides among one group of men (50-55 IIRC) MAY have decreased due to the Brady waiting period. as to the AWB-zero evidence
 
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you have no facts to back up your position. anti gun groups tried to prove that the clinton gun laws saved lives the best that could be established is that suicides among one group of men (50-55 IIRC) MAY have decreased due to the Brady waiting period. as to the AWB-zero evidence

There is a definite difference from having no facts, and having your facts ignored by an arrogant opponent. As it is, I'd like to see a source for your claim. Besides your vaunted experience, friend. Your experience means nothing here. If you don't understand that, well, I don't know what to tell you.
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

Every criminal was once a good guy until, well, they changed. So, if you take away the guns from the good guys, there won't be any more criminals. Problem solved.
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What? There are 300 million+ guns in the USA, so every criminal can have 3,000 of them yet, somehow, that does not occur. That is akin to saying that every alcoholic started life by drinking milk. While probably true, that it is correlation and not causation. Try again. ;)
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

To what extent do the people visiting this thread wish to control gun ownership? (of those who favor controlling gun ownership, that is)
 
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Meh, there would obviously be new laws enacted after guns are turned in, to prevent the further use of any weapons which haven't been accounted for.

This is never going to be a simple yea or nay question.

Say for example, if a new law enacted would allow for castration or the chopping off of a hand for anyone found with an illegal weapon.

There are lots of variables IMO.
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

What? There are 300 million+ guns in the USA, so every criminal can have 3,000 of them yet, somehow, that does not occur. That is akin to saying that every alcoholic started life by drinking milk. While probably true, that it is correlation and not causation. Try again. ;)

I'm pretty damn sure he was joking...
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

Meh, there would obviously be new laws enacted after guns are turned in, to prevent the further use of any weapons which haven't been accounted for.

This is never going to be a simple yea or nay question.

Say for example, if a new law enacted would allow for castration or the chopping off of a hand for anyone found with an illegal weapon.

There are lots of variables IMO.

Jeez, don't say that! People will think you're serious, and then proceed to tell us how in their great and long experience, castration and...dehandment...have never worked in stopping illegal gun ownership. Well, at least someone will :roll:

Worse, others will think all Democrats want to introduce legislation to that effect.
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

Meh, there would obviously be new laws enacted after guns are turned in, to prevent the further use of any weapons which haven't been accounted for.

This is never going to be a simple yea or nay question.

Say for example, if a new law enacted would allow for castration or the chopping off of a hand for anyone found with an illegal weapon.

There are lots of variables IMO.


Some country, I think it is Indonesia, already mandates the Death Penalty for being found with the tiniest amount of narcotics.

Guess what? :mrgreen:

(Yup, they still have drugs...)
 
Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

To what extent do the people visiting this thread wish to control gun ownership? (of those who favor controlling gun ownership, that is)

Like pretty much everyone here (except those stubborn enough to say they already know), I'd like to see some comprehensive studies conducted. Ideally, they'll take into provide recommendations for areas of different demographics and population densities (you can't compare hicksville Montana to Chicago or LA). Based on that, I'd like to see legislation, and I'm sure there would be legislation of some type, because we have far too much gun violence at present to not do anything.

Right now, I personally advocate reduction/elimination of weapons that exceed those required for self-defense and hunting (you don't need an AR-15 for hunting game). At the same time, I'd like to see California and New York become shall-issue states for concealed carry permits, and I'd like to see most states decrease the requirements for a concealed weapons permit (I don't know what they are at present, state-by-state, but concealed firearms are largely beneficial).

I do not think we need to put guns at schools, in the form of armed guards (there was one at Columbine, by the way). I would be okay with removing most no-gun areas, with the exception of places like courts.
 
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