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Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

Is it unreasonable to pay a little more?

  • Yes. I'm a greedy bastard!! I need MORE!!!

    Votes: 21 27.6%

  • No. There's comes a point in wealthiness where it just doesn't even matter anymore.

    Votes: 48 63.2%

  • I'm not sure.

    Votes: 7 9.2%
  • Total voters
    76
Gipper said:
They're taxed at the individual rate because that's most beneficial to many of them. They could be taxed at a corporate rate if they so choose, but often enough it'd hurt.
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I'd like to see that change. I'd also like to see the US move towards a 0% corporate tax environment. Now THAT would create jobs.
 
Voltaire X said:
I'd like to see that change. I'd also like to see the US move towards a 0% corporate tax environment. Now THAT would create jobs.
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Big business already pays almost nothing in taxes... and you want to reward their tax dodging by removing their tax burden totally.. yea that will work. How about the trillions they get in subsidies.. want to get rid of that too?
 
PeteEU said:
Big business already pays almost nothing in taxes... and you want to reward their tax dodging by removing their tax burden totally.. yea that will work. How about the trillions they get in subsidies.. want to get rid of that too?
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America has the 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world, behind Japan. However, PeteEU has spoken. Therefore, it must be true.

You get terrific internet reception from that rock you're living under.
 
Gipper said:
America has the 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world, behind Japan. However, PeteEU has spoken. Therefore, it must be true.

You get terrific internet reception from that rock you're living under.
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And yet you have one of the lowest tax burdens for corporations in the world. They might have on paper a large tax rate, but in reality these corporations pay very little and their actual burden is under 3%.
 
OscarB63 said:
It is not a matter of "can they", it is a matter of "should they". :shrug:

hell, they could pay 99% in taxes and live like the rest of us, but where then is the incentive to go above and beyond?

my baby bro is a pediatric heart surgeon. do you really think he would have spent 4 years in college, 4 years in medical school, 4 years general surgery residence, 3 years cardio-thorasic residence and 1 year in pediatrics to turn around a pay so much taxes that he gets to keep the same amount of $$$$ that some guy who graduated HS and went straight to work at some factory?
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The guy in the factory ALREADY makes more than any Jr Dr. LOL

education and pay have NOTHING to do with each other in USA.

(having worked in a University for 8 years I saw this every day)
 
274ina said:
The guy in the factory ALREADY makes more than any Jr Dr. LOL

education and pay have NOTHING to do with each other in USA.

(having worked in a University for 8 years I saw this every day)
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so you are perfectly fine with taxing a heart surgeon to the point where his take home pay is the same as your average random HS grad? geez
 
OscarB63 said:
so you are perfectly fine with taxing a heart surgeon to the point where his take home pay is the same as your average random HS grad? geez
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Won't happen. :coffeepap
 
OscarB63 said:
so you are perfectly fine with taxing a heart surgeon to the point where his take home pay is the same as your average random HS grad? geez
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He is still a worker. I am talking about taxing those that DO NOT WORK.

options, dividends, bla bla bla.

Al lthe tools of the idle rich.

Right now they are taxed LESS than those that work. How is that FAIR?
 
274ina said:
He is still a worker. I am talking about taxing those that DO NOT WORK.

options, dividends, bla bla bla.

Al lthe tools of the idle rich.

Right now they are taxed LESS than those that work. How is that FAIR?
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Frankly, if you voted for Obama, I don't want to hear a damn word about taxing those who do not work. Obamacare is essentially a poor tax. With me working tax returns during the tax seasons, I've had to talk many people off the ledge when they worry about how they have to choose between health care they can't afford, or a tax penalty they can't afford.
 
Gipper said:
Frankly, if you voted for Obama, I don't want to hear a damn word about taxing those who do not work. Obamacare is essentially a poor tax. With me working tax returns during the tax seasons, I've had to talk many people off the ledge when they worry about how they have to choose between health care they can't afford, or a tax penalty they can't afford.
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WOW, more lies of the rich respouted.

1: The HC is affordable because it CANT BE MORE than 2% or 4% of pay for 85% of USA. max limit is 8% of pay.


2: If you are poor, you dont have to pay penalty. You get MEDICAID for nothing.
 
PeteEU said:
And yet you have one of the lowest tax burdens for corporations in the world. They might have on paper a large tax rate, but in reality these corporations pay very little and their actual burden is under 3%.
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The only corporations paying that low of a rate are the ones receiving major government subsidies (like GE). I don't support subsidies.

However, most large corporations are paying way more than that.. Walmart paid around 25% in corporate tax last year, and it's one of the largest corporations in the world.
 
274ina said:
You get MEDICAID for nothing.
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for nothing? really? SOMEBODY has to pay for it...I wonder who that could be......

oh wait, I know....it's those evil, greedy, idle rich that you keep bleating about.
 
OscarB63 said:
for nothing? really? SOMEBODY has to pay for it...I wonder who that could be......

oh wait, I know....it's those evil, greedy, idle rich that you keep bleating about.
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Yes, I REALLY REALLY feel sorry for that POINT .9 tax on their $365 MILLION per year income......... (fake tears all over)

and dont worry, the payments mostly come right back to them via thier medicad servicing corp. we dont have Corp free Universal care yet.
 
274ina said:
Yes, I REALLY REALLY feel sorry for that POINT .9 tax on their $365 MILLION per year income......... (fake tears all over)

and dont worry, the payments mostly come right back to them via thier medicad servicing corp. we dont have Corp free Universal care yet.
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typical. for some reason the fleas and ticks always think the dog is being greedy with his blood.
 
274ina said:
WOW, more lies of the rich respouted.

1: The HC is affordable because it CANT BE MORE than 2% or 4% of pay for 85% of USA. max limit is 8% of pay.


2: If you are poor, you dont have to pay penalty. You get MEDICAID for nothing.
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1. Your percentages are way off in the 2/4% claim. Also, that's for the first year. They increase in later years.

2. The cutoff for Medicaid is incredibly low. If you work for near minimum wage for close to full time, you're going to get very little subsidy for your insurance.

Lies of the rich. That claim is the only thing that's rich. If you're trying to get by with a low wage job, you're going to get screwed.
 
Gipper said:
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2. The cutoff for Medicaid is incredibly low. If you work for near minimum wage for close to full time, you're going to get very little subsidy for your insurance.

Lies of the rich. That claim is the only thing that's rich. If you're trying to get by with a low wage job, you're going to get screwed.
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If you are single and 40+ or an empty-nester after that you would definitely be screwed when you hit that stepped up rate adjustment if you are working for minimum wage; If you are 28 and doing it, probably not so much.
 
Voltaire X said:
The only corporations paying that low of a rate are the ones receiving major government subsidies (like GE). I don't support subsidies.

However, most large corporations are paying way more than that.. Walmart paid around 25% in corporate tax last year, and it's one of the largest corporations in the world.
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But but the corporate tax rate is 32% not 25%...... hence Walmart is not paying the full burden. And 25% is low compared to most other countries.
 
PeteEU said:
But but the corporate tax rate is 32% not 25%...... hence Walmart is not paying the full burden. And 25% is low compared to most other countries.
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And most other countries aren't doing very well right now. The US economy isn't exactly at its greatest, but there are very few countries that are doing better comparatively.
 
Gipper said:
1. Your percentages are way off in the 2/4% claim. Also, that's for the first year. They increase in later years.

2. The cutoff for Medicaid is incredibly low. If you work for near minimum wage for close to full time, you're going to get very little subsidy for your insurance.

Lies of the rich. That claim is the only thing that's rich. If you're trying to get by with a low wage job, you're going to get screwed.
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glutten for punishment............

2 and 4% to 8% of pay never change. Read HR 3590

The cut off for medicaid is 133% of poverty, not current ultra low levels. Above that you pay 4% of pay......
133% to 400% of poverty (8% of pay).

And yes we will all get by on a low wage job, with Full HC, its all the bourgeois have to offer in USA...........
 
OscarB63 said:
typical. for some reason the fleas and ticks always think the dog is being greedy with his blood.
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And Loius the 16th said screw the fleas and ticks........LMAO.....guess what happened to him.........
 
PeteEU said:
But but the corporate tax rate is 32% not 25%...... hence Walmart is not paying the full burden. And 25% is low compared to most other countries.
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Here is a nice link from Wiki List of countries by tax rates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia with a pile of useful information. Worth noting that China, Canada and Korea have lower corporate tax rates (a BIT lower, not tax haven low) are all doing extremely well. It is not really accurate to claim that in the long term corporate tax rates determine economic well being (ask Ireland - who DID see a huge boom when they dropped the corp rate to 10% - where I believe it remains for foreign companies). India is the outlier: it has a very low corp tax rate, but you can't easily get money OUT of there - and it's economy is doing extremely well. Yes, the first bar chart in the link left out India and China - 1/2+ of the entire world!!!
 
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Gipper said:
The cutoff for Medicaid is incredibly low. If you work for near minimum wage for close to full time, you're going to get very little subsidy for your insurance.
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Trying not to drift TOO far from the thread topic: this is one part of US politics and policy that leaves me totally baffled - EVERYONE in the developed world has universal sick care coverage. Why in the name of anything reasonable would you deny people such a basic service (the insurance that is) - or worse yet deny it is their "right" ("it" being adequate, basic sick care) ????????? It is one of the economic advantages enjoyed by every one of the US's competitors (except China).

That said, I think it is idiotic to have a minimum wage so low - or conversely government benefits so HIGH - that someone could find themselves able to choose between work and a free ride. And, before anyone thinks that through, I consider adequate sick care a basic right, not a benefit.
 
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