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Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw from

Should people on welfare and unemployment have to work for the state they draw from?

  • Absolutel because it gives a return to the state

    Votes: 9 50.0%

  • Hell NO- we have plenty to spare

    Votes: 4 22.2%

  • I'm not sure

    Votes: 4 22.2%

  • I don't care

    Votes: 1 5.6%
  • Total voters
    18
  • Poll closed .
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Why shouldn't they show up every morning at the state garage and pick up trash, do yard work, janitor work and pay back some of the entitlement they draw?
 
Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

Because they are not able to get "real" jobs they should be offered "make work" jobs? Do you realize the level of supervision required to get morons, that are "ordered" to work, to actually do something productive? Also, what do you do with those that you fire (or do not hire) that would otherwise do this work (assuming that it actually needed to be done)?
 
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I think every single person over the age of 18 who is not demonstrably mentally or physically disabled ought to be required to work 6-8 hours every single day in order to qualify for welfare. Unemployment is a bit different since the individual paid into it while working but I don't think they should be able to get more out of the system than they put in, ie. if you paid into unemployment for X weeks, you should only be able to draw unemployment for Y weeks until your fund is empty.
 
Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

As a compromise, maybe they could show up for training in alternate fields, work on their resume, help out with volunteer groups (such as animal shelters), do job searches...etc.
 
Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

People pay for unemployment insurance. You can't just "quit" and get it - your job must be lost.
I have no trouble with it - I claimed it for 6 months or something like that a few years ago myself.

There is not a lot of "welfare" outside of EBT/Foodstamps is there? I guess there are some housing
subsidies, free phones and I know some claim "low income" to get breaks on their utility bills that
we all pay for, but realistically I think EBT/Foodstamps is the real crux of "welfare" today - am I
wrong - I don't follow it.

Food stamps run $28/$33 per week per person in the household. I don't see where making some
one work for the state on that is going to help, but I do think we should teach people to be more
self sustaining instead of just giving them a hand out. I'm learning about aquaponics right now and
am amazed at what they "say" you can produce in such a small space. I think people that get
food stamps should have to repay it when they can.
 
Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

Cephus said:
I think every single person over the age of 18 who is not demonstrably mentally or physically disabled ought to be required to work 6-8 hours every single day in order to qualify for welfare. Unemployment is a bit different since the individual paid into it while working but I don't think they should be able to get more out of the system than they put in, ie. if you paid into unemployment for X weeks, you should only be able to draw unemployment for Y weeks until your fund is empty.
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Then what would the unemployment benefits system do with all the extra money? If someone can only draw less than what they put in, and some people put in but never draw out, you're going to just start piling up money in the sytem.
 
Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

I am all for it if what they do is a net positive for the state. IF it cost more to supervise them than the work they do as someone pointed out above, then no. Not if it is punishment for being on some social program.
 
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Doing so would take jobs from the people that are already doing those things.
 
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Wiseone said:
Then what would the unemployment benefits system do with all the extra money? If someone can only draw less than what they put in, and some people put in but never draw out, you're going to just start piling up money in the sytem.
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Then when you retire, you get all of the money that you put in, plus whatever portion your employer put in, in addition to whatever social security benefits you also paid in. You should never get more than you paid into the system, plus whatever interest has accrued on your investment.
 
Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

It was very difficult in the Nineteenth Century to even get slaves to work, how would you ever get the free loons to do a damn thing today? They'd all show up stoned anyway.
 
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Rocketman said:
Why shouldn't they show up every morning at the state garage and pick up trash, do yard work, janitor work and pay back some of the entitlement they draw?
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because unemployment is insurance that you pay into.

if your house burns down, should you be forced to do clerical work for Allstate in exchange?
 
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Slave reference? I dont get it.
Ray410 said:
It was very difficult in the Nineteenth Century to even get slaves to work, how would you ever get the free loons to do a damn thing today? They'd all show up stoned anyway.
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Helix said:
because unemployment is insurance that you pay into.

if your house burns down, should you be forced to do clerical work for Allstate in exchange?
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Unemployment is designed to go for 26 weeks , no more. What we are doing now is borrowing money to cover it which is wrong. Your comparison is asinine
 
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Rocketman said:
Unemployment is designed to go for 26 weeks , no more. What we are doing now is borrowing money to cover it which is wrong. Your comparison is asinine
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while i'm not for making unemployment last indefinitely, it is still insurance that we pay for in advance. we're better off if people have some time to find a new job in their field.
 
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Cephus said:
Then when you retire, you get all of the money that you put in, plus whatever portion your employer put in, in addition to whatever social security benefits you also paid in. You should never get more than you paid into the system, plus whatever interest has accrued on your investment.
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So I guess you don't understand the difference insurance and investment. If I pay car insurance for 6 months and get hit, I don't get just what I paid in, I get what the policy provides.

I'd be all for having welfare folks go to school, light work or some such but the funding for such programs is never approved. It costs quite a bit to train folks to do whatever job paying a semi-decent wage, plus getting the street cleaners to and from where ever they are to work would most likely overwhelm what few resources are available. I know in small town rural Oklahoma most city work is done by work release inmates. In a road crew of 6 there maybe one city employee, the rest are inmates.
 
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Helix said:
while i'm not for making unemployment last indefinitely, it is still insurance that we pay for in advance. we're better off if people have some time to find a new job in their field.
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If you have been off more than 6 months you aren't looking that hard to begin with
 
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Rocketman said:
If you have been off more than 6 months you aren't looking that hard to begin with
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this is bull****. it took me almost nine months in 2009, and i was working my ass off to find another job in my field. i was lucky to find one that quickly.
 
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Helix said:
while i'm not for making unemployment last indefinitely, it is still insurance that we pay for in advance. we're better off if people have some time to find a new job in their field.
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Yeah but how many years of unemployment until we can just put their ass on welfare and be done with it?
 
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Helix said:
this is bull****. it took me almost nine months in 2009, and i was working my ass off to find another job in my field. i was lucky to find one that quickly.
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Thanks for proving my point "in my field"
 
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Fisher said:
Yeah but how many years of unemployment until we can just put their ass on welfare and be done with it?
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i don't disagree. at some point, it is no longer unemployment insurance. however, it really depends on the job market. when i was unemployed, it wasn't happening in 26 weeks. i'm not sure how it is now.

i don't think that they should keep extending it, though. it's artificial; kind of like extending the payroll tax holiday forever.
 
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Rocketman said:
Thanks for proving my point "in my field"
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Helix said:
while i'm not for making unemployment last indefinitely, it is still insurance that we pay for in advance. we're better off if people have some time to find a new job in their field.
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there is no point in having highly skilled workers doing unskilled jobs during a limited period of time. that throws people out of those jobs who aren't trained to do something else. then you pay welfare for them.
 
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Rocketman said:
If you have been off more than 6 months you aren't looking that hard to begin with
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Where did you come up with that figure, emotions and a gut feeling? Perhaps its coming from the general theme of superiority we get from around here?
 
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Helix said:
there is no point in having highly skilled workers doing unskilled jobs during a limited period of time. that throws people out of those jobs who aren't trained to do something else. then you pay welfare for them.
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Who said anything about unskilled? I have worked 4 different careers tied to industry. Each getting me to the next one but none of them in the exact same field. For instance some one familiar with production planning at one plant could possibly be a quality or facility manager at another.
 
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Wiseone said:
Where did you come up with that figure, emotions and a gut feeling? Perhaps its coming from the general theme of superiority we get from around here?
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Seriously? Who can't find a job in 6 months that pays more than unemployment? Are you really serious?:lamo
 
Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

Rocketman said:
Why shouldn't they show up every morning at the state garage and pick up trash, do yard work, janitor work and pay back some of the entitlement they draw?
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The reason why is because people who are on unemployment benefits usually pay into it when they were employed. That is unemployment benefits are a type of insurance that gets paid to the government so when they do get unemployed they can collect on it while they look for work.

They already earned that money when they were employed. So why should they be forced to work for money that they paid into when they were working?

As for welfare, there are many people who are employed at low wage jobs who do get welfare benefits. Mostly because the low wage jobs they work at don't pay them enough money to live on. So they are on "workfare".

So how about instead of making them work even more hours we instead increase the minimum wage employers are required to pay out so they can afford to just barely survive?
 
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