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Lying cops...

Should cops be allowed to lie when interrogating someone?


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I was questioned recently about someone I knew (worked with) 3 years ago. Would it have been alright for the police to lie to me?
Perception IS reality, mak. So far as I'm concerned, if the police have a reason to question you, you're guilty of grand stupidity if nothing else.
 
So far as I'm concerned, if the police have a reason to question you, you're guilty of grand stupidity if nothing else.
You realize that close friends and family members of murder victims are often questioned just as a matter of routine, right? You also realize that a guilty person might accuse a completely innocent person while being interrogated, right? There are plenty of situations in which innocent people might be questioned that having nothing to do with "grand stupidity".
 
Police should be able to say anything they want to try and get a person to confess! If you know your rights and how the justice system works, then you should know when a police officer is lying or not! Just remember that anything a cop says you should ask for proof. If they say your friend confessed then you ask to see the written confession. If they say they can cut you a deal then say you want to hear it from the prosecutor or see a piece of paper that says that. The law is all about physical evidence so whatever an officer says can be hot air! Plus don't forget you can ask for a lawyer before the cop can even question you!

I do think there are corrupt cops out there but if you are being questioned you can protect yourself by knowing your rights and their limits!
 
The tactics of the police are tempered by the constitution and rights of the individual. If an individual is properly read their Miranda rights, where they are not denied of their right to counsel and to silence and where their rights to unlawful search and seizure are not violated, deceptive interrogation tactics are pretty much irrelevant. Its a dance the police have to engage in with the criminals. Seldom does X mark the spot and is there clear undeniable evidence. The police have to be able to engage in a little bit of trickery.
 
Thanks Kalstang seriously I got a real chuckle out of this....cops always lie lol...just criminals perpetrators lawyers teapartiers and liberals dont...such filthy vile sub humans those damn cops are lol...
 
Of course they should be allowed to lie. There is no need to be honorable to the dishonorable, and criminals are dishonorable by definition.

The problem being that not everyone the police interrogate is guilty of a crime.
 
Why do liberals hate the police so much?

This is a fairly stupid retort and does nothing to address the question posed.
 
Should cops be allowed to lie when interrogating someone for a crime?

No, they should not be, lying should be instead viewed as a type of police coercion as it is essentially police coercion. Is it an absolute? Maybe not, perchance there are conditions under which cops need to lie in an interrogation. I have a hard time imagining what that condition could be; but there would need to be severe restrictions on when that could be exercised and under most cases the lying police do is to increase stress, confuse, and coerce confession. And for that dynamic, it cannot be allowed.
 
No, they should not be, lying should be instead viewed as a type of police coercion as it is essentially police coercion. Is it an absolute? Maybe not, perchance there are conditions under which cops need to lie in an interrogation. I have a hard time imagining what that condition could be; but there would need to be severe restrictions on when that could be exercised and under most cases the lying police do is to increase stress, confuse, and coerce confession. And for that dynamic, it cannot be allowed.

Hmm..coercing. A few decades ago they stopped police from hiding behind bill boards, bushes etc etc due to it being entrapment. Could a cop lieing during an interrogation be considered the same also?
 
I was questioned recently about someone I knew (worked with) 3 years ago. Would it have been alright for the police to lie to me?

If that's what it takes to get the Guilty person convicted, definitely.

You realize that close friends and family members of murder victims are often questioned just as a matter of routine, right? You also realize that a guilty person might accuse a completely innocent person while being interrogated, right? There are plenty of situations in which innocent people might be questioned that having nothing to do with "grand stupidity".

I am quite well aware of that. What I'm talking about is being questioned as a suspect, not as a witness. As for being falsely accused by another suspect.... If you are close enough to that person and/or situation to be reasonably suspect you are guilty of grand stupidity so far as I'm concerned.

The problem being that not everyone the police interrogate is guilty of a crime.

True. Many of them are simply guilty of what I call "Grand Stupidity", which is best defined as being stupid enough to be in a place, or know people who might get you involved with the police in the first place.
 
If you are close enough to that person and/or situation to be reasonably suspect you are guilty of grand stupidity so far as I'm concerned.

Your girlfriend is murdered. You are questioned. Tigger is immediately a reasonable suspect. Tigger is grandly stupid?

I'll give you this: You're consistent.
 
True. Many of them are simply guilty of what I call "Grand Stupidity", which is best defined as being stupid enough to be in a place, or know people who might get you involved with the police in the first place.

So its "Grand Stupidity" to know someone that just committed murder without any priors and absolutely no reason to think they would commit such a murder and then try and pin it on you? Seems to me that the only way to avoid such a thing is to be a hermit living by yourself in the mountains with absolutely no ties...and even then someone that saw you might try and pin it on you just to draw attention away from themselves.
 
Why do liberals hate the police so much?

Obviously you understand nothing about political affiliations and position opinions.
Generally, Conservative folks distrust police, and are concerned about strong COTUS individual rights.
Your snarking just makes you look extremely ignorant of politics and critical thinking.
 
Should cops be allowed to lie when interrogating someone for a crime?


Any moron that talks to the Police without their lawyer present deserves what they get? It's simple. You say, "I'm not a lawyer and you are asking legal questions and only a lawyer can answer legal questions. My lawyer speaks legal, I do not." End of questions or no answers required after this statement.
 
Your girlfriend is murdered. You are questioned. Tigger is immediately a reasonable suspect. Tigger is grandly stupid?

I'll give you this: You're consistent.

Consistently nasty and close minded.
 
Another example for Tigger...

What if you just walk into a store to buy some milk and the police pull up just as you see a dead clerk? No chance to call the police on a phone...you're automatically a suspect.
 
Any moron that talks to the Police without their lawyer present deserves what they get? It's simple. You say, "I'm not a lawyer and you are asking legal questions and only a lawyer can answer legal questions. My lawyer speaks legal, I do not." End of questions or no answers required after this statement.

So ignorant or stupid people automatically deserve to be lied to and possibly charged with a crime?
 
I am quite well aware of that. What I'm talking about is being questioned as a suspect, not as a witness. As for being falsely accused by another suspect.... If you are close enough to that person and/or situation to be reasonably suspect you are guilty of grand stupidity so far as I'm concerned.
I'm talking about being questioned as a suspect (or person of interest) as well. It's incredibly easy for an innocent person to be questioned as a suspect or person of interest for reasons other than them being "stupid" such as simply being married to a victim or being an employee of a business. Moreover, the idea that "being close to another suspect" makes one guilty of "grand stupidity" is laughably stupid. Anybody with friends, family and acquaintances could know someone who will be suspected or guilty of a crime and any of those people could falsely accuse us under the right conditions.
 
Any moron that talks to the Police without their lawyer present deserves what they get? It's simple. You say, "I'm not a lawyer and you are asking legal questions and only a lawyer can answer legal questions. My lawyer speaks legal, I do not." End of questions or no answers required after this statement.
I can't imagine speaking to the police without a lawyer, but a lot of people aren't taught that basic knowledge - that doesn't mean 'they deserve what they get.' It means they're ignorant.

Another example for Tigger...

What if you just walk into a store to buy some milk and the police pull up just as you see a dead clerk? No chance to call the police on a phone...you're automatically a suspect.
Another example: You stay late at work to get ahead for the next day and tie up some loose ends. You think you're the only one left in the building, but it turns out the next day that someone else was there and stole money. You're automatically a suspect. Are you stupid for trying to do your job well and being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

There are so many examples of why Tigger is incorrect.
 
So ignorant or stupid people automatically deserve to be lied to and possibly charged with a crime?


You are saying that " ignorant and stupid people automatically " are lied to by the Police. Your strawman has lumps in his underwear.
 
Any moron that talks to the Police without their lawyer present deserves what they get? It's simple. You say, "I'm not a lawyer and you are asking legal questions and only a lawyer can answer legal questions. My lawyer speaks legal, I do not." End of questions or no answers required after this statement.

That's baloney. A myth perpetrated by, guess who?? Lawyers.

If my loved one is killed, I'm going to be questioned. If I've done nothing wrong, you can damned well betcha' I'm going to be answering cops' questions immediately. The so-called 48-hour window isn't a myth. Time is everything in a murder investigation. The faster the cops can rule me out . . . the faster I can give information about my loved one's schedule, enemies, etc., etc., the closer cops can get to finding the perp.

If I had a police record, I would probably feel differently. But the idea that the cops are "out ta' gitcha" is ridiculous. They're out to solve the crime.
 
Hmm..coercing. A few decades ago they stopped police from hiding behind bill boards, bushes etc etc due to it being entrapment. Could a cop lieing during an interrogation be considered the same also?

I think so...more so than hiding behind a billboard (didn't know they couldn't do that, BTW. I wouldn't call that entrapment as it is not active involvement of police). I think lying could easily be seen as such, however, since the attempt is to force the individual through false information and a purposeful environment meant to raise stress and anxiety, thus short circuiting higher thinking, to admit to crime or knowledge of crime. I think that what the police present must be true, or "reasonably true". They can't just make **** up because they want to put the screws to someone in order to obtain a confession.

Also, the DA uses this form of coercion too with charging people with inappropriate crime and giving them a plea down. Even innocent people take the plea because it is often simpler and due to dishonesty in the police and DA, often times innocent people are convicted of crimes. That too should be cracked down on. Plea deals are all fine and good and have appropriate place; but the way they are wielded now is government coercion.
 
I'm talking about being questioned as a suspect (or person of interest) as well. It's incredibly easy for an innocent person to be questioned as a suspect or person of interest for reasons other than them being "stupid" such as simply being married to a victim or being an employee of a business. Moreover, the idea that "being close to another suspect" makes one guilty of "grand stupidity" is laughably stupid. Anybody with friends, family and acquaintances could know someone who will be suspected or guilty of a crime and any of those people could falsely accuse us under the right conditions.

That's why some of us prefer not to have very many friends, and to vete them quite thoroughly before letting them get very close to us in the first place.

Your girlfriend is murdered. You are questioned. Tigger is immediately a reasonable suspect. Tigger is grandly stupid? I'll give you this: You're consistent.

Yep. That's the way it works.

What if you just walk into a store to buy some milk and the police pull up just as you see a dead clerk? No chance to call the police on a phone...you're automatically a suspect.

Yes you are. You're also more than likely in a neighborhood that you never should have been in to begin with.

So its "Grand Stupidity" to know someone that just committed murder without any priors and absolutely no reason to think they would commit such a murder and then try and pin it on you? Seems to me that the only way to avoid such a thing is to be a hermit living by yourself in the mountains with absolutely no ties...and even then someone that saw you might try and pin it on you just to draw attention away from themselves.

That is pretty much the best way to do it. There are ways to at least minimize your chance of being involved with anyone like that while remaining in society, but in the end it pretty much ends up being about the same thing.

Consistently nasty and close minded.

Guilty as Charged. :)

Another example: You stay late at work to get ahead for the next day and tie up some loose ends. You think you're the only one left in the building, but it turns out the next day that someone else was there and stole money. You're automatically a suspect. Are you stupid for trying to do your job well and being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

You're stupid for staying late at work to begin with. You're even stupider for working at a company without proper security and surveilance measures in place.
 
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